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So where did the final bullet(s) that killed Clemmons hit? In the head? In the gut? The chest? I'm hoping it was the head. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.16.201 ( talk) 23:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Hope for the gut...a slower death... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.160.166 ( talk) 08:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Although there is already a Lakewood police officer shooting page, I've started a separate one for Maurice Clemmons. (Previously there was a redirect here to that page.) Normally I would probably condone one for just the event, but there is clearly already enough in Clemmons' past to establish notability prior to the shooting. Specifically, his many crimes prior to the shooting, and the commuted sentence by Mike Huckabee. — Hunter Kahn ( c) 16:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey, this page is now linked to on the front page of Google news. -- Sancho Mandoval ( talk) 17:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Hunter Kahn, you have done so much wonderful work on this - of course it's OK as its own article. I created the redirect because I saw his name in the news, but your awesome work definitely justifies this as its own article. Grundle2600 ( talk) 20:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I love you! ... do I get a thank you too? Anyways. Depends. His previous crimes aren't too run-of-the-mill, so he might deserve his own page. Depends on what conforms during this investigation for Clemmens. Leonnatus ( talk) 05:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
If anything, I would actually vote to merge the police shooting article into this one, or leave them separate. Argel1200 ( talk) 03:00, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
You may add this to the page if you wish, it is the most recent mugshot I could find of him. http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/29/image5828938x.jpg Dbrown1986 ( talk) 22:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
A detailed criminal history in Washington state since May 2009 is articulated in this article from The Seattle Times: Four days in May set stage for Sunday's tragedy. Includes some of the Arkansas history also. N2e ( talk) 14:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody know that a condition of parole for Maurice Clemmons was that he had to leave the state? This is what happened in Wayne Dumond's case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.34.211.137 ( talk) 19:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I see this massive page about the despicable life of Maurice Clemmons, and I feel like we ought to write something about the officers who were killed as well. I'm not saying a lot, maybe just a stub about their lives, the fact that they died in this murder, and a few comments by their family members from various press articles. I know it is standard fare in the media to sensationalize the murderer and ignore the victims, but Wikipedia is better than that. In any case, I feel if the upstanding lives of these officers are not notable enough to warrant an article, the disgusting history of Clemmons is also not notable and should be merged with the article about the murders. Wikilost ( talk) 04:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Kahn. This isn't about sensationalism at all - this is a disturbing event from a deranged man that, like it or not, deserves attention. For sensationalism, go see Nancy Grace. Surfbruddah ( talk) 15:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking of filing a public information request for the clemency document (can be seen here), scanning it and including in as an image on this article. Would I be able to do that? Is there an image license for including public information that is obtained through an official public info request like that? — Hunter Kahn ( c) 07:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
According to a Seattle Times law enforcement source the name of the officer is Benjamin L. Kelly. Any reason not to include this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.2.173 ( talk) 09:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
"The 39-year-old has asked that his name and picture not be publicized" - http://www.king5.com/news/local/Officer-who-shot-Clemmons-hailed-as-a-hero-78291817.html . This is in reference to the officer. You might seriously consider deleting his name from this section and adding a note that the officer wishes that his name and picture not be publicized. ATBS 09:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC)ATBS —Preceding unsigned comment added by ATBS ( talk • contribs)
here is a source http://www.seattlepi.com/local/412791_kelly01.html 72.155.225.239 ( talk) 21:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Talk:Maurice Clemmons/Archive 1/GA1
The picture of his dead body does not seem necessary for wikipedia. It seems to be better suited for the underbelly of the internet.
