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I have copied Bishops' House back into the Meersbrook article since the house is geographically in Meersbrook but have not removed it from the Norton Lees article since the boundaries are somewhat blurry. I would like to see Lees House and Cliffefield House both kept in the Meersbrook article for the same reasons. It may have a small amount of data duplicated but at least it is accurate.
Captain Scarlet 22:50 25 March 2006 (GMT)
Coord
I would prefer to follow the advice given by Andy Mabbett on
Template talk:Coor title dms - namely "Please see {{Coord}}, which is intended, after testing, to replace the coor family of templates. These will then be substituted, throughout Wikipedia, by bot. All functionality is retained."
Let the testing continue, let there be the usual process, let the bot do its work.
"I count on Andy's support here, naturally." When I need to speak for me, I'll ask someone capable of doing so. I prefer to use {{coord}}, for its additional benefits. No further testing is required, over 20,000 articles are already using coord, I'm told, with no extant bug reports.
Andy Mabbett18:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)reply
The inferior coord has been replaced as per this conversation. Comments on this talk page tend to agree on the continued use of the excellent coor title dms, since there is no convention to use either, it is a satisfactory agreement.
Captain Scarletand the Mysterons15:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)reply
I'm making the claim so it is not bogus. You fail to show why you are right and I so wrong. My behaviour has been raised by Adambro so it can hardly be taken seriously, your behaviour in this matter hasn't bene raised because it is very little to do so. focus your energies on content not bickering and maybe you won't be reverted so often.
Captain Scarletand the Mysterons22:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)reply
By my count, myself, Captain scarlet and Pc1dmn want to use {{coor}}, and only you want {{coord}} Pigsonthewing, so I have restored the former - do not claim concensus in edit summaries
[1] where it does not exist.
L.J.Skinnerwot|
I did22:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)reply
The edit summary you cite says "restore coord template, per talk". Where do you think I have claimed consensus? Where is there consensus to support your revert, and which claim, in your edit summary ("by my count on the talk page, myself, Captain scarlet and Pc1dmn want to use {{coor}}, and only Pigsonthewing wants to use {{coord}}, so Pigsonthewing's claim is bogus)") do you think was bogus? What are your reasons for preferring coor over coord?
Andy Mabbett10:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
Yes, you restored {{coord}}, and claimed it was "per talk". Show me where. I do not have to explain why I think {{coor}} is better - I have stated that I do, and there are three opinions in favour of {{coor}}, and only you in favour of {{coord}}. So, until the compatability issues with google are ironed out and consensus is agreed by the wikipedia community to replace the coor family with coord, I think coor can and should remain. Pc1dmn is actually trying to help you Pigsonthewing. When and if consensus is agreed to use {{coord}}, a bot will do all the work for you! So in the meantime, why not add content to article rather than engaging in petty revert wars over something which you will probably get your way on in a matter of time anyway.
Incidentally, I note that
WP:3RR states: Editors may still be
blocked even if they have not made more than three reverts in any given 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive. Given that you have a one revert-per week parole, I do not think that simply waiting 1 week, 4 hours and 33 minutes before making the same revert
[2] can be construed as constructive. Be very careful - the ice is thin.
L.J.Skinnerwot|
I did11:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
"I do not have to explain why I think {{coor}} is better" - noted; as is your failure to answer my other questions. "Compatability issues" (sic) with Google have been ironed out - they have stated that they are content for us to use {{coord}}.
Andy Mabbett11:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
Well noted! Please show me where it states "an editor must state why they think their template/fact/etc is better". Also, please show where you have explained why {{coord}} is better, and explain why a 3:1 consensus is not good enough for you. Remember, we need to discuss decisions, not engage in revert warring.
L.J.Skinnerwot|
I did11:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
You know full well that I have explained the benefits of {{[[Template:coord{|coord{]]}} to you previously. 3:1 is not a consensus. I note that you still fail to answer my earlier questions.
Andy Mabbett12:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
I do not know of any advantages. I know it contains a microformat, which I fail to see as helpful, but you are willing to try to convince me otherwise rather than reverting and
insulting. To answer your question; You effectively claimed consensus (without using so many words) by quoting the talk page as back-up to your revert when there was nobody on the talk page supporting the revert - hence bogus. Now, will you come back to me on the page which say I must justify my decision, and why you feel that
gaming your parole is acceptable. If you cannot, this will be the last you hear from me on the matter until sometime after 20:10 on 18th June when you will doubtless re-revert with a
WP:POINTed edit.
