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The F1 is not a predecessor to the MP4-12C, The F1 sucessor is coming down in 2014 so I'm gonna remove that from the infobox.
[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.153.194.28 ( talk) 21:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I have seen rumours that Mahle or Cosworth (which is owned by Mahle) is involved in the engine design and manufacture. Has anybody seen (more) authoritative information about that ?
[2] [3] Rps ( talk) 13:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
We need to get pictures in here. I contacted McLaren and got this response: "I am afraid that I can only authorise use of official images with official information produced by McLaren Automotive. So in this case I am unable to help with your request." Unfortunate, but we still need to get pictures. Stanislao Avogadro ( talk) 22:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
The car is planned for released in 2011, and so is not yet in manufacture —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.200.122 ( talk) 08:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC) How can Wiki list this car and some other Top Gear fastest lap cars..and not mention price? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.116.55 ( talk) 21:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Ricardo plc is credited with design and build input on engine/gearbox? Can anybody say where the engines will be manufactured? The Ricardo page is not giving credit where due? Rupertlt ( talk) 15:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
While I realise there is a marketing/fanboi imperative to claim everything is F1 inspired, in fact using the brakes to improve cornering has been a standard feature of some road cars for many years. By no means the first to use it was the 2004 Ford Territory. Of course fiddle brakes have been around on tractors for much longer than that. Honda at least used diff vectoring as well, but I don't remember when. Greglocock ( talk) 23:38, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Since there already is a separate (if short) article on the M838T engine, I'm cleaning up the engine section and putting a redirect to that article. D3v4st4t0r ( talk) 15:22, 5 May, 2011 (UTC)
I removed the accusations against Ferrari as they're not founded, even the one who started it all, Chris Harris from EVO magazine has called out that what he meant was not that Ferrari took heavily modified cars to tests. The reason of the discrepancies of the performance of the MP4 is due to McLaren not bringing properly broken in test cars with only 3,000km on the odometer that were incredibly off of manufacturer claims; recent test from German Magazines, Sport Auto and Autozeitung are employing different test cars with over 10,000km which have already matched and exceeded McLaren claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.153.31.95 ( talk) 20:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
two different weight for the car are given "he MP4-12C weighs 1,301 kg (2,868 lb) dry"
and 3,082 71.66.104.62 ( talk) 23:15, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
bodywork
dimensions & weights
engine
Ref 17 shows a complete road test and drag racing review with video and timeslips showing the MP4's performance: http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/mclaren-mp4-12c-runs-10-55-134-56-mph-drag-racing-14-mile-quickest-production-car-behind-the-veyron
The source is valid and has been referenced by other auto news sources, autoblog, jalopnik, top gear, autospies, worldcarfans, topspeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.106.164.23 ( talk) 20:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Seems like you refuse to read and view the videos along with timeslips. How are you refuting video and timeslip data shown? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.225.146 ( talk) 00:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Road and Track referencing the article: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-videos/racing-videos/the-mclaren-mp4-12c-on-a-drag-strip — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.225.146 ( talk) 00:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Autoweek referencing a review done by DragTimes: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130129/green/130129782
Huff Post news story referencing a review done by DragTimes http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/entertainment/electric-tesla-car-smokes-dodge-viper-in-drag-race-517656001
Motor Trend using DragTimes as a reference: http://wot.motortrend.com/watch-a-tesla-model-s-smoke-a-2005-dodge-viper-srt10-at-the-drag-strip-321619.html
Engadget Referencing DragTimes http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/28/tesla-model-s-fastest-production-ev/
NEDRA (National Electric Drag Racing Association) Recognizes DragTimes tests in their record books http://www.nedra.com/record_holders.html
GTSprit Reference http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/03/22/video-stock-mclaren-mp4-12c-runs-10-5-second-14-mile/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.199.201.194 ( talk) 18:38, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
AutoBlog References DragTimes http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/23/dyno-might-dragtimes-gets-the-numbers-on-the-ls3-corvette/
Biker Biker has not provided any data to show DragTimes as not being a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.225.146 ( talk) 00:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
And as per the article "We had some time testing out the 2012 McLaren MP4-12C to get some real world all out drag racing and performance results at Palm Beach International Raceway." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.199.201.194 ( talk) 14:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
I am moving this article to McLaren 12C to match the naming per the manufacturer here. The previous title will redirect to the new one. Bahooka ( talk) 01:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
I propose that McLaren 650S be merged into McLaren 12C. McLaren marketing notwithstanding, the 650S is a tweaked 12C with P1-inspired fascias; there's an officially quoted 75% parts commonality. In short, it is to the 12C what a 458 Speciale is to a regular 458 Italia. Cloverleaf II ( talk) 08:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
* Support - having taken both photos used, I also recommend looking at the rear view - nearly indistinguishable. Simply a new numerical code and a modified front.
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The F1 is not a predecessor to the MP4-12C, The F1 sucessor is coming down in 2014 so I'm gonna remove that from the infobox.
