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The page says -- "shortly after" Arnold's sighting but the date given is before that given on Wikipedia for the Arnold sighting.-- Richard Clegg 08:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't know anything about this topic, but boy does this article suck. And then they went and they got in the car and then they went and they ate breakfast..Somebody who does know should start over, it's unreadable as is. Jjdon ( talk) 23:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
At one point the article says: 'United Press stringer Ted Morello died shorty thereafter. [9]' followed by '(Ted Morello did not, in fact, die shortly thereafter. He moved to New York and until his death due to a stroke on September 15, 2007, at the age of 88, was a well-respected newspaper correspondent to the United Nations.)' with no explanation. What's going on - did the guy die or not?
- Seems to be a reference to this: [1] I don't know that this is the same Ted Morello, but he apparently did work for UPI at one point. Ben Standeven ( talk) 04:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
This Wikipedia entry appears to be a load of bollocks based on a hoax by Crisman, who had nothing to do with the JFK assassination--he had a solid alibi for the day of the assassination according to his own Wikipedia entry, he wasn't on the grassy knoll with a gun. The guy used to make up stories about "deros"--subterranean robots--in letters to pulp fiction magazines when the Shaver Mysteries were popular. He claimed he was attacked by alien lasers in Burma during WWII. Lippard ( talk) 19:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
What do the last 3 paragraphs have to do with the Maury Island Incident? They belong in the UFO sightings general topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougpy ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
This article needs major clean-up, probably a complete rewrite. I have added the tag since I personally do not know enough about this subject to properly rewrite it. If this article is to be taken seriously and not marked for deletion, it should be cleaned up from top to bottom: organization, grammar, style of writing, use of parentheses... Nitroblu ( talk) 18:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
...that's an unreadable wall of text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.110.82 ( talk) 13:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
A member of the 'Project Bluebook' Team who later visited the two U.S. Intelligence Officers who were the last people to speak to the Intelligence Officers sent to investigate the Maury Island incident said that there 'was' Classified Material on board the plane when it set out from the airfield on it's return trip that ended in the crash. The Officers said the material was unrelated Confidential Files and Documents that they asked the two visiting Officers to drop off for them at their destination. The Officers interviewed by the Bluebook Investigator also added that before leaving the two visiting Intelligence Officers had commented to them that they believed the Maury Island report was a hoax. The Bluebook investigator did not give any names of the Officers etc as he wrote that it was not U.S. Air Force Policy to do so in material released for public discussion. Johnwrd ( talk) 04:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
The creators of this article appear to have omitted a key source of information, specificially the relevant government documents. See: https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%205%20of%2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.134.178 ( talk) 21:47, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I'm planning on cleaning this article up, and expanding it with information drawn from reliable sources. There seems to be a reasonable amount of reporting on this topic. If you want to add something, let me know here on the talk page! Kavigupta 04:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
The Skeptical Inquiry Article "Creators Of The Paranormal" says nothing about Kenneth Arnold writing an article about the Maury Island incident for Fate magazine. There is a Kenneth Arnold article in the first issue of Fate Magazine, but the article has nothing to do with Maury Island. It is all about Kenneth Arnold's personal UFO sighting. I don't have access to every issue of Fate Magazine, but there's nothing about Maury Island in the first issue. GaslightHourJoe ( talk) 05:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Link updated and para copyedited. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 17:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
The HowstuffWorks source also appears to be almost wholely plagiarized from Jerome Clark's book "Ufo Encounters, Sightings, and Visitations." GaslightHourJoe ( talk) 07:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- If one source doesn't properly credit another source, it's not WP's problem. -
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17:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- I admit to not knowing much about the standards at WP, but it seems intuitive that citing the original source is better than citing a source that copy-pasted the original source with no attribution. GaslightHourJoe ( talk)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Move. ( non-admin closure) Feoffer ( talk) 03:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Maury Island hoax → Maury Island Incident – "Maury Island Incident" was changed as the title of this article and it was redirected to "Maury Island Hoax". The accurate name, which was previously correct and is cited in the article and reflected in various pieces of art, websites, regional references, and Washington State Legislation, is the "Maury Island Incident". Whether or not it was a hoax is not in dispute, but the correct name should be given in the title and URL for accuracy. As you wouldn't title something "The Moon Landing Hoax", the same equally applies here where "hoax" (arguably subjective conjecture) does not belong in the title or URL of this series of events and local history collectively known today as the "Maury Island Incident". A new section would be a better place to make the argument for whether or not this was a hoax rather than in the article's title and sprinkled throughout the copy/other articles referring to this one. SSRTACOMM ( talk) 01:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC) SSRTACOMM ( talk) 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- My thinking is that while Maury Island incident is the more
WP:COMMONNAME for the reported events of June 21st, the article is all about events in July 1947, when all involved agree some sort of hoaxing / pranking was happening. Also where did you read that "Nancy Paul" was the artist on the mural, I can't find any reference to them.
