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I'm not seeing this statement being factual: "nationalistic, non-conformist, and anti-semitic pro-fascist journal Combat", I find it hard to believe that Camus, Sartre, and Malraux were pro-fascist?? Come on now! I believe this is an inaccurate statement.
Reading the Wikipedia article on Combat I see this:
Combat (French for "fight") was a French newspaper created during the Second World War. Originally a clandestine newspaper of the Resistance, it was headed by Albert Ollivier, Jean Bloch-Michel, Georges Altschuler and, most of all, Albert Camus. Jean-Paul Sartre, André Malraux, Emmanuel Mounier, and then Raymond Aron and Pierre Herbart also contributed to it. Its production was directed by André Bollier until Milice repression led to his death.
How can it be argued that either Combat was pro-fascist, or that Blanchot was himself pro-fascist...even if the newspaper was pro-fascist, does it necessarily follow that Blanchot was?? Guilt by association?? Christian Roess 03:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This is a different Combat from the one MB wrote for in the thirties. --Nightspore
This article is really strong in its claims and very weak in verifiability. I'm not sure how the claim that "the fascist sympathiser Georges Bataille" would be defended. For such reasons I've inserted an unreferenced tag on the article. I notice as well that some basic fact that complicate Blanchot's characterisation are left out: principally his protection of Paul Levy and the Lévinases from deportation and certain death. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sense an accusatory tone which, coupled with some selectivity in selection of facts, seems to me to undermine the neutrality of at least the pre-1945 content. Buffyg 14:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like to openly call the bluff of the editor alledging that Bataille was a fascist sympathizer. Present named sources, or shut up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.29.184 ( talk) 05:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Buffyg that there are some problems regarding the "verifiability" of some of those statements...and to characterize Georges Bataille as a fascist sympathiser is ridiculous. And yes, I have read somewhere about Blanchot's intercession with Emmanuel Lévinas and his wife. Excellent points here by Buffyg.
BUT this article is much improved thanks to recent editors, probably the anonymous contibutor listed as 81.156.70.59 and the changes this particular editor made on 3 December 2006.
I'll do some research in the next 2 weeks or so on Blancot's help to Lévinas...I have the essay somewhere that Lévinas himself wrote regarding Blanchot...meanwhile, I'm sure someone will pitch in here before I get to it. Christian Roess 03:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm skeptical of the ip-address person's assertion that Jean Louis Loubet del Bayle called MB a collaborationist -- unless he meant a contributing editor type of thing to iffy journals. I read the book many years ago and there was not such claim then, and even Mehlmann (who cites it) says no such thing. So I'm deleting this for now -- if he or she can cite a relevant passage then I hope he or she will.
Nightspore
22:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Nightspore
At any rate, I added the "weasel words" tag to the article disputing the neutrality of the "facts", and so on.... Christian Roess 15:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
As written, I don't know what the author was trying to say, especially with the pharse "shot through":
"Blanchot also draws heavily from Franz Kafka, and his fictional work (like his theoretical work) is shot through by an engagement with Kafka's writing."
-- chemica ( talk) 03:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Despite his reclusiveness, and the scarcity of archival information on his private life, several good pictures exist of a young Blanchot in the company of Levinas and other friends. Should I add them ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.29.184 ( talk) 05:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Apologies for newbie interjection, but Blanchot was very much against his picture being taken, or extensive biographical information revealed; I feel having a picture of him is fairly disrespectful, tough I can see why it is there and why you wouldn't want to take it down. For that reason, I wouldn't recommend adding more pictures of him, let alone keeping this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.13.150 ( talk) 09:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
-He's a public figure, he cooperated with Bident's biography, he's dead, he posed for the photos so at some point he wasn't against them, and at a much later point he was willing to talk to a biographer. He also wrote private letters that he wanted to be part of the public record after his death. And then: he writes extensively about Kafka's journals and fiction, as well as the journals and letters of many other writers: Rilke, Woolf, etc. So there's no reason to think he would have expected or felt entitled to demand discretion after his death, despite the fact that he was himself so amazingly discreet. I admire his discretion about himself, but don't think it translates at all into a moral requirement that others be discreet as well. Nightspore ( talk) 13:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Le Pas au-delà is translated as "The Step Not Beyond". Is this the title that is used in English?
