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How do you mean? I can't see any duplicates. I see you have added Infobox:Islands here as well - can I ask why? Are there some details/information Infobox mountain isn't covering that it needs to? We could raise the issue on the template talk page and get an expert to sort it out - maybe a new sub-type like "island volcano" to allow for the extra info.
Kahuroa (
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17:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)reply
I don't get the coords duplicated side by side in Firefox and IE. Have you tried refreshing your cache? Anyway, we could raise it at the Infobox mountain talk page along with the cat's meow.
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21:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)reply
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Oppose, with Mayor Island being the least suitable name for the article. While there are several sources which just use Mayor Island, there are
even more sources which just use Tūhua (with or without the macron), which would also be even more concise than the outdated English name being proposed. However, there is still a high degree of usage of the dual name, including the sort of sources which
WP:WIAN points us to (noting that
the gazetteerdoesn't even mention a single name as an alternate or historical name). Given that usage is split between all three names, the dual name provides the best opportunity for people to find the article regardless of how they know the island, and is clearly the most suitable option.
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09:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)reply
I manually reviewed the first four pages of your results and found only four articles that used Tuhua in reference to the Island, and one article that may have been referring to the island but was ambiguous - most of the results referred to
Tuhua intrusives and Tuhua orogeny, as well as a few oil wells. Assuming that this ratio holds for all the pages, there will only be around dozen results that use Tuhua.
For comparison, the first four pages of the scholarly results for Mayor Island had only three results that weren't relevant, and one was ambiguous - I was also unable to access two. I also went back over the dual name results for completeness; the first four pages of dual name results had two non-relevant results, and two results that should have been counted as uses of Mayor Island - I would also note that of the results that use a dual name at least once a significant number use it only once before using just Mayor Island.
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10:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, that assumption is incorrect. Looking at the most recent grouping of books (linked at the bottom of the Ngrams, and which the Ngrams are based on), I find that the first four pages of results for Tuhua have just eight relevant results, five of which are part of the dual name. In comparison, the first four pages of results for Mayor Island have 31 relevant results, seven of which are for the dual name. Adjusting for that,
we see that Mayor Island is the common name.
Ngrams is a useful tool when the names considered are the primary topic for that name; it is less useful in other circumstances, like this one, where one needs to review the underlying sources to get a better idea of what it is telling us.
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05:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)reply
That's a good catch – it does turn out that a good chunk of those mentions refer to various Chinese topics I wasn't able to catch in my original search, plus a seemingly unrelated Tuhua near Lake Taupō – but I think you're undercounting the number of relevant sources for Tuhua. I took a look myself at the first four pages of the same grouping, and by my count there were nine relevant sources that used "Tuhua" either primarily or exclusively. (My count excludes sources that principally use the dual name, of which there were another three.) By this count,
the gap in usage closes significantly, so even if Mayor Island is technically ahead, it's a close enough call that I think the dual name will be the most useful title for readers.
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15:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC)reply
That's strange; could you link the nine results you found?
However, assuming that your count, not mine, is correct, then I still think the overall results justify the proposed title; while Google Books might prefer the proposed title only slightly, scholarly and news results still prefer it strongly.
BilledMammal (
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20:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)reply
These were the nine sources I counted:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5],
[6],
[7],
[8],
[9]. (Note that the preview is a little wonky in the second-to-last one – you may need to hit "view all" to be able to actually see the term in context.) Several of the sources use the dual name once when introducing the location, but after the term is introduced, they typically proceed from there by using just Tuhua.
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21:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)reply
It appears that I got slightly different order of results from you; while six of the books you listed were in my first four pages, three were not.
Using your results, for your fourth one I think that is better classified as a use of the dual name; it uses Tuhua twice, Mayor Island twice, and the dual name twice. Apart from that, I see your point; though I was not able to access two of them the rest clearly prefer Tuhua even if they mention the English name. However, they all do so while discussing historical events, when the name of the island was Tuhua.
Given the requirement to prefer the modern place name, I don't believe those results should influence our decision; glancing at the results for Mayor Island, it looks like the majority refer to it in a modern context. I would also note that I haven't checked the seven results that I counted towards the dual name to determine whether they prefer the Mayor Island.
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06:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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How do you mean? I can't see any duplicates. I see you have added Infobox:Islands here as well - can I ask why? Are there some details/information Infobox mountain isn't covering that it needs to? We could raise the issue on the template talk page and get an expert to sort it out - maybe a new sub-type like "island volcano" to allow for the extra info.
