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Hi. In case anyone objects, I should explain myself. 'Maksim Grek' is certainly his usual title in Slavic languages, but in English-language scholarship he is generally referred to as 'Maximus the Greek' or 'Maximos the Greek'. It is for this reason that I have been so bold as to change the title of the article, and I hope none will be offended by this. I'm also proposing to rewrite substantial amounts of the article as one of my research topics is the earlier (non-monastic) life of Maximus the Greek, in the period when he was Michael Trivolis. InfernoXV 13:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
See refs: [1] Guildenrich ( talk) 16:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The claim that Maximus was albanian is nonsense.He wasn't even an Epirotan.His parents were from Lakedaimona region,and probably from Monemvasia.Even if we accept that during those times a small albanian minority existed in Arta region,what about Monemvasia in SE Peloponnisos?
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I have removed [2], which is a poor quality, POV edit by long-banned User:Guildenrich. The source is from 1905 for crying out loud and hardly reliable. Given Guildenrich's penchant for POV-pushing using heavily outdated sources, there is nothing here. I also refer anyone interested to this thread [3]. Deucalionite may also be banned, but this particular edit of his is acceptable, and I stand by it. Athenean ( talk) 18:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
"profondo sotto ogni altro rispetto religioso e intellettuale fu l'influsso risentito da due altri albanesi nella loro permanenza nell'ltalia latina e cattolica: il [Leonico] Tomeo, filosofo all'università di Padova, e Massimo d'Arta, ivi discepolo suo e di Giano Lascaris". - La Civiltà cattolica, 1940, p. 349-50. https://books.google.al/books?id=IZ81j-8RcYwC&q=%22Massimo+d%27Arta%22&dq=%22Massimo+d%27Arta%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUio7sjsrnAhVmwsQBHRALBzUQ6AEITjAE Edion Petriti ( talk) 18:31, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
In 1968, newly discovered Siberian records shed light on the court trial of Maximus, and on the activities of the monk and thinker in the Rus. ( https://books.google.al/books?id=0HAaAQAAMAAJ&q=%22Maxim+Grek%22&dq=%22Maxim+Grek%22&hl=sq&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi65_7ziNHnAhXxsIsKHW3JBCcQ6AEIYTAG)
Authorities on the life of Maximus the Greek:
Edion Petriti ( talk) 12:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Dr. K, please lets discuss on the talk page, I'm going to insert a section on his origins, with references, stating that he was either Greek or Albanian, because the sources vary.
According to Russian scholars like Smurlo, Vernadski and Polevoj, Maximus was born in Albania. [1] [2] A document of the Lavra of the Most Holy Trinity states he was originally from "the city of Arta". Some like to have him born in Narta, Vlora but this is quite improbable. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edion Petriti ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
And you know very well that being called a Greek in humanist Italy meant simply a Greek Orthodox or adherent of Eastern Christianity.and
And there is no need of 10-12 sources, one will do if he really was a Romaeus and a Hellene in the modern sense, which I doubt he was.) and personal attacks can hide your POV. I am not going to discuss this further with you, as predictably you suffer from a bad case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Just a piece of advice going forward: Do not attempt insertion of your obsolete sources until you gain WP:CONSENSUS to do so, which clearly you don't have. Dr. K. 14:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
@Khirurg: "Older sources may be inaccurate"... or "Sometimes sources are too new to use". "With regard to historical events, older reports (closer to the event, but not too close such that they are prone to the errors of breaking news) tend to have the most detail, and are less likely to have errors introduced by repeated copying and summarizing." ( WP:AGEMATTERS). Edion Petriti ( talk) 10:18, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
References
Edion Petriti ( talk) 15:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
( https://books.google.al/books?id=WCXgAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Maksim+Grek,+a+native+of+Albania%22&dq=%22Maksim+Grek,+a+native+of+Albania%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP1oSw3ufnAhU9wsQBHUq9CDcQ6AEIJjAA) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edion Petriti ( talk • contribs) 13:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
References
profondo sotto ogni altro rispetto religioso e intellettuale fu l'influsso risentito da due altri albanesi nella loro permanenza nell'ltalia latina e cattolica: il [Leonico] Tomeo, filosofo all'università di Padova, e Massimo d'Arta, ivi discepolo suo e di Giano Lascaris
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There is no indication in his works so far, that he signed his works this way. See https://books.google.al/books?id=TgdKAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22maximus+graecus%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7uIfvmPHnAhVqpYsKHRgkBuIQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Edion Petriti ( talk) 07:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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Hi. In case anyone objects, I should explain myself. 'Maksim Grek' is certainly his usual title in Slavic languages, but in English-language scholarship he is generally referred to as 'Maximus the Greek' or 'Maximos the Greek'. It is for this reason that I have been so bold as to change the title of the article, and I hope none will be offended by this. I'm also proposing to rewrite substantial amounts of the article as one of my research topics is the earlier (non-monastic) life of Maximus the Greek, in the period when he was Michael Trivolis. InfernoXV 13:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
See refs: [1] Guildenrich ( talk) 16:34, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The claim that Maximus was albanian is nonsense.He wasn't even an Epirotan.His parents were from Lakedaimona region,and probably from Monemvasia.Even if we accept that during those times a small albanian minority existed in Arta region,what about Monemvasia in SE Peloponnisos?