There are two literal translations of the phrase le pas au-delà: "The Step Beyond" and "The Not Beyond". The French title is therefore a pun, but neither literal translation captures this. "The Step Not Beyond" translates both meanings, but loses the pun. This would be a translation of the French "Le Pas pas au-delà". Is this what is intended? — Paul G ( talk) 11:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The problem is no, if he is or not a fascist. Of corse he was part of the far right he was a tradionalist, an antimarxist, anti democratic, antiliberal, and he participate in fascsit, procatolic, or pro maurras magazins. He hated Sarte and surely he wanted a goverment such as the one in germany and Italy. -- 190.25.174.58 ( talk) 20:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand the passage, 'During The Satanic Verses controversy, Blanchot invited Salman Rushdie and Ayatollah Khomeini wrote a piece dramatizing his view of the relation of the book to the dialogue between people who confront each other as others by writing a kind of parable: "I invite Rushdie to my house (in the South); I invite to my house the descendant or successor of Khomeiny. I will be between the two of you, and the Koran also. It will pronounce a judgment. Come." ' The first part of it is not even grammatical - there's no transition from "Blanchot invited Salman Rushdie and Ayatollah Khomeini" to "wrote a piece dramatizing", etc. UserVOBO ( talk) 22:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I tried to honor your desire to include a pretty trivial moment in an unimportant squib by Blanchot. An invitation goes to people -- Blanchot was not writing to either Rushdie to anyone in Iran. He was writing about how religions of the book are perverted by literalists who ignore the book and feel entitled instead to call for the murders of others. The Telegraph and Guardian snarkily included this in their obits, and in doing so gave ludicrous prominence to a set of sentences that they misinterpreted and that are of almost no significance to any understanding of Blanchot. In order to be accurate I cited the sentences in full, which would allow readers of the article to assess their meaning. It's completely wrong to treat this as though Blanchot was imagining that such a meeting would ever take place. It makes him look like a fool (as some of the ludicrous web accounts of his piece have claimed) rather than a provocateur (which is how his extremely well-informed biographer Bidient reads this). Nightspore ( talk) 23:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)Nightspore
This is entry is very messy. I am going to try and clean it up a bit and add citations. Strangely, it seems to have got a lot worse since I last looked at it a few years ago. There are many non sequiturs (sentences added that don't seem to go anywhere or develop any idea) and many self-serving additions (someone, for example has added numerous French commentaries in the secondary literature as though they were the main sources for English speakers on Blanchot).
Ironically, considering the import of Blanchot writings, there appears to be an excessive interest in his personal life. As usual the difficult task of making comprehensible someone's thought is avoided by obsessing about their lives. Drwilllarge ( talk) 06:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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I'm not seeing this statement being factual: "nationalistic, non-conformist, and anti-semitic pro-fascist journal Combat", I find it hard to believe that Camus, Sartre, and Malraux were pro-fascist?? Come on now! I believe this is an inaccurate statement.
Reading the Wikipedia article on Combat I see this:
Combat (French for "fight") was a French newspaper created during the Second World War. Originally a clandestine newspaper of the Resistance, it was headed by Albert Ollivier, Jean Bloch-Michel, Georges Altschuler and, most of all, Albert Camus. Jean-Paul Sartre, André Malraux, Emmanuel Mounier, and then Raymond Aron and Pierre Herbart also contributed to it. Its production was directed by André Bollier until Milice repression led to his death.
How can it be argued that either Combat was pro-fascist, or that Blanchot was himself pro-fascist...even if the newspaper was pro-fascist, does it necessarily follow that Blanchot was?? Guilt by association?? Christian Roess 03:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
This is a different Combat from the one MB wrote for in the thirties. --Nightspore
This article is really strong in its claims and very weak in verifiability. I'm not sure how the claim that "the fascist sympathiser Georges Bataille" would be defended. For such reasons I've inserted an unreferenced tag on the article. I notice as well that some basic fact that complicate Blanchot's characterisation are left out: principally his protection of Paul Levy and the Lévinases from deportation and certain death. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sense an accusatory tone which, coupled with some selectivity in selection of facts, seems to me to undermine the neutrality of at least the pre-1945 content. Buffyg 14:42, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
I would like to openly call the bluff of the editor alledging that Bataille was a fascist sympathizer. Present named sources, or shut up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.29.184 ( talk) 05:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Buffyg that there are some problems regarding the "verifiability" of some of those statements...and to characterize Georges Bataille as a fascist sympathiser is ridiculous. And yes, I have read somewhere about Blanchot's intercession with Emmanuel Lévinas and his wife. Excellent points here by Buffyg.
BUT this article is much improved thanks to recent editors, probably the anonymous contibutor listed as 81.156.70.59 and the changes this particular editor made on 3 December 2006.