Feoffer (
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02:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the info and sharing thoughts Feoffer. Perhaps the "hoax" deserves its own page or section? This topic goes beyond just the events of 1947 and I'd like to assist in building out the page with more information about the films, artworks, events, mural, and facts related to the Maury Island Incident. As you point out, the common, recognizable, natural, neutral name is "Maury Island Incident", and many things share that name. In fact, the only place I can find that calls this topic the "Maury Island 'Hoax'" is here on the articles you've changed on wikipedia. Local and national media outlets, the Washington State Legislature, local Des Moines government/residents and a number of other sources (all cited in the Wikipedia page), refer to this correctly by its common name. The hoax reference/information seems a strong subsection, but not the title as this topic goes beyond just the events of June 21st. I'm new to making wikipedia edits, but this subject needs additional info that's missing, so I appreciate the discussion and making sure I've done any suggestions correctly to ensure public access to accurate and additional info.
- Regarding the mural: the artists are Nancy Pahl and John Pahl (note corrected spelling). I neglected to include a link for reference, but that information is on a brass plaque that was just installed beside the mural (picture to come) as well as on these two sites:
- https://b-townblog.com/uh-oh-that-mysterious-obelisk-has-returned-suddenly-appears-at-maury-island-incident-mural-in-des-moines/
- https://www.seattlesouthside.com/directory/maury-island-incident-mural/ SSRTACOMM ( talk) 18:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: no need to capitalise 'incident'. YorkshireExpat ( talk) 18:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Okay, you make a good case SSRTACOMM. Having had time to reflect on the fact that there are annual festivals in Des Moines -- that really does make it more a cultural thing akin to Roswell or McMinnville or something. I've added the material you told me about and made the move. Welcome aboard and thanks for improving the article. Feoffer ( talk) 04:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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The page says -- "shortly after" Arnold's sighting but the date given is before that given on Wikipedia for the Arnold sighting.-- Richard Clegg 08:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't know anything about this topic, but boy does this article suck. And then they went and they got in the car and then they went and they ate breakfast..Somebody who does know should start over, it's unreadable as is. Jjdon ( talk) 23:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
At one point the article says: 'United Press stringer Ted Morello died shorty thereafter. [9]' followed by '(Ted Morello did not, in fact, die shortly thereafter. He moved to New York and until his death due to a stroke on September 15, 2007, at the age of 88, was a well-respected newspaper correspondent to the United Nations.)' with no explanation. What's going on - did the guy die or not?
- Seems to be a reference to this: [1] I don't know that this is the same Ted Morello, but he apparently did work for UPI at one point. Ben Standeven ( talk) 04:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
This Wikipedia entry appears to be a load of bollocks based on a hoax by Crisman, who had nothing to do with the JFK assassination--he had a solid alibi for the day of the assassination according to his own Wikipedia entry, he wasn't on the grassy knoll with a gun. The guy used to make up stories about "deros"--subterranean robots--in letters to pulp fiction magazines when the Shaver Mysteries were popular. He claimed he was attacked by alien lasers in Burma during WWII. Lippard ( talk) 19:41, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
What do the last 3 paragraphs have to do with the Maury Island Incident? They belong in the UFO sightings general topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougpy ( talk • contribs) 19:14, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
This article needs major clean-up, probably a complete rewrite. I have added the tag since I personally do not know enough about this subject to properly rewrite it. If this article is to be taken seriously and not marked for deletion, it should be cleaned up from top to bottom: organization, grammar, style of writing, use of parentheses... Nitroblu ( talk) 18:23, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
...that's an unreadable wall of text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.79.110.82 ( talk) 13:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
A member of the 'Project Bluebook' Team who later visited the two U.S. Intelligence Officers who were the last people to speak to the Intelligence Officers sent to investigate the Maury Island incident said that there 'was' Classified Material on board the plane when it set out from the airfield on it's return trip that ended in the crash. The Officers said the material was unrelated Confidential Files and Documents that they asked the two visiting Officers to drop off for them at their destination. The Officers interviewed by the Bluebook Investigator also added that before leaving the two visiting Intelligence Officers had commented to them that they believed the Maury Island report was a hoax. The Bluebook investigator did not give any names of the Officers etc as he wrote that it was not U.S. Air Force Policy to do so in material released for public discussion. Johnwrd ( talk) 04:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
The creators of this article appear to have omitted a key source of information, specificially the relevant government documents. See: https://vault.fbi.gov/UFO/UFO%20Part%205%20of%2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.134.178 ( talk) 21:47, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I'm planning on cleaning this article up, and expanding it with information drawn from reliable sources. There seems to be a reasonable amount of reporting on this topic. If you want to add something, let me know here on the talk page! Kavigupta 04:59, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
The Skeptical Inquiry Article "Creators Of The Paranormal" says nothing about Kenneth Arnold writing an article about the Maury Island incident for Fate magazine. There is a Kenneth Arnold article in the first issue of Fate Magazine, but the article has nothing to do with Maury Island. It is all about Kenneth Arnold's personal UFO sighting. I don't have access to every issue of Fate Magazine, but there's nothing about Maury Island in the first issue. GaslightHourJoe ( talk) 05:48, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- Link updated and para copyedited. - LuckyLouie ( talk) 17:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
The HowstuffWorks source also appears to be almost wholely plagiarized from Jerome Clark's book "Ufo Encounters, Sightings, and Visitations." GaslightHourJoe ( talk) 07:00, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- If one source doesn't properly credit another source, it's not WP's problem. -
LuckyLouie (
talk)
17:03, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
- I admit to not knowing much about the standards at WP, but it seems intuitive that citing the original source is better than citing a source that copy-pasted the original source with no attribution. GaslightHourJoe ( talk)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Move. ( non-admin closure) Feoffer ( talk) 03:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Maury Island hoax → Maury Island Incident – "Maury Island Incident" was changed as the title of this article and it was redirected to "Maury Island Hoax". The accurate name, which was previously correct and is cited in the article and reflected in various pieces of art, websites, regional references, and Washington State Legislation, is the "Maury Island Incident". Whether or not it was a hoax is not in dispute, but the correct name should be given in the title and URL for accuracy. As you wouldn't title something "The Moon Landing Hoax", the same equally applies here where "hoax" (arguably subjective conjecture) does not belong in the title or URL of this series of events and local history collectively known today as the "Maury Island Incident". A new section would be a better place to make the argument for whether or not this was a hoax rather than in the article's title and sprinkled throughout the copy/other articles referring to this one. SSRTACOMM ( talk) 01:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC) SSRTACOMM ( talk) 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- My thinking is that while Maury Island incident is the more
WP:COMMONNAME for the reported events of June 21st, the article is all about events in July 1947, when all involved agree some sort of hoaxing / pranking was happening. Also where did you read that "Nancy Paul" was the artist on the mural, I can't find any reference to them.
Feoffer (
talk)
02:14, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the info and sharing thoughts Feoffer. Perhaps the "hoax" deserves its own page or section? This topic goes beyond just the events of 1947 and I'd like to assist in building out the page with more information about the films, artworks, events, mural, and facts related to the Maury Island Incident. As you point out, the common, recognizable, natural, neutral name is "Maury Island Incident", and many things share that name. In fact, the only place I can find that calls this topic the "Maury Island 'Hoax'" is here on the articles you've changed on wikipedia. Local and national media outlets, the Washington State Legislature, local Des Moines government/residents and a number of other sources (all cited in the Wikipedia page), refer to this correctly by its common name. The hoax reference/information seems a strong subsection, but not the title as this topic goes beyond just the events of June 21st. I'm new to making wikipedia edits, but this subject needs additional info that's missing, so I appreciate the discussion and making sure I've done any suggestions correctly to ensure public access to accurate and additional info.
- Regarding the mural: the artists are Nancy Pahl and John Pahl (note corrected spelling). I neglected to include a link for reference, but that information is on a brass plaque that was just installed beside the mural (picture to come) as well as on these two sites:
- https://b-townblog.com/uh-oh-that-mysterious-obelisk-has-returned-suddenly-appears-at-maury-island-incident-mural-in-des-moines/
- https://www.seattlesouthside.com/directory/maury-island-incident-mural/ SSRTACOMM ( talk) 18:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: no need to capitalise 'incident'. YorkshireExpat ( talk) 18:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
Okay, you make a good case SSRTACOMM. Having had time to reflect on the fact that there are annual festivals in Des Moines -- that really does make it more a cultural thing akin to Roswell or McMinnville or something. I've added the material you told me about and made the move. Welcome aboard and thanks for improving the article. Feoffer ( talk) 04:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
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