Kahuroa (
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17:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)reply
I don't get the coords duplicated side by side in Firefox and IE. Have you tried refreshing your cache? Anyway, we could raise it at the Infobox mountain talk page along with the cat's meow.
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21:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)reply
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Oppose, with Mayor Island being the least suitable name for the article. While there are several sources which just use Mayor Island, there are
even more sources which just use Tūhua (with or without the macron), which would also be even more concise than the outdated English name being proposed. However, there is still a high degree of usage of the dual name, including the sort of sources which
WP:WIAN points us to (noting that
the gazetteerdoesn't even mention a single name as an alternate or historical name). Given that usage is split between all three names, the dual name provides the best opportunity for people to find the article regardless of how they know the island, and is clearly the most suitable option.
Turnagra (
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09:43, 4 July 2022 (UTC)reply
I manually reviewed the first four pages of your results and found only four articles that used Tuhua in reference to the Island, and one article that may have been referring to the island but was ambiguous - most of the results referred to
Tuhua intrusives and Tuhua orogeny, as well as a few oil wells. Assuming that this ratio holds for all the pages, there will only be around dozen results that use Tuhua.
For comparison, the first four pages of the scholarly results for Mayor Island had only three results that weren't relevant, and one was ambiguous - I was also unable to access two. I also went back over the dual name results for completeness; the first four pages of dual name results had two non-relevant results, and two results that should have been counted as uses of Mayor Island - I would also note that of the results that use a dual name at least once a significant number use it only once before using just Mayor Island.
BilledMammal (
talk)
10:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Unfortunately, that assumption is incorrect. Looking at the most recent grouping of books (linked at the bottom of the Ngrams, and which the Ngrams are based on), I find that the first four pages of results for Tuhua have just eight relevant results, five of which are part of the dual name. In comparison, the first four pages of results for Mayor Island have 31 relevant results, seven of which are for the dual name. Adjusting for that,
we see that Mayor Island is the common name.
Ngrams is a useful tool when the names considered are the primary topic for that name; it is less useful in other circumstances, like this one, where one needs to review the underlying sources to get a better idea of what it is telling us.
BilledMammal (
talk)
05:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)reply
That's a good catch – it does turn out that a good chunk of those mentions refer to various Chinese topics I wasn't able to catch in my original search, plus a seemingly unrelated Tuhua near Lake Taupō – but I think you're undercounting the number of relevant sources for Tuhua. I took a look myself at the first four pages of the same grouping, and by my count there were nine relevant sources that used "Tuhua" either primarily or exclusively. (My count excludes sources that principally use the dual name, of which there were another three.) By this count,
the gap in usage closes significantly, so even if Mayor Island is technically ahead, it's a close enough call that I think the dual name will be the most useful title for readers.
ModernDayTrilobite (
talk •
contribs)
15:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC)reply
That's strange; could you link the nine results you found?
However, assuming that your count, not mine, is correct, then I still think the overall results justify the proposed title; while Google Books might prefer the proposed title only slightly, scholarly and news results still prefer it strongly.
BilledMammal (
talk)
20:21, 7 July 2022 (UTC)reply
These were the nine sources I counted:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4],
[5],
[6],
[7],
[8],
[9]. (Note that the preview is a little wonky in the second-to-last one – you may need to hit "view all" to be able to actually see the term in context.) Several of the sources use the dual name once when introducing the location, but after the term is introduced, they typically proceed from there by using just Tuhua.
ModernDayTrilobite (
talk •
contribs)
21:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)reply
It appears that I got slightly different order of results from you; while six of the books you listed were in my first four pages, three were not.
Using your results, for your fourth one I think that is better classified as a use of the dual name; it uses Tuhua twice, Mayor Island twice, and the dual name twice. Apart from that, I see your point; though I was not able to access two of them the rest clearly prefer Tuhua even if they mention the English name. However, they all do so while discussing historical events, when the name of the island was Tuhua.
Given the requirement to prefer the modern place name, I don't believe those results should influence our decision; glancing at the results for Mayor Island, it looks like the majority refer to it in a modern context. I would also note that I haven't checked the seven results that I counted towards the dual name to determine whether they prefer the Mayor Island.
BilledMammal (
talk)
06:08, 9 July 2022 (UTC)reply
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.