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Hi, I reverted the work of 67.170.224.36 which appears to be either an attempt at original research or a personal rant. Regardless, it is not NPOV and doesn't belong in the quotes section. I hope the author of this material will take the time to include it in the article more professionally. Coleca 08:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Maurice Allais cannot be considered a physicist even though he made some claims related to physics. He has no peer-reviewed publications in this field and his claims are highly controversial at best. This is not enough by any standard to claim oneself a physicist the same way as no well known physicist expressing opinions on economics could be considered an economist. LeYaYa 13:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I vaguely remember to have seen a very plausible sounding explanation that it was caused by air pressure changes that occur during an eclipse, but I don't remember the reference. Maybe someone else knows? Harald88 15:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Moroder, I revert your edits as they were incompatible with policy. As you are unexperienced, here is an explanation:
Harald88 19:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
harry, I took out your reference to the crackpot website www.anti-relativity.com
Moroder -
This is not the same situation as twin paradox. Under WP:NPOV, you cannot just tear into the subject (or subjects) of the article. You simply cannot write things like "[This paper] suffers from the conspicous absence of experimental error bars". However, you can say that the paper has been criticised for lacking experimental error bars, and provide a supporting reference.
Think of yourself as a reporter here, and remember that your audience is the general public, and not just fellow scientists. Your job is to report the facts in the text, not to judge them. That Allais' article "suffers" is very biased terminology which violates WP:NPOV. However noting that it has been "criticized as suffering ..." is not as you are now reporting another fact. I advise reading WP:NPOV#Let_the_facts_speak_for_themselves and WP:NPOV#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements.
Note that I fully support your content. The issues are in the style and the tone. -- EMS | Talk 04:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The flow and wording of your addition are not good. Please read it over carefully and fix it up. It just does not read well. -- EMS | Talk 16:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Moroder - As I read and reread what you wrote, it became more and more obvious that you are just trashing the newer Allias article with a few references added. It is not NPOV to outright trash an article like that. You keep writing first-person opinions instead of third-person opinions (i.e. "this article suffers ...." instead of "X has shown that this new article suffers ..."). Also, by expanding the assiciated text you are giving added importance to this newer article at the expense of the other, better known work. That is also inappropriate.
I did make one change in the revert: I added spacing above the note that modern experiments comfirm the predictions of SR to make it more prominent. The difference is subtle, but it brings ones eyes to the most important thing about these articles. -- EMS | Talk 17:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I structured the text to separate his economics and physics activity. In the physics paragraph, I tried to highlight the fact that the important contribution of Allais was to experiment with gravity, which give reproducible effects. His claims are secondary (the preceding version reduced his contribution in physics to his controversial claims). Arjen Dijksman 22:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I feel uncomfortable with the end of:
The claim of anisotropy of space is considered by mainstream physics to be refuted by modern precision experiments which have continually verified the relativity predictions. [3] [4]
The results in the first reference (KT test) need some explanation. Does it fully agree with relativity prediction? For that same test, what would Allais predict? It is not clear whether this test discriminates between both predictions.
The second reference describes a proposed test which has not yet given any results: it is not part of the modern precision experiments which have continuously verified the relativity predictions.
Arjen Dijksman
20:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
. Well, "generally considered" is an euphemism: the most precise experiences designed specially to find anisotropy showed a null result. Barraki 10:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)The claim of anisotropy of space is generally considered to be incompatible with many modern experiments that have not shown any such anomalities. [1]
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
If I remember well (I think I saw it on a NASA website), his pendulum experiments have been repeated by many other scientists with mixed results. Surely that's interesting and worthwhile of mention; hopefully someone else remembers the details and references. Harald88 18:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The quote:
Source: La Crise mondiale d’aujourd’hui. Pour de profondes réformes des institutions financières et monétaires., Maurice Allais, éd. Clément Juglar, 1999, p. 110. Note 2.
The article had a brief summary of his pathbreaking work in economics (the reason he has a WP article) followed by a long section on his amateur/fringe work in physics. I've greatly shortened the physics stuff, and will try to expand the economics over time. JQ ( talk) 06:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
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"They formalize the self-regulation of markets, which Keynes refuted but reiterated some of Allais's ideas." What is this sentence trying to say? If Keynes reiterated some of Allais' ideas, the sentence structure is wrong, the part after 'but' does not connect to the referent of 'which'. Tawiscaron ( talk) 18:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, I reverted the work of 67.170.224.36 which appears to be either an attempt at original research or a personal rant. Regardless, it is not NPOV and doesn't belong in the quotes section. I hope the author of this material will take the time to include it in the article more professionally. Coleca 08:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Maurice Allais cannot be considered a physicist even though he made some claims related to physics. He has no peer-reviewed publications in this field and his claims are highly controversial at best. This is not enough by any standard to claim oneself a physicist the same way as no well known physicist expressing opinions on economics could be considered an economist. LeYaYa 13:08, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I vaguely remember to have seen a very plausible sounding explanation that it was caused by air pressure changes that occur during an eclipse, but I don't remember the reference. Maybe someone else knows? Harald88 15:25, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Moroder, I revert your edits as they were incompatible with policy. As you are unexperienced, here is an explanation:
Harald88 19:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
harry, I took out your reference to the crackpot website www.anti-relativity.com
Moroder -
This is not the same situation as twin paradox. Under WP:NPOV, you cannot just tear into the subject (or subjects) of the article. You simply cannot write things like "[This paper] suffers from the conspicous absence of experimental error bars". However, you can say that the paper has been criticised for lacking experimental error bars, and provide a supporting reference.
Think of yourself as a reporter here, and remember that your audience is the general public, and not just fellow scientists. Your job is to report the facts in the text, not to judge them. That Allais' article "suffers" is very biased terminology which violates WP:NPOV. However noting that it has been "criticized as suffering ..." is not as you are now reporting another fact. I advise reading WP:NPOV#Let_the_facts_speak_for_themselves and WP:NPOV#Attributing_and_substantiating_biased_statements.
Note that I fully support your content. The issues are in the style and the tone. -- EMS | Talk 04:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
The flow and wording of your addition are not good. Please read it over carefully and fix it up. It just does not read well. -- EMS | Talk 16:40, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Moroder - As I read and reread what you wrote, it became more and more obvious that you are just trashing the newer Allias article with a few references added. It is not NPOV to outright trash an article like that. You keep writing first-person opinions instead of third-person opinions (i.e. "this article suffers ...." instead of "X has shown that this new article suffers ..."). Also, by expanding the assiciated text you are giving added importance to this newer article at the expense of the other, better known work. That is also inappropriate.
I did make one change in the revert: I added spacing above the note that modern experiments comfirm the predictions of SR to make it more prominent. The difference is subtle, but it brings ones eyes to the most important thing about these articles. -- EMS | Talk 17:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
I structured the text to separate his economics and physics activity. In the physics paragraph, I tried to highlight the fact that the important contribution of Allais was to experiment with gravity, which give reproducible effects. His claims are secondary (the preceding version reduced his contribution in physics to his controversial claims). Arjen Dijksman 22:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
I feel uncomfortable with the end of:
The claim of anisotropy of space is considered by mainstream physics to be refuted by modern precision experiments which have continually verified the relativity predictions. [3] [4]
The results in the first reference (KT test) need some explanation. Does it fully agree with relativity prediction? For that same test, what would Allais predict? It is not clear whether this test discriminates between both predictions.
The second reference describes a proposed test which has not yet given any results: it is not part of the modern precision experiments which have continuously verified the relativity predictions.
Arjen Dijksman
20:46, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
. Well, "generally considered" is an euphemism: the most precise experiences designed specially to find anisotropy showed a null result. Barraki 10:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)The claim of anisotropy of space is generally considered to be incompatible with many modern experiments that have not shown any such anomalities. [1]
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:41, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
If I remember well (I think I saw it on a NASA website), his pendulum experiments have been repeated by many other scientists with mixed results. Surely that's interesting and worthwhile of mention; hopefully someone else remembers the details and references. Harald88 18:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
The quote:
Source: La Crise mondiale d’aujourd’hui. Pour de profondes réformes des institutions financières et monétaires., Maurice Allais, éd. Clément Juglar, 1999, p. 110. Note 2.
The article had a brief summary of his pathbreaking work in economics (the reason he has a WP article) followed by a long section on his amateur/fringe work in physics. I've greatly shortened the physics stuff, and will try to expand the economics over time. JQ ( talk) 06:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
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"They formalize the self-regulation of markets, which Keynes refuted but reiterated some of Allais's ideas." What is this sentence trying to say? If Keynes reiterated some of Allais' ideas, the sentence structure is wrong, the part after 'but' does not connect to the referent of 'which'. Tawiscaron ( talk) 18:15, 3 March 2024 (UTC)