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How come "No More Mr Nice Guy" isn't listed as a single? Although it had other bands from the films soundtrack featuring on the b-side it was still released as a single from Megadeth with solely Megadeth on the front cover. I know as I had it on both 7 inch and 12 inch records. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 ( talk) 16:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I added this release before, and it has been removed. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.121.246 ( talk) 17:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
What exactly is the distinction here? I'm confused. Is there a release-related reason that some of these songs qualify as singles and others do not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.119.236.119 ( talk) 03:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I am keen to see the recent edit war between Retrohead ( talk · contribs) and Lukejordan02 ( talk · contribs) resolved. It's hard to pick out what the actual locus of the dispute is (that's why we like to encourage talk pages instead of just reverting), but from what I can tell the dispute boils down to this :
1) Luke thinks there should only be 10 reviews per album. Retrohead disagrees and states there is no limit.
2) Luke thinks CDs should not include serial numbers (but does not explain why).
Luke has quoted Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style, but that is a dormant proposal, not a policy and guideline. Furthermore, the text of the essay states, "A limit of approximately 10 separate charts is suggested, using any combination of country, component, or competing charts. There is no set inclusion criteria for which charts should and shouldn't be included, but a good rule of thumb is to go by the relative success of the artist on that chart." (emphasis mine)
The article is currently a featured list, which means it has been through a close peer review process to judge it meets a minimum acceptable quality. While Retrohead should not have edit-warred to emphasise this, he makes a valid point that changing the status quo should involve detailed discussion, so the article's quality does not degrade.
Based on these findings, I am backing Retrohead's version of the article. I'm not going to revert back to it just yet, though, as I'd like comments from everyone involved first, so that if I do revert later, I've got the weight of consensus behind me. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:04, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
My personal opinion is that cutting three countries (which are major music markets) is not going to improve the article. All of the countries are properly sourced, and the guideline does not demand 10, but advices that there should be approximately 10→editorial freedom. The other editor has removed the label numbers from the albums (without explanation) and removed a few EPs on the basis that he thinks were not released as EPs.-- Retrohead ( talk) 21:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I never said they aren't needed full stop I said they would be better reserved for the individual albums pages the same as the albums producers and recorded times are only on them and please stop with the personal attacks. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 21:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
For the last time I am ok with keeping the countries alone now and because someone might want to buy a copy of an album isn't a valid reason for keeping them, there is no harm in leaving them in but they make the tables unnecessarily cramped and untidy if anyone wanted to find the catalog numbers they would just have to view that albums article page. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 08:35, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
To summarize, we can keep all of the countries from the previous version. Now let's discuss the remaining issues:
I think this is useful because the reader might want to buy a copy of an album, and it's always helpful to know whether they are available on a CD, vinyl, cassette, etc. Okay, today all records are digitally available, but given due that most of these albums were released in the 1980s and 90s, this is a useful addition.-- Retrohead ( talk) 09:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree both of these can be useful information, but don't think that a discography page is the place to have them, same as track listings and producers. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 09:56, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, if I have confused you, I meant that the info of catalog numbers and formats should be reserved for the individual pages like producers and track listings. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 10:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
It's a free site I can edit where I want as can you, Ritchie is trying to help and I appreciate that but you have an attitude an have personally attacked me multiple times. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 10:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I will drop the "personal attack" accusation when you stop doing them, and if I want it "my way" then you want it "your way" a and "experience" has nothing to do with it as new and old users can make mistakes and poor edits. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 10:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I think the information isn't relevant on the discography and would be better to the page layout to include it on that albums individual page and not on the discographies page. The formats were incomplete in places and the catalog numbers were missing from a number of albums. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 10:50, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Well I don't see the point of the formats being included, Wikipedia doesn't exist to help shoppers but I agree the catalog number is important to have somewhere. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 11:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I am willing to make a compromise and agree to have the catalog numbers put back into the discography page (along with missing ones filled in) if you agree to leave the formats off. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 11:13, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes I will put the catalog numbers back next to the record labels, is that OK? And the formats information was incomplete like certain formats were missing and I don't really think it adds anything to the page. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 11:20, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I will make another compromise with you I will agree to allow the formats back if you allow me to add them and the catalog numbers individually so I can fill in any missing ones. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 11:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes that's what I mean, can I ask you a question were is the best site or place to get catalog numbers from (I don't have the cds at hand) I need the catalog numbers for Thirteen and Super Collider and the latest 3 live albums, I will also add in the formats. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 12:00, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Okay thanks, one more question (sorry to bombard you with questions all of a sudden) I'm going to add the formats what short title do you think should be added for digital download (Compact Disc = CD). Lukejordan02 ( talk) 12:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
What do you mean where did the albums formats disappear? Lukejordan02 ( talk) 12:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh I seem I am adding them back in 1 by 1 like I did with the catalogue numbers so I can add any missing ones. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 12:15, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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How come "No More Mr Nice Guy" isn't listed as a single? Although it had other bands from the films soundtrack featuring on the b-side it was still released as a single from Megadeth with solely Megadeth on the front cover. I know as I had it on both 7 inch and 12 inch records. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.236.213.52 ( talk) 16:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
I added this release before, and it has been removed. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.121.246 ( talk) 17:25, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
What exactly is the distinction here? I'm confused. Is there a release-related reason that some of these songs qualify as singles and others do not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.119.236.119 ( talk) 03:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
I am keen to see the recent edit war between Retrohead ( talk · contribs) and Lukejordan02 ( talk · contribs) resolved. It's hard to pick out what the actual locus of the dispute is (that's why we like to encourage talk pages instead of just reverting), but from what I can tell the dispute boils down to this :
1) Luke thinks there should only be 10 reviews per album. Retrohead disagrees and states there is no limit.
