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(moved talk from Talk:History of Croatia)
Hi, completely disinterested party here. Saw a request for copy editing on the Pages Needing Attention screen.
To me, as a casual reader, I find this para unclear:
"Medieval Croatian kingdom reached its peak during the reign of king Petar Krešimir IV (1058-1074) when it was composed of twelve counties and was slightly larger than in Tomislav's time, also including the four southern Dalmatian duchies (Pagania, Zahumlje, Travunia and Duklja)."
What I find ambiguous is:
Thanks for listening. -- bodnotbod 14:50, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)
His country did not include Pagania, Zachlumia, Travunia and Duklja. As far as I recall, those lands were not a part of Croatia until the XX century (I believe 1939, right?) HolyRomanEmperor 14:42, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
With the exception of Pagania and Northwestern Zachlumia which passed to Hungarian Croatia and remained there until the bosnian conquest. HolyRomanEmperor 14:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Medieval Croatian state (until 1102)- It should be written Croats and Serbs or only Slavs. In that period of time nobody mentioned Croats. Serbs were mentioned by Einchardt in 822, but Croats are mentioned after 850. It is not accurate and not historically correct to mention only Croats. It is not article about Croats.
About Tomislav map: Tomislav map is disputed as it is said before by important Croatian scientiscts (Nada Klaic and Ivo Goldstein). Nada Klaic book is still used for students of history as textbook.Goldstein states that much around Tomislav is fictional and specially borders. Therefire plaese take into account disputes. We must mention it at least. I added that link so that you could see that one of the best medivial scientists in Croatia disputed Tomislav extensions.-- Medule 13:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Note to anyone not familiar with this discussion: see Talk:History of Croatia and Talk:Croatia, where Medule is also (unsuccessfully) trying to push the same agenda. -- Zmaj 13:49, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
-- Medule 13:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
It is possible that Croats were not demographically present in Bosnia, a t that time a little region between rivers Rama and Drina, but the power of Croatian kings did extent there. Even from the times of Croatian dukes.
The book, or work clearly says that the Croats were invited to defeat the Avars, not the Serbs. The Serbs came later and aasked for land. This is clearly stated in the book.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what it says on the Tanais stone is XOΡOAΘOΣ, Choroathos, and not "Horoathos". 89.138.96.83 17:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes and god knows what that means, but the croat nationalists will interpret that to their own liking. This is just like when nazis went out to find their roots in india.
Actually the Croat Nationals have it correct. Choroathos is the Roman translation for Croatia. Just do a little research before you make an uneducated statement. Also the Zoroastar holy book " Avesta", mentions Croatians about 500 BC. Serbians are the same stock as the Saxons. Again ----Do your homework.
Medule, thee Serbs may or may not have been invited by the Byzantine emperor along with the Croats. Either way, it is not relevant nor belongs in an article on the coming of the Croats & the medieval Croat kingdom. Hence the revert. iruka 05:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It is known that Serbs have been invited at same time. Also they formed Pagania and other states inside border of todays Croatia.-- Medule 01:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Why is there not map? there are plenty out there...
"The lack of common genetic lineage markers with modern-day populations that descend from the ancient Persians makes a Persian origin unlikely."
Isn't this quote a direct contradiction to the first line? And also there's no citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.60.209 ( talk) 12:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Against merger Both topics too large for a merge. Dromadar ( talk) 00:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
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(moved talk from Talk:History of Croatia)
Hi, completely disinterested party here. Saw a request for copy editing on the Pages Needing Attention screen.
To me, as a casual reader, I find this para unclear:
"Medieval Croatian kingdom reached its peak during the reign of king Petar Krešimir IV (1058-1074) when it was composed of twelve counties and was slightly larger than in Tomislav's time, also including the four southern Dalmatian duchies (Pagania, Zahumlje, Travunia and Duklja)."
What I find ambiguous is:
Thanks for listening. -- bodnotbod 14:50, Apr 30, 2004 (UTC)
His country did not include Pagania, Zachlumia, Travunia and Duklja. As far as I recall, those lands were not a part of Croatia until the XX century (I believe 1939, right?) HolyRomanEmperor 14:42, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
With the exception of Pagania and Northwestern Zachlumia which passed to Hungarian Croatia and remained there until the bosnian conquest. HolyRomanEmperor 14:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Medieval Croatian state (until 1102)- It should be written Croats and Serbs or only Slavs. In that period of time nobody mentioned Croats. Serbs were mentioned by Einchardt in 822, but Croats are mentioned after 850. It is not accurate and not historically correct to mention only Croats. It is not article about Croats.
About Tomislav map: Tomislav map is disputed as it is said before by important Croatian scientiscts (Nada Klaic and Ivo Goldstein). Nada Klaic book is still used for students of history as textbook.Goldstein states that much around Tomislav is fictional and specially borders. Therefire plaese take into account disputes. We must mention it at least. I added that link so that you could see that one of the best medivial scientists in Croatia disputed Tomislav extensions.-- Medule 13:14, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
Note to anyone not familiar with this discussion: see Talk:History of Croatia and Talk:Croatia, where Medule is also (unsuccessfully) trying to push the same agenda. -- Zmaj 13:49, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
-- Medule 13:54, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
It is possible that Croats were not demographically present in Bosnia, a t that time a little region between rivers Rama and Drina, but the power of Croatian kings did extent there. Even from the times of Croatian dukes.
The book, or work clearly says that the Croats were invited to defeat the Avars, not the Serbs. The Serbs came later and aasked for land. This is clearly stated in the book.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what it says on the Tanais stone is XOΡOAΘOΣ, Choroathos, and not "Horoathos". 89.138.96.83 17:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes and god knows what that means, but the croat nationalists will interpret that to their own liking. This is just like when nazis went out to find their roots in india.
Actually the Croat Nationals have it correct. Choroathos is the Roman translation for Croatia. Just do a little research before you make an uneducated statement. Also the Zoroastar holy book " Avesta", mentions Croatians about 500 BC. Serbians are the same stock as the Saxons. Again ----Do your homework.
Medule, thee Serbs may or may not have been invited by the Byzantine emperor along with the Croats. Either way, it is not relevant nor belongs in an article on the coming of the Croats & the medieval Croat kingdom. Hence the revert. iruka 05:35, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
It is known that Serbs have been invited at same time. Also they formed Pagania and other states inside border of todays Croatia.-- Medule 01:06, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Why is there not map? there are plenty out there...
"The lack of common genetic lineage markers with modern-day populations that descend from the ancient Persians makes a Persian origin unlikely."
Isn't this quote a direct contradiction to the first line? And also there's no citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.190.60.209 ( talk) 12:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Against merger Both topics too large for a merge. Dromadar ( talk) 00:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC)