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Merge suggestion

Someone has suggested 1989 events in Mauritania and Senegal be merged into this article. I would suggest that while these topics contain much overlap, the internal ethnic conflict and refugee crisis of the 1989 events in Mauritania and Senegal might be renamed to show the existing focus of that article is on Mauritania, and the events which caused a massive refugee outpouring into Senegal. This article, the Mauritania鈥揝enegal_Border_War is one consequence of that crisis, but only one, and should remain a separate article. Should the other article be renamed 1989 events in Mauritania or 1989 ethnic conflict in Mauritania or 1989 Mauritanian refugee crisis? Suggestions and difference of opinion can only help here! T L Miles ( talk) 18:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC) reply

In the interim, someone has both combined these articles (without discussion or even edit summaries) and then removed large sections of them, specifically removing anything referencing skin-color based conflict. I'm tempted to just revert several years of edits, as this thing now is almost worse than having no article at all (and for the riots, mass killings, ethnic violence etc in Mauritania that sparked this war, there IS no article). See changes here. All in all, this is an unreferenced POV nationalist mess. T L Miles ( talk) 16:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC) reply
Agreed. The current article, even with the incorporation of the French article, still fails to mention a lot of the later violence. I'll try and expand these sections. MrPenguin20 ( talk) 03:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Possible way out of this mess of an article

Take a look at fr:Conflit_s茅n茅galo-mauritanien, the French language equivalent of this. It is short and does not fully cover the territory, but it is a neutral, well referenced, start. A complete wipe-out of the current English article and its replacement by a translation of the French article would be a good start. Below is the quite useful bibliography of the French language article (which contains English language sources).

Bibliography

  • J. V. Magistro, 芦聽Crossing Over: Ethnicity and Transboundary Conflict in the Senegal River Valley聽禄, Cahiers d'茅tudes africaines, XXXIII-2 (130), p. 201-232
  • R. Parker, 芦聽The Senegal-Mauritania Conflict of 1989: a Fragile Equilibrium聽禄, Journal of Modern African Studies, n掳 29, 1 (1991), p. 155-171
  • Livre blanc sur le diff茅rend avec le S茅n茅gal, Nouakchott, R茅publique Islamique de Mauritanie, 1989, 79 p. (suppl茅ment Chaab, 31 ao没t 1989)
  • Journalisme et conflits dans la vall茅e du fleuve S茅n茅gal, publication tir茅e du s茅minaire "Environnement et gestion de l'espace frontalier dans la Vall茅e du fleuve S茅n茅gal聽: quelles responsabilit茅s des journalistes en mati猫re de pr茅vention des conflits?", organis茅 par l'Institut Panos et l'universit茅 de Saint-Louis du S茅n茅gal, du 8 au 18 ao没t 1994, Paris, L'Harmattan, 1996, 172 p. ISBN: 2738445322
  • Charles Becker et Andr茅 Lericollais, 芦聽Le probl猫me frontalier dans le conflit s茅n茅galo-mauritanien聽禄, Politique africaine, n掳 35, 1989, p. 149-155
  • Abdoulaye Mamadou Dia, Les conflits entre s茅dentaires et nomades dans la vall茅e du S茅n茅gal (Fuuta Tooro) de la fin de la conqu锚te coloniale 脿 l鈥檌nd茅pendance de la Mauritanie et du S茅n茅gal. Approche critique des sources, Dakar, Universit茅 Cheikh Anta Diop, 1990, 42 p. (M茅moire de DEA)
  • Momar Coumba Diop et Mamadou Diouf, 芦聽Le conflit s茅n茅galo-mauritanien聽禄 dans Le S茅n茅gal sous Abdou Diouf, Paris, Karthala, 1990, p. 387-404 ISBN: 2-86537-275-8
  • Marion Fresia, Les Mauritaniens r茅fugi茅s au S茅n茅gal聽: une anthropologie critique de l'asile et de l'aide humanitaire, L'Harmattan, Paris, 2009, 379 p. ISBN: 978-2-296-07730-0 (texte remani茅 d'une th猫se de doctorat d'Anthropologie sociale et ethnologie, EHESS, Paris, 2005)
  • Christian Santoir, 芦聽Les Peul "refus茅s". Les Peul mauritaniens r茅fugi茅s au S茅n茅gal (d茅partement de Matam)聽禄, Cahiers des sciences humaines, 1990, vol. 26, n掳 4, p. 577-603
  • Christian Santoir, 芦聽D'une rive 脿 l'autre. Les Peul mauritaniens r茅fugi茅s au S茅n茅gal (d茅partement de Dagana et Podor)聽禄, Cahiers des sciences humaines, 1990, vol. 29, n掳 1, p. 195-229
  • J. Schmitz, 芦聽Anthropologie des conflits fonciers et hydropolitiques du fleuve S茅n茅gal (1975-1991)聽禄, Cahiers des Sciences humaines, 1993, vol. 29, n掳 4, p. 591-623
  • C茅line Vandermotten, G茅opolitique de la vall茅e du S茅n茅gal. Les flots de la discorde, Paris, L鈥橦armattan, juin 2004, 165 p. ISBN: 2-7475-5855-X


Good idea, and thanks for the sources. I've translated the French article and integrated it with the existing article. I'll work on going through the sources provided though to try and expand the article. At the moment the article only really talks about the early border conflict and expulsions, and not the ensuing violence seen over the next few years. Any further help with expanding the article would be much appreciated! MrPenguin20 ( talk) 03:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Wiki Education assignment: Aid, Arms, and Armies - The Politics of Intervention in Africa

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 2 February 2023 and 8 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): JSCC3412 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: WadeBucket, Earthboundsunseeker.

