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Which Mount Sinai Hospital? The disambiguation page lists 8 or more hospitals of that name. — teb728 t c 00:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Link to Times (name=Times4) is not accepted, because in seems to work through proxy, and wouldn't work at general access. Getting permanent link didn't succeed yet, so referrence statement with link temporarily commented to invisibility. -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 00:50, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
"Your action has triggered an edit filter Warning: An automated filter has identified that your edit includes a link or reference running through a local proxy".
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, which I understood to be suggested, I was also unsuccessfull. Leaving referrence statement(s) in question in the article commented until the problem is resolved.--
Marjan Tomki SI (
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16:22, 13 February 2022 (UTC)eo:Max Talmey shows data about place ( Taurage) and country of birth, which at the time (1869 to seem to have been Kaunas governorate of Russian Empire, which are places that are now parts of Lithuania. For about 200 years that area was part of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, which favored Polish language. That was partitioned between Russian, Prussian and Austrian-Hungarian states about half a century before Talmey's birth.
From there we can also imply - but without sources, can't know - which were some of the 6 languages source claimed he learned before he was 18 and before he came to study medicine in Munich (I saw that claim in Times article, but couldn't make WP SW accept the link (see above). Some of those were very probably Yiddish, German, Latin (then scientific language, still used in parts of medicine etc.), Russian (heavy russification there at the time), Polish (polification at the end of the Commonwealth), and French (Napoleon's push into Russia got through there too about half a century ago), but I haven't found (also see below) references to confirm any of that about languages, yet.
In the Esperanto article, there are also data about Talmey's presiding New York Esperanto club in 1905, wrote textbooks for learning Esperanto ( one of those is in Wikisource), was member of Language Committee in 1905, and vice president of American Esperanto Association in 1906.
After tries for inventor to adopt changes (both to remove then already known weakness, and to include new terms to vocabulary) to Esperanto failed, he (and several others) moved (in 1908) on IDO, and he worked on it into 1930-ies. Then, when development of Ido also fell behind the needs of usage, he continued: he designed and refined a sequence of his own constructed languages evolved from Esperanto (this part already is in the article; I had sources - see previous section).
One of my earliest hobbies was languages. It came about through the poverty of words in my mother tongue, which was a mere dialect. The first real language I learned in school. A new world then seemed to open to me. A great many novel concepts were encountered that hardly existed in my dialect. It had no words to render them, while in the language each of them could be expressed by one word, in spite of their complexity. In studying a second language, the experience obtained with the first one and my dialect drew my attention particularly to the comparative expressiveness of the two languages. They revealed a similar phenomenon: many conceptions could be expressed by a single word in one language and only by a circumlocution in the other.
Curiosity was now aroused regarding the expressiveness of other languages and furnished the incentive to study several more of them. By the age of eighteen I had acquired a working knowledge of six languages. All presented the condition found in the first two: the occasional necessity of a circumlocution on one language where a single word sufficed in another, that is, in every language there was want of expressiveness in certain instances.
My preceding experiences engendered the idea of a language never showing lack of expressiveness or always possessing one word for every concept expressible by a single word in any one of the principal languages. This essential feature of the imagined language, the ideal, will be better understood by the following three sets of examples of concepts to be expressed, or definitions, each set taken from a different language.
Here, problem is that I can't access the source cited in the Esperanto Max Talmey article yet, and so I can't verify that the reference covers this info, and so I can't include it in this article yet. [1] -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 04:22, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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title=Albert einstein and his mentor Max Talmey: The seventh charles B. snyder lecture
title=Albert Einstein and his mentor Max Talmey: The seventh Charles B. Snyder lecture
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@ Okiyo9228: All sources but one (including those three I mentioned in the article) I saw said Einstein called his geometry "eye opener" book "my holly little geometry book", and the one that mentioned his “sacred little geometry book” didn't mention to which book it relates at all, [1] so I changed it from my the "holly... and your the "the sacred... to current "my holly....
But your change (and some additional bits) induced me to a bit more research, and it seems (regardless what journalists in sources we already cited wrote) the little book was not Euclid's Elements directly, but Spieker's textbook on geometry [2], which could be Lehrbuch Der Levels Geometry - With Übungsaufgaben - Th. Spieker 1899/289. This source seems well supported by sources it's author odepended on, too, and this is also one of the possibles from another source; only timing seems to be a bit in doubt anyway (it seems Einstein recalls receiving it at about 12, Talmey giving it to him before that). I'll check that a bit more (and look into the book in question, if I'll be able to), before changing the related part of the article. -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 21:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC) .
May be ambiguous sources of course, but, I got “my holly little geometry book” from Einstein: His Life and Universe book which entails that quote from Einstein Okiyo9228 ( talk) 22:14, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Another source (shall be used even more when contents looked into about Talmud/Talmey and also related to Albert Einstein is applied to Einstein article too. [3]
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Which Mount Sinai Hospital? The disambiguation page lists 8 or more hospitals of that name. — teb728 t c 00:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Link to Times (name=Times4) is not accepted, because in seems to work through proxy, and wouldn't work at general access. Getting permanent link didn't succeed yet, so referrence statement with link temporarily commented to invisibility. -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 00:50, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
"Your action has triggered an edit filter Warning: An automated filter has identified that your edit includes a link or reference running through a local proxy".