I'll do some research in the next 2 weeks or so on Blancot's help to Lévinas...I have the essay somewhere that Lévinas himself wrote regarding Blanchot...meanwhile, I'm sure someone will pitch in here before I get to it. Christian Roess 03:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm skeptical of the ip-address person's assertion that Jean Louis Loubet del Bayle called MB a collaborationist -- unless he meant a contributing editor type of thing to iffy journals. I read the book many years ago and there was not such claim then, and even Mehlmann (who cites it) says no such thing. So I'm deleting this for now -- if he or she can cite a relevant passage then I hope he or she will.
Nightspore
22:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)Nightspore
At any rate, I added the "weasel words" tag to the article disputing the neutrality of the "facts", and so on.... Christian Roess 15:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 14:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
As written, I don't know what the author was trying to say, especially with the pharse "shot through":
"Blanchot also draws heavily from Franz Kafka, and his fictional work (like his theoretical work) is shot through by an engagement with Kafka's writing."
-- chemica ( talk) 03:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Despite his reclusiveness, and the scarcity of archival information on his private life, several good pictures exist of a young Blanchot in the company of Levinas and other friends. Should I add them ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.29.184 ( talk) 05:36, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Apologies for newbie interjection, but Blanchot was very much against his picture being taken, or extensive biographical information revealed; I feel having a picture of him is fairly disrespectful, tough I can see why it is there and why you wouldn't want to take it down. For that reason, I wouldn't recommend adding more pictures of him, let alone keeping this one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.13.150 ( talk) 09:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
-He's a public figure, he cooperated with Bident's biography, he's dead, he posed for the photos so at some point he wasn't against them, and at a much later point he was willing to talk to a biographer. He also wrote private letters that he wanted to be part of the public record after his death. And then: he writes extensively about Kafka's journals and fiction, as well as the journals and letters of many other writers: Rilke, Woolf, etc. So there's no reason to think he would have expected or felt entitled to demand discretion after his death, despite the fact that he was himself so amazingly discreet. I admire his discretion about himself, but don't think it translates at all into a moral requirement that others be discreet as well. Nightspore ( talk) 13:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Le Pas au-delà is translated as "The Step Not Beyond". Is this the title that is used in English?
There are two literal translations of the phrase le pas au-delà: "The Step Beyond" and "The Not Beyond". The French title is therefore a pun, but neither literal translation captures this. "The Step Not Beyond" translates both meanings, but loses the pun. This would be a translation of the French "Le Pas pas au-delà". Is this what is intended? — Paul G ( talk) 11:18, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The problem is no, if he is or not a fascist. Of corse he was part of the far right he was a tradionalist, an antimarxist, anti democratic, antiliberal, and he participate in fascsit, procatolic, or pro maurras magazins. He hated Sarte and surely he wanted a goverment such as the one in germany and Italy. -- 190.25.174.58 ( talk) 20:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand the passage, 'During The Satanic Verses controversy, Blanchot invited Salman Rushdie and Ayatollah Khomeini wrote a piece dramatizing his view of the relation of the book to the dialogue between people who confront each other as others by writing a kind of parable: "I invite Rushdie to my house (in the South); I invite to my house the descendant or successor of Khomeiny. I will be between the two of you, and the Koran also. It will pronounce a judgment. Come." ' The first part of it is not even grammatical - there's no transition from "Blanchot invited Salman Rushdie and Ayatollah Khomeini" to "wrote a piece dramatizing", etc. UserVOBO ( talk) 22:17, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
I tried to honor your desire to include a pretty trivial moment in an unimportant squib by Blanchot. An invitation goes to people -- Blanchot was not writing to either Rushdie to anyone in Iran. He was writing about how religions of the book are perverted by literalists who ignore the book and feel entitled instead to call for the murders of others. The Telegraph and Guardian snarkily included this in their obits, and in doing so gave ludicrous prominence to a set of sentences that they misinterpreted and that are of almost no significance to any understanding of Blanchot. In order to be accurate I cited the sentences in full, which would allow readers of the article to assess their meaning. It's completely wrong to treat this as though Blanchot was imagining that such a meeting would ever take place. It makes him look like a fool (as some of the ludicrous web accounts of his piece have claimed) rather than a provocateur (which is how his extremely well-informed biographer Bidient reads this). Nightspore ( talk) 23:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)Nightspore
This is entry is very messy. I am going to try and clean it up a bit and add citations. Strangely, it seems to have got a lot worse since I last looked at it a few years ago. There are many non sequiturs (sentences added that don't seem to go anywhere or develop any idea) and many self-serving additions (someone, for example has added numerous French commentaries in the secondary literature as though they were the main sources for English speakers on Blanchot).
Ironically, considering the import of Blanchot writings, there appears to be an excessive interest in his personal life. As usual the difficult task of making comprehensible someone's thought is avoided by obsessing about their lives. Drwilllarge ( talk) 06:11, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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