鈥 Assignment last updated by ProfWellman ( talk) 20:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC) reply

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Merge suggestion

Someone has suggested 1989 events in Mauritania and Senegal be merged into this article. I would suggest that while these topics contain much overlap, the internal ethnic conflict and refugee crisis of the 1989 events in Mauritania and Senegal might be renamed to show the existing focus of that article is on Mauritania, and the events which caused a massive refugee outpouring into Senegal. This article, the Mauritania鈥揝enegal_Border_War is one consequence of that crisis, but only one, and should remain a separate article. Should the other article be renamed 1989 events in Mauritania or 1989 ethnic conflict in Mauritania or 1989 Mauritanian refugee crisis? Suggestions and difference of opinion can only help here! T L Miles ( talk) 18:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC) reply

In the interim, someone has both combined these articles (without discussion or even edit summaries) and then removed large sections of them, specifically removing anything referencing skin-color based conflict. I'm tempted to just revert several years of edits, as this thing now is almost worse than having no article at all (and for the riots, mass killings, ethnic violence etc in Mauritania that sparked this war, there IS no article). See changes here. All in all, this is an unreferenced POV nationalist mess. T L Miles ( talk) 16:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC) reply
Agreed. The current article, even with the incorporation of the French article, still fails to mention a lot of the later violence. I'll try and expand these sections. MrPenguin20 ( talk) 03:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Possible way out of this mess of an article

Take a look at fr:Conflit_s茅n茅galo-mauritanien, the French language equivalent of this. It is short and does not fully cover the territory, but it is a neutral, well referenced, start. A complete wipe-out of the current English article and its replacement by a translation of the French article would be a good start. Below is the quite useful bibliography of the French language article (which contains English language sources).

Bibliography

  • J. V. Magistro, 芦聽Crossing Over: Ethnicity and Transboundary Conflict in the Senegal River Valley聽禄, Cahiers d'茅tudes africaines, XXXIII-2 (130), p. 201-232
  • R. Parker, 芦聽The Senegal-Mauritania Conflict of 1989: a Fragile Equilibrium聽禄, Journal of Modern African Studies, n掳 29, 1 (1991), p. 155-171
  • Livre blanc sur le diff茅rend avec le S茅n茅gal, Nouakchott, R茅publique Islamique de Mauritanie, 1989, 79 p. (suppl茅ment Chaab, 31 ao没t 1989)
  • Journalisme et conflits dans la vall茅e du fleuve S茅n茅gal, publication tir茅e du s茅minaire "Environnement et gestion de l'espace frontalier dans la Vall茅e du fleuve S茅n茅gal聽: quelles responsabilit茅s des journalistes en mati猫re de pr茅vention des conflits?", organis茅 par l'Institut Panos et l'universit茅 de Saint-Louis du S茅n茅gal, du 8 au 18 ao没t 1994, Paris, L'Harmattan, 1996, 172 p. ISBN: 2738445322
  • Charles Becker et Andr茅 Lericollais, 芦聽Le probl猫me frontalier dans le conflit s茅n茅galo-mauritanien聽禄, Politique africaine, n掳 35, 1989, p. 149-155
  • Abdoulaye Mamadou Dia, Les conflits entre s茅dentaires et nomades dans la vall茅e du S茅n茅gal (Fuuta Tooro) de la fin de la conqu锚te coloniale 脿 l鈥檌nd茅pendance de la Mauritanie et du S茅n茅gal. Approche critique des sources, Dakar, Universit茅 Cheikh Anta Diop, 1990, 42 p. (M茅moire de DEA)
  • Momar Coumba Diop et Mamadou Diouf, 芦聽Le conflit s茅n茅galo-mauritanien聽禄 dans Le S茅n茅gal sous Abdou Diouf, Paris, Karthala, 1990, p. 387-404 ISBN: 2-86537-275-8
  • Marion Fresia, Les Mauritaniens r茅fugi茅s au S茅n茅gal聽: une anthropologie critique de l'asile et de l'aide humanitaire, L'Harmattan, Paris, 2009, 379 p. ISBN: 978-2-296-07730-0 (texte remani茅 d'une th猫se de doctorat d'Anthropologie sociale et ethnologie, EHESS, Paris, 2005)
  • Christian Santoir, 芦聽Les Peul "refus茅s". Les Peul mauritaniens r茅fugi茅s au S茅n茅gal (d茅partement de Matam)聽禄, Cahiers des sciences humaines, 1990, vol. 26, n掳 4, p. 577-603
  • Christian Santoir, 芦聽D'une rive 脿 l'autre. Les Peul mauritaniens r茅fugi茅s au S茅n茅gal (d茅partement de Dagana et Podor)聽禄, Cahiers des sciences humaines, 1990, vol. 29, n掳 1, p. 195-229
  • J. Schmitz, 芦聽Anthropologie des conflits fonciers et hydropolitiques du fleuve S茅n茅gal (1975-1991)聽禄, Cahiers des Sciences humaines, 1993, vol. 29, n掳 4, p. 591-623
  • C茅line Vandermotten, G茅opolitique de la vall茅e du S茅n茅gal. Les flots de la discorde, Paris, L鈥橦armattan, juin 2004, 165 p. ISBN: 2-7475-5855-X


Good idea, and thanks for the sources. I've translated the French article and integrated it with the existing article. I'll work on going through the sources provided though to try and expand the article. At the moment the article only really talks about the early border conflict and expulsions, and not the ensuing violence seen over the next few years. Any further help with expanding the article would be much appreciated! MrPenguin20 ( talk) 03:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Wiki Education assignment: Aid, Arms, and Armies - The Politics of Intervention in Africa

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 2 February 2023 and 8 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): JSCC3412 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: WadeBucket, Earthboundsunseeker.

鈥 Assignment last updated by ProfWellman ( talk) 20:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC) reply


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