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I was trying to fix the page since it had a tag at the top and a couple of IP addresses immediately reverted my edits. Not sure if someone wants to look into this. ThaiTee ( talk) 05:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Your edits were promotional in nature, precisely why the article was flagged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:0:ABE7:59B2:7C4E:78B6:FFC0 ( talk) 05:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
This article flagrantly violates NPOV in my opinion as it stands currently. It is obvious the editors have an issue with Meetup's changes. Every comment is framed in a negative manner. Marsman57 ( talk) 20:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi. My name is Kristin Hodgson and I work on the Brand Team at Meetup. I recently posted this on the Neutral Point of View (NPOV) Noticeboard. Kristin hodgson at meetup ( talk) 16:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Please see the very first posting on this talk page, here. Chromedomemalone ( talk) 15:41, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Granted, WP:SEEALSO allows some "common sense" leeway in that regard: "The links in the "See also" section might be only indirectly related to the topic" (emphasis mine). But that doesn't mean that such tangential listcruft must be added at all cost. Competitors are not "relevant" just because they incidentally happen to be in the same branche (otherwise an article like BBC would list 200+ broadcasters in its "See also" section). Suggest to remove these vaguely-related links (of course Wiki-links with a more relevant connection could be retained). Please discuss here to form a consensus. GermanJoe ( talk) 03:53, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that this article had a rather odd listing of Alexa rankings over the years in the infobox. A cursory search found that other articles about websites just list the most current ranking. I tried to remove the extraneous ranks and was reverted. [1] The editor mentioned references within the article, but those aren’t easlily identifiable to me, nor do I think they’re necessary. The whole article has a rather negative slant to it to be honest. Could someone else share some thought to help make sure I’m approaching this correctly? Many thanks. Ckoerner ( talk) 03:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
− Does Wikipedia bother anybody but me in how the entries on companies turn into essentially blurbs for the company, because criticism is automatically controversial and hence not "encyclopedic?" I'm a happy user of meetup who today thought he would like to find some "perspective" on the organization that comes from some source besides Meetup.com. I'm not going to find it here. I also think there is a tendency to overstate companies' place in the marketplace, because the critics of such as meetup.com are not motivated to do research and write it here. But of course the principals or employees of meetup.com are so motivated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.164.52 ( talk) 20:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1007:B02F:9457:59B5:B04F:746A:4FB0 ( talk)
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I'm requesting that someone remove the uncited text, specifically: “lacking the funds necessary to compete against rising competition.”
I cannot find anything in the cited source [2] to support this: “lacking the funds necessary to compete against rising competition.” Kristin hodgson at meetup ( talk) 12:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Approved The COI editor is correct in that the presently worded claim statement mischaracterizes the need of the company for cash as a sole reason for the sale (along with declining usage) by stating the company "lacked funds necessary to stay independent." The cited source states:
This past summer, he began speaking to investors to raise money. In light of the urgent need for Meetups, he explained, he endeavored to grow Meetup to a billion members. Pronto. Investment opportunities gave way to multiple acquisition offers from what Heiferman calls 'the usual suspects' — and an invitation to meet from an unusual suspect: Neumann. Over a month of meetings that included a late-night ramble through Manhattan, they hit upon a strategy that would allow Meetup to remain independent, just as Instagram had at Facebook, or Waze had at Google, while benefitting from WeWork’s cash, resources, space, and ambition.
The article states that funding was part and parcel of an overall state of affairs inherent to the rubric of free-market economies, whereby competition is a necessary component and where institutional demands, based in part on access to funds, vary from year to year (i.e., Facebook re-doubling efforts to focus in the same area as the subject company) and can be cumulative (as demonstrated by the many sources cited regarding the company's decline in users over time). The claim statement mentioning only a lack of funds implies that this was the sole component leading to the sale. Notwithstanding the fact that any sale of a business involves a need for access to funds (on the part of both seller and buyer) making special effort to mention this detail seems to limit the breadth of the information originating from the cited source. Unless the article wishes to elaborate upon every salient reason why the sale was conducted, including only one reason and not the others seems arbitrarily restrictive. The company's lack of users seems sufficient enough reason to be given here, (considering its numerous references).