[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.153.194.28 ( talk) 21:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
I have seen rumours that Mahle or Cosworth (which is owned by Mahle) is involved in the engine design and manufacture. Has anybody seen (more) authoritative information about that ?
[2] [3] Rps ( talk) 13:48, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
We need to get pictures in here. I contacted McLaren and got this response: "I am afraid that I can only authorise use of official images with official information produced by McLaren Automotive. So in this case I am unable to help with your request." Unfortunate, but we still need to get pictures. Stanislao Avogadro ( talk) 22:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
The car is planned for released in 2011, and so is not yet in manufacture —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.200.122 ( talk) 08:36, 24 February 2010 (UTC) How can Wiki list this car and some other Top Gear fastest lap cars..and not mention price? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.207.116.55 ( talk) 21:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Ricardo plc is credited with design and build input on engine/gearbox? Can anybody say where the engines will be manufactured? The Ricardo page is not giving credit where due? Rupertlt ( talk) 15:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
While I realise there is a marketing/fanboi imperative to claim everything is F1 inspired, in fact using the brakes to improve cornering has been a standard feature of some road cars for many years. By no means the first to use it was the 2004 Ford Territory. Of course fiddle brakes have been around on tractors for much longer than that. Honda at least used diff vectoring as well, but I don't remember when. Greglocock ( talk) 23:38, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Since there already is a separate (if short) article on the M838T engine, I'm cleaning up the engine section and putting a redirect to that article. D3v4st4t0r ( talk) 15:22, 5 May, 2011 (UTC)
I removed the accusations against Ferrari as they're not founded, even the one who started it all, Chris Harris from EVO magazine has called out that what he meant was not that Ferrari took heavily modified cars to tests. The reason of the discrepancies of the performance of the MP4 is due to McLaren not bringing properly broken in test cars with only 3,000km on the odometer that were incredibly off of manufacturer claims; recent test from German Magazines, Sport Auto and Autozeitung are employing different test cars with over 10,000km which have already matched and exceeded McLaren claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.153.31.95 ( talk) 20:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
two different weight for the car are given "he MP4-12C weighs 1,301 kg (2,868 lb) dry"
and 3,082 71.66.104.62 ( talk) 23:15, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
bodywork
dimensions & weights
engine
Ref 17 shows a complete road test and drag racing review with video and timeslips showing the MP4's performance: http://www.dragtimes.com/blog/mclaren-mp4-12c-runs-10-55-134-56-mph-drag-racing-14-mile-quickest-production-car-behind-the-veyron
The source is valid and has been referenced by other auto news sources, autoblog, jalopnik, top gear, autospies, worldcarfans, topspeed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.106.164.23 ( talk) 20:48, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Seems like you refuse to read and view the videos along with timeslips. How are you refuting video and timeslip data shown? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.225.146 ( talk) 00:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Road and Track referencing the article: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-videos/racing-videos/the-mclaren-mp4-12c-on-a-drag-strip — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.225.146 ( talk) 00:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Autoweek referencing a review done by DragTimes: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20130129/green/130129782
Huff Post news story referencing a review done by DragTimes http://videos.huffingtonpost.com/entertainment/electric-tesla-car-smokes-dodge-viper-in-drag-race-517656001
Motor Trend using DragTimes as a reference: http://wot.motortrend.com/watch-a-tesla-model-s-smoke-a-2005-dodge-viper-srt10-at-the-drag-strip-321619.html
Engadget Referencing DragTimes http://www.engadget.com/2013/01/28/tesla-model-s-fastest-production-ev/
NEDRA (National Electric Drag Racing Association) Recognizes DragTimes tests in their record books http://www.nedra.com/record_holders.html
GTSprit Reference http://www.gtspirit.com/2013/03/22/video-stock-mclaren-mp4-12c-runs-10-5-second-14-mile/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.199.201.194 ( talk) 18:38, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
AutoBlog References DragTimes http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/23/dyno-might-dragtimes-gets-the-numbers-on-the-ls3-corvette/
Biker Biker has not provided any data to show DragTimes as not being a reliable source. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.225.146 ( talk) 00:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
And as per the article "We had some time testing out the 2012 McLaren MP4-12C to get some real world all out drag racing and performance results at Palm Beach International Raceway." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.199.201.194 ( talk) 14:54, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
I am moving this article to McLaren 12C to match the naming per the manufacturer here. The previous title will redirect to the new one. Bahooka ( talk) 01:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
I propose that McLaren 650S be merged into McLaren 12C. McLaren marketing notwithstanding, the 650S is a tweaked 12C with P1-inspired fascias; there's an officially quoted 75% parts commonality. In short, it is to the 12C what a 458 Speciale is to a regular 458 Italia. Cloverleaf II ( talk) 08:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
* Support - having taken both photos used, I also recommend looking at the rear view - nearly indistinguishable. Simply a new numerical code and a modified front.
Mr.choppers |
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02:02, 20 August 2014 (UTC)