Pavlos1988 (
talk)
08:56, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I have removed [2], which is a poor quality, POV edit by long-banned User:Guildenrich. The source is from 1905 for crying out loud and hardly reliable. Given Guildenrich's penchant for POV-pushing using heavily outdated sources, there is nothing here. I also refer anyone interested to this thread [3]. Deucalionite may also be banned, but this particular edit of his is acceptable, and I stand by it. Athenean ( talk) 18:55, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
"profondo sotto ogni altro rispetto religioso e intellettuale fu l'influsso risentito da due altri albanesi nella loro permanenza nell'ltalia latina e cattolica: il [Leonico] Tomeo, filosofo all'università di Padova, e Massimo d'Arta, ivi discepolo suo e di Giano Lascaris". - La Civiltà cattolica, 1940, p. 349-50. https://books.google.al/books?id=IZ81j-8RcYwC&q=%22Massimo+d%27Arta%22&dq=%22Massimo+d%27Arta%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUio7sjsrnAhVmwsQBHRALBzUQ6AEITjAE Edion Petriti ( talk) 18:31, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
In 1968, newly discovered Siberian records shed light on the court trial of Maximus, and on the activities of the monk and thinker in the Rus. ( https://books.google.al/books?id=0HAaAQAAMAAJ&q=%22Maxim+Grek%22&dq=%22Maxim+Grek%22&hl=sq&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi65_7ziNHnAhXxsIsKHW3JBCcQ6AEIYTAG)
Authorities on the life of Maximus the Greek:
Edion Petriti ( talk) 12:39, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Dr. K, please lets discuss on the talk page, I'm going to insert a section on his origins, with references, stating that he was either Greek or Albanian, because the sources vary.
According to Russian scholars like Smurlo, Vernadski and Polevoj, Maximus was born in Albania. [1] [2] A document of the Lavra of the Most Holy Trinity states he was originally from "the city of Arta". Some like to have him born in Narta, Vlora but this is quite improbable. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edion Petriti ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
And you know very well that being called a Greek in humanist Italy meant simply a Greek Orthodox or adherent of Eastern Christianity.and
And there is no need of 10-12 sources, one will do if he really was a Romaeus and a Hellene in the modern sense, which I doubt he was.) and personal attacks can hide your POV. I am not going to discuss this further with you, as predictably you suffer from a bad case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Just a piece of advice going forward: Do not attempt insertion of your obsolete sources until you gain WP:CONSENSUS to do so, which clearly you don't have. Dr. K. 14:25, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
@Khirurg: "Older sources may be inaccurate"... or "Sometimes sources are too new to use". "With regard to historical events, older reports (closer to the event, but not too close such that they are prone to the errors of breaking news) tend to have the most detail, and are less likely to have errors introduced by repeated copying and summarizing." ( WP:AGEMATTERS). Edion Petriti ( talk) 10:18, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
References
Edion Petriti ( talk) 15:34, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
( https://books.google.al/books?id=WCXgAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Maksim+Grek,+a+native+of+Albania%22&dq=%22Maksim+Grek,+a+native+of+Albania%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjP1oSw3ufnAhU9wsQBHUq9CDcQ6AEIJjAA) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edion Petriti ( talk • contribs) 13:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
References
profondo sotto ogni altro rispetto religioso e intellettuale fu l'influsso risentito da due altri albanesi nella loro permanenza nell'ltalia latina e cattolica: il [Leonico] Tomeo, filosofo all'università di Padova, e Massimo d'Arta, ivi discepolo suo e di Giano Lascaris
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There is no indication in his works so far, that he signed his works this way. See https://books.google.al/books?id=TgdKAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=inauthor:%22maximus+graecus%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj7uIfvmPHnAhVqpYsKHRgkBuIQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q&f=false Edion Petriti ( talk) 07:21, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
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