WP:IMPARTIAL states that "Even where a topic is presented in terms of facts rather than opinions, inappropriate tone can be introduced through the way in which facts are selected, presented, or organized." By hammering home the point that the company lacked funds, the article strays into an arena of impartiality, by implying that not having large amounts of cash on hand during a time of reduced user numbers represents some sort of moral failure on the part of the company - since the previous version of wording from the Wikipedia article did not include information given in that same source that the company's leadership attempted to prevent this from happening. For these reasons, I believe that the eventuality of losing money in situations where users decline is a given, and that the lack of funds need not be additionally mentioned after already stating the "decline in usage". Stating that the company ran out users and ran out of money appears to double the size of the company's missteps, when it may be more accurate to describe the company's loss of users as one misstep with many different consequences - the loss of investment funds being only one of them. Characterizing it as two mistakes instead of one seems to be unnecessarily critical of the company (even if unintentionally so). The claim was thus omitted. spintendo 16:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I realize the source mentions a 200 million figure in the headline, but headlines simplify out of context. They are usually not reliable article content. The main article clearly includes a disclaimer that this value is not a verifiable fact. The anonymous source does not verify the company's price for a specific buyer in a specific situation by the way, but estimates its general value for a potential buyer. In short: such values are little more than rumors and can't be taken as actual price tags, unless they can be verified by an acknowledged expert as a qualified estimate or the company itself as publicly announced information. GermanJoe ( talk) 14:59, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I have prepared a draft of proposed new content for the Meetup page. I hope this is a starting point for a more comprehensive article with proper sourcing. The current Meetup article is incomplete and has random information without a historical narrative. I hope some independent editors will take the time to review and provide feedback, or consider it as a replacement. You'll notice this is a warts-and-all draft that includes both Meetup's successes, and the more challenging moments in the company's history. I've made every effort to be neutral and objective when preparing this. Kristin hodgson at meetup ( talk) 13:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
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I was trying to fix the page since it had a tag at the top and a couple of IP addresses immediately reverted my edits. Not sure if someone wants to look into this. ThaiTee ( talk) 05:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Your edits were promotional in nature, precisely why the article was flagged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:243:0:ABE7:59B2:7C4E:78B6:FFC0 ( talk) 05:35, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
This article flagrantly violates NPOV in my opinion as it stands currently. It is obvious the editors have an issue with Meetup's changes. Every comment is framed in a negative manner. Marsman57 ( talk) 20:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi. My name is Kristin Hodgson and I work on the Brand Team at Meetup. I recently posted this on the Neutral Point of View (NPOV) Noticeboard. Kristin hodgson at meetup ( talk) 16:17, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Please see the very first posting on this talk page, here. Chromedomemalone ( talk) 15:41, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Granted, WP:SEEALSO allows some "common sense" leeway in that regard: "The links in the "See also" section might be only indirectly related to the topic" (emphasis mine). But that doesn't mean that such tangential listcruft must be added at all cost. Competitors are not "relevant" just because they incidentally happen to be in the same branche (otherwise an article like BBC would list 200+ broadcasters in its "See also" section). Suggest to remove these vaguely-related links (of course Wiki-links with a more relevant connection could be retained). Please discuss here to form a consensus. GermanJoe ( talk) 03:53, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that this article had a rather odd listing of Alexa rankings over the years in the infobox. A cursory search found that other articles about websites just list the most current ranking. I tried to remove the extraneous ranks and was reverted. [1] The editor mentioned references within the article, but those aren’t easlily identifiable to me, nor do I think they’re necessary. The whole article has a rather negative slant to it to be honest. Could someone else share some thought to help make sure I’m approaching this correctly? Many thanks. Ckoerner ( talk) 03:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
− Does Wikipedia bother anybody but me in how the entries on companies turn into essentially blurbs for the company, because criticism is automatically controversial and hence not "encyclopedic?" I'm a happy user of meetup who today thought he would like to find some "perspective" on the organization that comes from some source besides Meetup.com. I'm not going to find it here. I also think there is a tendency to overstate companies' place in the marketplace, because the critics of such as meetup.com are not motivated to do research and write it here. But of course the principals or employees of meetup.com are so motivated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.190.164.52 ( talk) 20:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1007:B02F:9457:59B5:B04F:746A:4FB0 ( talk)
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I'm requesting that someone remove the uncited text, specifically: “lacking the funds necessary to compete against rising competition.”
I cannot find anything in the cited source [2] to support this: “lacking the funds necessary to compete against rising competition.” Kristin hodgson at meetup ( talk) 12:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
Approved The COI editor is correct in that the presently worded claim statement mischaracterizes the need of the company for cash as a sole reason for the sale (along with declining usage) by stating the company "lacked funds necessary to stay independent." The cited source states:
This past summer, he began speaking to investors to raise money. In light of the urgent need for Meetups, he explained, he endeavored to grow Meetup to a billion members. Pronto. Investment opportunities gave way to multiple acquisition offers from what Heiferman calls 'the usual suspects' — and an invitation to meet from an unusual suspect: Neumann. Over a month of meetings that included a late-night ramble through Manhattan, they hit upon a strategy that would allow Meetup to remain independent, just as Instagram had at Facebook, or Waze had at Google, while benefitting from WeWork’s cash, resources, space, and ambition.
The article states that funding was part and parcel of an overall state of affairs inherent to the rubric of free-market economies, whereby competition is a necessary component and where institutional demands, based in part on access to funds, vary from year to year (i.e., Facebook re-doubling efforts to focus in the same area as the subject company) and can be cumulative (as demonstrated by the many sources cited regarding the company's decline in users over time). The claim statement mentioning only a lack of funds implies that this was the sole component leading to the sale. Notwithstanding the fact that any sale of a business involves a need for access to funds (on the part of both seller and buyer) making special effort to mention this detail seems to limit the breadth of the information originating from the cited source. Unless the article wishes to elaborate upon every salient reason why the sale was conducted, including only one reason and not the others seems arbitrarily restrictive. The company's lack of users seems sufficient enough reason to be given here, (considering its numerous references).
WP:IMPARTIAL states that "Even where a topic is presented in terms of facts rather than opinions, inappropriate tone can be introduced through the way in which facts are selected, presented, or organized." By hammering home the point that the company lacked funds, the article strays into an arena of impartiality, by implying that not having large amounts of cash on hand during a time of reduced user numbers represents some sort of moral failure on the part of the company - since the previous version of wording from the Wikipedia article did not include information given in that same source that the company's leadership attempted to prevent this from happening. For these reasons, I believe that the eventuality of losing money in situations where users decline is a given, and that the lack of funds need not be additionally mentioned after already stating the "decline in usage". Stating that the company ran out users and ran out of money appears to double the size of the company's missteps, when it may be more accurate to describe the company's loss of users as one misstep with many different consequences - the loss of investment funds being only one of them. Characterizing it as two mistakes instead of one seems to be unnecessarily critical of the company (even if unintentionally so). The claim was thus omitted. spintendo 16:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
I realize the source mentions a 200 million figure in the headline, but headlines simplify out of context. They are usually not reliable article content. The main article clearly includes a disclaimer that this value is not a verifiable fact. The anonymous source does not verify the company's price for a specific buyer in a specific situation by the way, but estimates its general value for a potential buyer. In short: such values are little more than rumors and can't be taken as actual price tags, unless they can be verified by an acknowledged expert as a qualified estimate or the company itself as publicly announced information. GermanJoe ( talk) 14:59, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello, I have prepared a draft of proposed new content for the Meetup page. I hope this is a starting point for a more comprehensive article with proper sourcing. The current Meetup article is incomplete and has random information without a historical narrative. I hope some independent editors will take the time to review and provide feedback, or consider it as a replacement. You'll notice this is a warts-and-all draft that includes both Meetup's successes, and the more challenging moments in the company's history. I've made every effort to be neutral and objective when preparing this. Kristin hodgson at meetup ( talk) 13:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)