2) Luke thinks CDs should not include serial numbers (but does not explain why).
Luke has quoted Wikipedia:WikiProject Discographies/style, but that is a dormant proposal, not a policy and guideline. Furthermore, the text of the essay states, "A limit of approximately 10 separate charts is suggested, using any combination of country, component, or competing charts. There is no set inclusion criteria for which charts should and shouldn't be included, but a good rule of thumb is to go by the relative success of the artist on that chart." (emphasis mine)
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Based on these findings, I am backing Retrohead's version of the article. I'm not going to revert back to it just yet, though, as I'd like comments from everyone involved first, so that if I do revert later, I've got the weight of consensus behind me. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:04, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
My personal opinion is that cutting three countries (which are major music markets) is not going to improve the article. All of the countries are properly sourced, and the guideline does not demand 10, but advices that there should be approximately 10→editorial freedom. The other editor has removed the label numbers from the albums (without explanation) and removed a few EPs on the basis that he thinks were not released as EPs.-- Retrohead ( talk) 21:27, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I never said they aren't needed full stop I said they would be better reserved for the individual albums pages the same as the albums producers and recorded times are only on them and please stop with the personal attacks. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 21:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
For the last time I am ok with keeping the countries alone now and because someone might want to buy a copy of an album isn't a valid reason for keeping them, there is no harm in leaving them in but they make the tables unnecessarily cramped and untidy if anyone wanted to find the catalog numbers they would just have to view that albums article page. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 08:35, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
To summarize, we can keep all of the countries from the previous version. Now let's discuss the remaining issues:
I think this is useful because the reader might want to buy a copy of an album, and it's always helpful to know whether they are available on a CD, vinyl, cassette, etc. Okay, today all records are digitally available, but given due that most of these albums were released in the 1980s and 90s, this is a useful addition.-- Retrohead ( talk) 09:53, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree both of these can be useful information, but don't think that a discography page is the place to have them, same as track listings and producers. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 09:56, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, if I have confused you, I meant that the info of catalog numbers and formats should be reserved for the individual pages like producers and track listings. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 10:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
It's a free site I can edit where I want as can you, Ritchie is trying to help and I appreciate that but you have an attitude an have personally attacked me multiple times. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 10:19, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I will drop the "personal attack" accusation when you stop doing them, and if I want it "my way" then you want it "your way" a and "experience" has nothing to do with it as new and old users can make mistakes and poor edits. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 10:32, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I think the information isn't relevant on the discography and would be better to the page layout to include it on that albums individual page and not on the discographies page. The formats were incomplete in places and the catalog numbers were missing from a number of albums. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 10:50, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Well I don't see the point of the formats being included, Wikipedia doesn't exist to help shoppers but I agree the catalog number is important to have somewhere. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 11:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I am willing to make a compromise and agree to have the catalog numbers put back into the discography page (along with missing ones filled in) if you agree to leave the formats off. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 11:13, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes I will put the catalog numbers back next to the record labels, is that OK? And the formats information was incomplete like certain formats were missing and I don't really think it adds anything to the page. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 11:20, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I will make another compromise with you I will agree to allow the formats back if you allow me to add them and the catalog numbers individually so I can fill in any missing ones. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 11:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes that's what I mean, can I ask you a question were is the best site or place to get catalog numbers from (I don't have the cds at hand) I need the catalog numbers for Thirteen and Super Collider and the latest 3 live albums, I will also add in the formats. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 12:00, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Okay thanks, one more question (sorry to bombard you with questions all of a sudden) I'm going to add the formats what short title do you think should be added for digital download (Compact Disc = CD). Lukejordan02 ( talk) 12:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
What do you mean where did the albums formats disappear? Lukejordan02 ( talk) 12:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh I seem I am adding them back in 1 by 1 like I did with the catalogue numbers so I can add any missing ones. Lukejordan02 ( talk) 12:15, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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