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This entry apparently violates What Wikipedia is not Rule 18. http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not
Rule 18 states Wikipedia entries are not to be "A vehicle for advertising. Do not make an article on an item just because you work for a company that makes it, or you make it yourself. You can link to a page about a company if it is to show what companies are important in certain topics. See Wikipedia:articles on commercial enterprises."
This entry appears to have been written by Mayer Brown employees and copies major portions of the Mayer Brown website.
This article does not mention significant negative public information, such as securities fraud litigation against the firm and the federal indictment of a partner. http://abajournal.com/news/refco_trustee_seeks_2_billion_from_mayer_brown_others/ http://abajournal.com/news/mayer_brown_partner_sued_and_charged_by_sec_in_refco_case
Wiki20067 ( talk) 22:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Tristes tigres ( talk) 20:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
A well-sourced and notable factoid about Mayer Brown role in the ongoing campaing against LGBT rights in Russia was deleted without reason; I reverted the deletion. Tiphareth ( talk) 20:26, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Tiphareth, Apologies for removing your text without explanation. Here was my thinking: The “Controversy in Russia” text seems tangential to the topic “Mayer Brown.” Since the apparent controversy has more to do with Yelena Mizulina than with this law firm, perhaps it would be more appropriate to place the text within the “Yelena Mizulina" article, perhaps under the “Position on LGBT” section. "Allefe79" Allefe79 ( talk) 21:30, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Now the section with the LGBT controversy surrounding Mayer Brown was blanked with a comment "This section removed as it is an editorial opinion." Do I see a pattern here? The funny thing is that there is no opinion stated or implied about Mayer Brown in the section, except "allegedly supports LGBT rights, hence breaks the laws instigated by Russian government". I thought that outside of Russia and Islam theocracies supporting LGBT is not a crime or a defamation requiring speedy blanking. Also, the anonymous user person who blanked the section came from an IP 143.58.160.6, associated with Mayer Brown in the whois database. 82.179.218.138 ( talk) 17:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
I think it is worth the effort to quote the relevant bits from the whois database, for the history.
#whois 143.58.160.6 NetRange: 143.58.0.0 - 143.58.255.255 CIDR: 143.58.0.0/16 OrgName: Mayer Brown LLP OrgId: MBRML Address: 71 S. Wacker City: Chicago StateProv: IL PostalCode: 60606 Country: US RegDate: 2006-01-12 Updated: 2013-05-07 Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/MBRML OrgTechHandle: MCS7-ARIN OrgTechName: Sherman, Michael C OrgTechPhone: +1-312-701-8315 OrgTechEmail: mcsherman@mayerbrownrowe.com OrgTechRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/MCS7-ARIN
This is the IP of an anonymous editor who is making changes to this article trying to remove the LGBT controversy. Also, the 82.179.218.138 comment above was mine, I forget to login. Tiphareth ( talk) 17:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This section covers an alleged controversy related to alleged homophobic statements made by the son of Yelena Mizulina, a Russian politician, who happens to work for the company that is the subject of the article. Part of the controversy is that the firm is allegedly LGBT-friendly, yet employs this person who is allegedly LGBT-hostile and whose mother is at the forefront of anti-LGBT activity in Russia. This source in English (which might not be reliable to begin with) for example summarizes it as follows: Mr. Nikolay Mizulin made homophobic statements on his Facebook account that were quickly deleted after his employment with Mayer Brown was publicized. I understand that the LGBT issue in Russia is a delicate and serious one, but ultimately unless reliable sources can be produced that prove the company's involvement in this, the material should be kept off the article, because it implies that the company is somehow guilty by association because one of its 1,500 employees said something stupid. I will note that none of the sources in Russian that I was able to read via Google Translate seem to imply or place any blame in the company per se. Rather, the "controversy" seems to be with Alfred Koch attempting to attack Mizulina by claiming hypocrisy since her son lives and works in societies (Belgium and the UK) where LGBT people have much more freedom and security. For example, running this through Google shows a report on a series of rather snide Facebook posts and tweets about Mizulina and her son. All this is well and good, but ultimately it belongs in the Mizulina biography, not in the Mayer Brown article, which doesn't even operate in Russia. Proposal: Remove the "Controversy in Russia" section, merge whatever material is appropriate to the Yelena Mizulina article, as undue weight and offtopic. § FreeRangeFrog croak 20:01, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Gaijin42,
You removed the practice list and commented it was "unsourced brochure advertising." If I were to link it to the practice list on mayerbrown.com's website, would that be acceptable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcvicker6 ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
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This entry apparently violates What Wikipedia is not Rule 18. http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not
Rule 18 states Wikipedia entries are not to be "A vehicle for advertising. Do not make an article on an item just because you work for a company that makes it, or you make it yourself. You can link to a page about a company if it is to show what companies are important in certain topics. See Wikipedia:articles on commercial enterprises."