You can link to https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?AN=<access number> (the ebsco 'permanent link' to the record), the access number is sometimes visible in other ebsco links (the number after 'AN='), or available from the ebsco page that you are visiting.
https://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?AN=54811962
, which I understood to be suggested, I was also unsuccessfull. Leaving referrence statement(s) in question in the article commented until the problem is resolved.--
Marjan Tomki SI (
talk)
16:22, 13 February 2022 (UTC)eo:Max Talmey shows data about place ( Taurage) and country of birth, which at the time (1869 to seem to have been Kaunas governorate of Russian Empire, which are places that are now parts of Lithuania. For about 200 years that area was part of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth, which favored Polish language. That was partitioned between Russian, Prussian and Austrian-Hungarian states about half a century before Talmey's birth.
From there we can also imply - but without sources, can't know - which were some of the 6 languages source claimed he learned before he was 18 and before he came to study medicine in Munich (I saw that claim in Times article, but couldn't make WP SW accept the link (see above). Some of those were very probably Yiddish, German, Latin (then scientific language, still used in parts of medicine etc.), Russian (heavy russification there at the time), Polish (polification at the end of the Commonwealth), and French (Napoleon's push into Russia got through there too about half a century ago), but I haven't found (also see below) references to confirm any of that about languages, yet.
In the Esperanto article, there are also data about Talmey's presiding New York Esperanto club in 1905, wrote textbooks for learning Esperanto ( one of those is in Wikisource), was member of Language Committee in 1905, and vice president of American Esperanto Association in 1906.
After tries for inventor to adopt changes (both to remove then already known weakness, and to include new terms to vocabulary) to Esperanto failed, he (and several others) moved (in 1908) on IDO, and he worked on it into 1930-ies. Then, when development of Ido also fell behind the needs of usage, he continued: he designed and refined a sequence of his own constructed languages evolved from Esperanto (this part already is in the article; I had sources - see previous section).
One of my earliest hobbies was languages. It came about through the poverty of words in my mother tongue, which was a mere dialect. The first real language I learned in school. A new world then seemed to open to me. A great many novel concepts were encountered that hardly existed in my dialect. It had no words to render them, while in the language each of them could be expressed by one word, in spite of their complexity. In studying a second language, the experience obtained with the first one and my dialect drew my attention particularly to the comparative expressiveness of the two languages. They revealed a similar phenomenon: many conceptions could be expressed by a single word in one language and only by a circumlocution in the other.
Curiosity was now aroused regarding the expressiveness of other languages and furnished the incentive to study several more of them. By the age of eighteen I had acquired a working knowledge of six languages. All presented the condition found in the first two: the occasional necessity of a circumlocution on one language where a single word sufficed in another, that is, in every language there was want of expressiveness in certain instances.
My preceding experiences engendered the idea of a language never showing lack of expressiveness or always possessing one word for every concept expressible by a single word in any one of the principal languages. This essential feature of the imagined language, the ideal, will be better understood by the following three sets of examples of concepts to be expressed, or definitions, each set taken from a different language.
Here, problem is that I can't access the source cited in the Esperanto Max Talmey article yet, and so I can't verify that the reference covers this info, and so I can't include it in this article yet. [1] -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 04:22, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
References
title=Albert einstein and his mentor Max Talmey: The seventh charles B. snyder lecture
title=Albert Einstein and his mentor Max Talmey: The seventh Charles B. Snyder lecture
References
@ Okiyo9228: All sources but one (including those three I mentioned in the article) I saw said Einstein called his geometry "eye opener" book "my holly little geometry book", and the one that mentioned his “sacred little geometry book” didn't mention to which book it relates at all, [1] so I changed it from my the "holly... and your the "the sacred... to current "my holly....
But your change (and some additional bits) induced me to a bit more research, and it seems (regardless what journalists in sources we already cited wrote) the little book was not Euclid's Elements directly, but Spieker's textbook on geometry [2], which could be Lehrbuch Der Levels Geometry - With Übungsaufgaben - Th. Spieker 1899/289. This source seems well supported by sources it's author odepended on, too, and this is also one of the possibles from another source; only timing seems to be a bit in doubt anyway (it seems Einstein recalls receiving it at about 12, Talmey giving it to him before that). I'll check that a bit more (and look into the book in question, if I'll be able to), before changing the related part of the article. -- Marjan Tomki SI ( talk) 21:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC) .
May be ambiguous sources of course, but, I got “my holly little geometry book” from Einstein: His Life and Universe book which entails that quote from Einstein Okiyo9228 ( talk) 22:14, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Another source (shall be used even more when contents looked into about Talmud/Talmey and also related to Albert Einstein is applied to Einstein article too. [3]
References