L.J.Skinnerwot|
I did14:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
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Meersbrook is within the scope of WikiProject Yorkshire, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to
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I have copied Bishops' House back into the Meersbrook article since the house is geographically in Meersbrook but have not removed it from the Norton Lees article since the boundaries are somewhat blurry. I would like to see Lees House and Cliffefield House both kept in the Meersbrook article for the same reasons. It may have a small amount of data duplicated but at least it is accurate.
Captain Scarlet 22:50 25 March 2006 (GMT)
Coord
I would prefer to follow the advice given by Andy Mabbett on
Template talk:Coor title dms - namely "Please see {{Coord}}, which is intended, after testing, to replace the coor family of templates. These will then be substituted, throughout Wikipedia, by bot. All functionality is retained."
Let the testing continue, let there be the usual process, let the bot do its work.
"I count on Andy's support here, naturally." When I need to speak for me, I'll ask someone capable of doing so. I prefer to use {{coord}}, for its additional benefits. No further testing is required, over 20,000 articles are already using coord, I'm told, with no extant bug reports.
Andy Mabbett18:18, 22 May 2007 (UTC)reply
The inferior coord has been replaced as per this conversation. Comments on this talk page tend to agree on the continued use of the excellent coor title dms, since there is no convention to use either, it is a satisfactory agreement.
Captain Scarletand the Mysterons15:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)reply
I'm making the claim so it is not bogus. You fail to show why you are right and I so wrong. My behaviour has been raised by Adambro so it can hardly be taken seriously, your behaviour in this matter hasn't bene raised because it is very little to do so. focus your energies on content not bickering and maybe you won't be reverted so often.
Captain Scarletand the Mysterons22:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)reply
By my count, myself, Captain scarlet and Pc1dmn want to use {{coor}}, and only you want {{coord}} Pigsonthewing, so I have restored the former - do not claim concensus in edit summaries
[1] where it does not exist.
L.J.Skinnerwot|
I did22:22, 11 June 2007 (UTC)reply
The edit summary you cite says "restore coord template, per talk". Where do you think I have claimed consensus? Where is there consensus to support your revert, and which claim, in your edit summary ("by my count on the talk page, myself, Captain scarlet and Pc1dmn want to use {{coor}}, and only Pigsonthewing wants to use {{coord}}, so Pigsonthewing's claim is bogus)") do you think was bogus? What are your reasons for preferring coor over coord?
Andy Mabbett10:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
Yes, you restored {{coord}}, and claimed it was "per talk". Show me where. I do not have to explain why I think {{coor}} is better - I have stated that I do, and there are three opinions in favour of {{coor}}, and only you in favour of {{coord}}. So, until the compatability issues with google are ironed out and consensus is agreed by the wikipedia community to replace the coor family with coord, I think coor can and should remain. Pc1dmn is actually trying to help you Pigsonthewing. When and if consensus is agreed to use {{coord}}, a bot will do all the work for you! So in the meantime, why not add content to article rather than engaging in petty revert wars over something which you will probably get your way on in a matter of time anyway.
Incidentally, I note that
WP:3RR states: Editors may still be
blocked even if they have not made more than three reverts in any given 24 hour period, if their behavior is clearly disruptive. Given that you have a one revert-per week parole, I do not think that simply waiting 1 week, 4 hours and 33 minutes before making the same revert
[2] can be construed as constructive. Be very careful - the ice is thin.
L.J.Skinnerwot|
I did11:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
"I do not have to explain why I think {{coor}} is better" - noted; as is your failure to answer my other questions. "Compatability issues" (sic) with Google have been ironed out - they have stated that they are content for us to use {{coord}}.
Andy Mabbett11:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
Well noted! Please show me where it states "an editor must state why they think their template/fact/etc is better". Also, please show where you have explained why {{coord}} is better, and explain why a 3:1 consensus is not good enough for you. Remember, we need to discuss decisions, not engage in revert warring.
L.J.Skinnerwot|
I did11:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
You know full well that I have explained the benefits of {{[[Template:coord{|coord{]]}} to you previously. 3:1 is not a consensus. I note that you still fail to answer my earlier questions.
Andy Mabbett12:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply
I do not know of any advantages. I know it contains a microformat, which I fail to see as helpful, but you are willing to try to convince me otherwise rather than reverting and
insulting. To answer your question; You effectively claimed consensus (without using so many words) by quoting the talk page as back-up to your revert when there was nobody on the talk page supporting the revert - hence bogus. Now, will you come back to me on the page which say I must justify my decision, and why you feel that
gaming your parole is acceptable. If you cannot, this will be the last you hear from me on the matter until sometime after 20:10 on 18th June when you will doubtless re-revert with a
WP:POINTed edit.
L.J.Skinnerwot|
I did14:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)reply