Will somebody please think of the children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.23.229 ( talk) 04:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I can agree, but for some reason I find it funny 96.250.83.177 ( talk) 05:09, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
South American reporters expose bodies in the street. Watered down and out of Reality in the U. S. A., censorial claiming reporters are well developed to witness what they edit out, how Healthy did you want you and children to be? -- Thomas D. T. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.124.106 ( talk) 09:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
It was fitting that Clemmons was in that category, but should he still be there now that he has died? Oftentimes when a fugitive dies the authorities call it off. USN1977 ( talk) 05:28, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
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So where did the final bullet(s) that killed Clemmons hit? In the head? In the gut? The chest? I'm hoping it was the head. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.48.16.201 ( talk) 23:49, 2 December 2009 (UTC) Hope for the gut...a slower death... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.160.166 ( talk) 08:55, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Although there is already a Lakewood police officer shooting page, I've started a separate one for Maurice Clemmons. (Previously there was a redirect here to that page.) Normally I would probably condone one for just the event, but there is clearly already enough in Clemmons' past to establish notability prior to the shooting. Specifically, his many crimes prior to the shooting, and the commuted sentence by Mike Huckabee. — Hunter Kahn ( c) 16:48, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Hey, this page is now linked to on the front page of Google news. -- Sancho Mandoval ( talk) 17:40, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Hunter Kahn, you have done so much wonderful work on this - of course it's OK as its own article. I created the redirect because I saw his name in the news, but your awesome work definitely justifies this as its own article. Grundle2600 ( talk) 20:04, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I love you! ... do I get a thank you too? Anyways. Depends. His previous crimes aren't too run-of-the-mill, so he might deserve his own page. Depends on what conforms during this investigation for Clemmens. Leonnatus ( talk) 05:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
If anything, I would actually vote to merge the police shooting article into this one, or leave them separate. Argel1200 ( talk) 03:00, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
You may add this to the page if you wish, it is the most recent mugshot I could find of him. http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/11/29/image5828938x.jpg Dbrown1986 ( talk) 22:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
A detailed criminal history in Washington state since May 2009 is articulated in this article from The Seattle Times: Four days in May set stage for Sunday's tragedy. Includes some of the Arkansas history also. N2e ( talk) 14:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Does anybody know that a condition of parole for Maurice Clemmons was that he had to leave the state? This is what happened in Wayne Dumond's case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.34.211.137 ( talk) 19:31, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I see this massive page about the despicable life of Maurice Clemmons, and I feel like we ought to write something about the officers who were killed as well. I'm not saying a lot, maybe just a stub about their lives, the fact that they died in this murder, and a few comments by their family members from various press articles. I know it is standard fare in the media to sensationalize the murderer and ignore the victims, but Wikipedia is better than that. In any case, I feel if the upstanding lives of these officers are not notable enough to warrant an article, the disgusting history of Clemmons is also not notable and should be merged with the article about the murders. Wikilost ( talk) 04:04, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with Kahn. This isn't about sensationalism at all - this is a disturbing event from a deranged man that, like it or not, deserves attention. For sensationalism, go see Nancy Grace. Surfbruddah ( talk) 15:42, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
I was thinking of filing a public information request for the clemency document (can be seen here), scanning it and including in as an image on this article. Would I be able to do that? Is there an image license for including public information that is obtained through an official public info request like that? — Hunter Kahn ( c) 07:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
According to a Seattle Times law enforcement source the name of the officer is Benjamin L. Kelly. Any reason not to include this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.237.2.173 ( talk) 09:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
"The 39-year-old has asked that his name and picture not be publicized" - http://www.king5.com/news/local/Officer-who-shot-Clemmons-hailed-as-a-hero-78291817.html . This is in reference to the officer. You might seriously consider deleting his name from this section and adding a note that the officer wishes that his name and picture not be publicized. ATBS 09:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC)ATBS —Preceding unsigned comment added by ATBS ( talk • contribs)
here is a source http://www.seattlepi.com/local/412791_kelly01.html 72.155.225.239 ( talk) 21:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Talk:Maurice Clemmons/Archive 1/GA1
The picture of his dead body does not seem necessary for wikipedia. It seems to be better suited for the underbelly of the internet.
Will somebody please think of the children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.23.229 ( talk) 04:42, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I can agree, but for some reason I find it funny 96.250.83.177 ( talk) 05:09, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
South American reporters expose bodies in the street. Watered down and out of Reality in the U. S. A., censorial claiming reporters are well developed to witness what they edit out, how Healthy did you want you and children to be? -- Thomas D. T. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.165.124.106 ( talk) 09:26, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
It was fitting that Clemmons was in that category, but should he still be there now that he has died? Oftentimes when a fugitive dies the authorities call it off. USN1977 ( talk) 05:28, 13 January 2012 (UTC)