This entry appears to have been written by Mayer Brown employees and copies major portions of the Mayer Brown website.
This article does not mention significant negative public information, such as securities fraud litigation against the firm and the federal indictment of a partner. http://abajournal.com/news/refco_trustee_seeks_2_billion_from_mayer_brown_others/ http://abajournal.com/news/mayer_brown_partner_sued_and_charged_by_sec_in_refco_case
Wiki20067 ( talk) 22:25, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
Tristes tigres ( talk) 20:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
A well-sourced and notable factoid about Mayer Brown role in the ongoing campaing against LGBT rights in Russia was deleted without reason; I reverted the deletion. Tiphareth ( talk) 20:26, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Tiphareth, Apologies for removing your text without explanation. Here was my thinking: The “Controversy in Russia” text seems tangential to the topic “Mayer Brown.” Since the apparent controversy has more to do with Yelena Mizulina than with this law firm, perhaps it would be more appropriate to place the text within the “Yelena Mizulina" article, perhaps under the “Position on LGBT” section. "Allefe79" Allefe79 ( talk) 21:30, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
Now the section with the LGBT controversy surrounding Mayer Brown was blanked with a comment "This section removed as it is an editorial opinion." Do I see a pattern here? The funny thing is that there is no opinion stated or implied about Mayer Brown in the section, except "allegedly supports LGBT rights, hence breaks the laws instigated by Russian government". I thought that outside of Russia and Islam theocracies supporting LGBT is not a crime or a defamation requiring speedy blanking. Also, the anonymous user person who blanked the section came from an IP 143.58.160.6, associated with Mayer Brown in the whois database. 82.179.218.138 ( talk) 17:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
I think it is worth the effort to quote the relevant bits from the whois database, for the history.
#whois 143.58.160.6 NetRange: 143.58.0.0 - 143.58.255.255 CIDR: 143.58.0.0/16 OrgName: Mayer Brown LLP OrgId: MBRML Address: 71 S. Wacker City: Chicago StateProv: IL PostalCode: 60606 Country: US RegDate: 2006-01-12 Updated: 2013-05-07 Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/MBRML OrgTechHandle: MCS7-ARIN OrgTechName: Sherman, Michael C OrgTechPhone: +1-312-701-8315 OrgTechEmail: mcsherman@mayerbrownrowe.com OrgTechRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/MCS7-ARIN
This is the IP of an anonymous editor who is making changes to this article trying to remove the LGBT controversy. Also, the 82.179.218.138 comment above was mine, I forget to login. Tiphareth ( talk) 17:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This section covers an alleged controversy related to alleged homophobic statements made by the son of Yelena Mizulina, a Russian politician, who happens to work for the company that is the subject of the article. Part of the controversy is that the firm is allegedly LGBT-friendly, yet employs this person who is allegedly LGBT-hostile and whose mother is at the forefront of anti-LGBT activity in Russia. This source in English (which might not be reliable to begin with) for example summarizes it as follows: Mr. Nikolay Mizulin made homophobic statements on his Facebook account that were quickly deleted after his employment with Mayer Brown was publicized. I understand that the LGBT issue in Russia is a delicate and serious one, but ultimately unless reliable sources can be produced that prove the company's involvement in this, the material should be kept off the article, because it implies that the company is somehow guilty by association because one of its 1,500 employees said something stupid. I will note that none of the sources in Russian that I was able to read via Google Translate seem to imply or place any blame in the company per se. Rather, the "controversy" seems to be with Alfred Koch attempting to attack Mizulina by claiming hypocrisy since her son lives and works in societies (Belgium and the UK) where LGBT people have much more freedom and security. For example, running this through Google shows a report on a series of rather snide Facebook posts and tweets about Mizulina and her son. All this is well and good, but ultimately it belongs in the Mizulina biography, not in the Mayer Brown article, which doesn't even operate in Russia. Proposal: Remove the "Controversy in Russia" section, merge whatever material is appropriate to the Yelena Mizulina article, as undue weight and offtopic. § FreeRangeFrog croak 20:01, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi Gaijin42,
You removed the practice list and commented it was "unsourced brochure advertising." If I were to link it to the practice list on mayerbrown.com's website, would that be acceptable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcvicker6 ( talk • contribs) 21:08, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion:
Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 07:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)