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I hoped this is would be a big problem, but still...
In our countries we undernsatnd the nacionalnost as large majority of English people understands ethnicity. When a Muslim says "I'm a Serb by nationality", believe me, he doesn't mean he has a Serbian citizenship. Selimović is known for his declaring as Serb, similiar as Andrić. Another problem is that there were no Bosniaks when Selimović was born, it is 99% possibility that his parents where either, Serbs or Croats. It would be an easy explanation if Selimović was someone like Mehmed Spaho who really believed that Bosnian Muslims are a separate group with special intrests, but Selimović wasn't like Spaho. He was a Serb, according to his own words. You are making problem where we shouldn't have one. I hope we resolve this on talk page. -- Wüstenfuchs 23:23, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Nothing you're saying makes sense -- Bosniaks have been in existence just as long as Serbs and Croats have (over a thousand years; dating back to the 10th century). Paganism turned into Christianity/Catholicism, then into Islam under Ottoman rule. The quote, ""I come from a Muslim family in Bosnia, and I am a Serb by NATIONALITY," is translated. You can change your nationality, but not your ethnicity. He was ethnically a Bosniak. "I come from a MUSLIM family in BOSNIA..." -- one could argue that he was stating that he was a BOSNIAN MUSLIM... am I wrong? -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 23:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
I provided six sources (there are many more if you'd like for me to add them on here), where is stated in black and white that he was a BOSNIAN MUSLIM. You provided a source -- written by a SERB (nationalist). Serbs have a history of trying to Serb-ify/Croat-ify Bosniaks -- as do you here on Wikipedia. Mesa Selimovic was a Bosniak. the end. -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 00:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps we should bring a third party into this discussion. Somebody who isn't form Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia; etc. -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 00:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
And I disagree with you. He was a Bosniak -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 00:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
<3 you whitewriter -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 01:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I gave six I think, reliable sources -- but they were reverted. Wustenfuchs has been edit warring with multiple users. -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 23:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
Explain to me how the two links you provided are -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 00:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
YOURS are the ones that show no page; mine were six google-book references -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 01:25, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
@re DemirBajraktarevic - "I gave six I think, reliable sources" - Could you do me a favor and just list those sources. Let me take a look at them. If they show that "Selimović unambiguously claims to be a member" of either group here, I'll weigh in in your favor. NickCT ( talk) 16:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
They are all in this revision in the infobox next to "Bosniak": http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Me%C5%A1a_Selimovi%C4%87&oldid=522901777 -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 16:56, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Which one? -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 19:09, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
I hoped this is would be a big problem, but still...
In our countries we undernsatnd the nacionalnost as large majority of English people understands ethnicity. When a Muslim says "I'm a Serb by nationality", believe me, he doesn't mean he has a Serbian citizenship. Selimović is known for his declaring as Serb, similiar as Andrić. Another problem is that there were no Bosniaks when Selimović was born, it is 99% possibility that his parents where either, Serbs or Croats. It would be an easy explanation if Selimović was someone like Mehmed Spaho who really believed that Bosnian Muslims are a separate group with special intrests, but Selimović wasn't like Spaho. He was a Serb, according to his own words. You are making problem where we shouldn't have one. I hope we resolve this on talk page. -- Wüstenfuchs 23:23, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Nothing you're saying makes sense -- Bosniaks have been in existence just as long as Serbs and Croats have (over a thousand years; dating back to the 10th century). Paganism turned into Christianity/Catholicism, then into Islam under Ottoman rule. The quote, ""I come from a Muslim family in Bosnia, and I am a Serb by NATIONALITY," is translated. You can change your nationality, but not your ethnicity. He was ethnically a Bosniak. "I come from a MUSLIM family in BOSNIA..." -- one could argue that he was stating that he was a BOSNIAN MUSLIM... am I wrong? -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 23:55, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
I provided six sources (there are many more if you'd like for me to add them on here), where is stated in black and white that he was a BOSNIAN MUSLIM. You provided a source -- written by a SERB (nationalist). Serbs have a history of trying to Serb-ify/Croat-ify Bosniaks -- as do you here on Wikipedia. Mesa Selimovic was a Bosniak. the end. -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 00:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps we should bring a third party into this discussion. Somebody who isn't form Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia; etc. -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 00:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
And I disagree with you. He was a Bosniak -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 00:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
<3 you whitewriter -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 01:14, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
I gave six I think, reliable sources -- but they were reverted. Wustenfuchs has been edit warring with multiple users. -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 23:41, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
Explain to me how the two links you provided are -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 00:58, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
YOURS are the ones that show no page; mine were six google-book references -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 01:25, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
@re DemirBajraktarevic - "I gave six I think, reliable sources" - Could you do me a favor and just list those sources. Let me take a look at them. If they show that "Selimović unambiguously claims to be a member" of either group here, I'll weigh in in your favor. NickCT ( talk) 16:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
They are all in this revision in the infobox next to "Bosniak": http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Me%C5%A1a_Selimovi%C4%87&oldid=522901777 -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 16:56, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Which one? -- DemirBajraktarevic ( talk) 19:09, 26 November 2012 (UTC)