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there seems to be significant disagreement over this person's actions and motivation.
please, rather than debate by editing, discuss these changes on the talk page before reverting.
thanks again kids, Saintstephen000 ( talk) Saintstephen000 ( talk) 16:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi Launchballer, thanks for the history merge requests. I'm unsure about the second one. Can you provide two permalinks, one from Matthew Healy and one from Matty Healy, which look so similar that they prove a copy-and-paste move? ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 18:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
I don’t have enough edits in order to edit a semi-protected page but this page appears to have extreme bias against this individual and appears to be written by someone with a clear agenda. I think this needs to be cleaned up. Theeadbaresleeve ( talk) 18:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Hard agree with the first two users above, it definitely needs a clear-up. 82.13.161.32 ( talk) 19:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Let's make sure this discussion goes forward with the understanding that the material at issue is sourced. The statements in the lede are not directly sourced. The support for them is in the article body and its sources. (From MOS:LEADCITE, there may be decision that needs to be made balancing redundancy against the value of direct citations in the lede.) So not unsourced, though it leaves room for discussion about the reliability of sources like PopBuzz. signed, Willondon ( talk) 20:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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change: He is noted for his erratic behaviour on-stage, his social media activity, and for a number of other controversial comments, which have resulted in him being accused variously of misogyny, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, antisemitism, and endangering fans' lives.
new: He is noted as a songwriter and performer who questions seemingly normal elements of modern society - from online dating to cancel culture. He has been praised for his activism around LGBTQ+ rights, climate change, and racial inequality while also speaking out against misogyny in the music industry.
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change: "In July 2017, he was accused of racism after the 1975's guitarist Adam Hann uploaded an Instagram Live story in which Healy mimed the n-word as part of Aminé's Caroline."
new: "In July 2017, he was accused of racism after The 1975's guitarist Adam Hann uploaded an Instagram Live in which people thought Healy had mimed the n-word while dancing to Aminé's Caroline despite Healy's mouth not being visible in the video."
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change: "In May 2020, Healy was accused online of using the death of George Floyd to promote the 1975's album Notes on a Conditional Form,[51] after tweeting that "[i]f you truly believe that ‘ALL LIVES MATTER’ you need to stop facilitating the end of black ones", and posting a link to Love It If We Made It.[52] He responded by deleting the posts, apologising by stating 'the song is literally about this disgusting situation and speaks more eloquently than I can on Twitter', reposting them separately, and then deleting his account;[53] discussing the incident in October 2022, Healy stated that the post was motivated by four days of fans asking for his opinion, and that the money he earned for streaming made the song unworth promoting anyway."
new: In May 2020, Healy was accused online of using the death of George Floyd to promote the 1975's album A Brief Inquiry into Online Relationships, after tweeting that "[i]f you truly believe that ‘ALL LIVES MATTER’ you need to stop facilitating the end of black ones", and posting a link to Love It If We Made It, which had come out two years earlier on the album.[52] In the song's lyrics, Healy protests the violence and persecution Black people in America face writing, "Selling melanin and then suffocate the black men / Start with misdemeanors and we'll make a business out of them." Previouly, Healy had stated that he refused to do meet and greets in the US a long as gun violence continued to be an issue, citing both fears for his own life and a frustration with the gun violence perpetrated by police towards Black people in America. [1] Heymonicakim ( talk) 18:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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This article is so stupid, why continuously attack him and make him out to be an utter arsehole but not proceed to comment on all the good things he's done. The way this is worded is so wrong especially the health topic and needs to be edited asap Darciemae ( talk) 19:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change: Healy's media appearances regularly cause controversy. In March 2016, he was accused of misogyny after describing the notion of dating Taylor Swift as a "de-masculinating, emasculating thing"; he was on that occasion defended by the interviewer,[22] and in November 2016, he told The Guardian such concerns were out of not wanting two allegedly giant egos clashing and him coming off second best.[7] In December 2018, Healy apologised after stating that "the reason misogyny doesn't happen in rock and roll anymore is because it's a vocabulary that existed for so long that it got weeded out".[23]
New: Healy's media appearances regularly cause both controversy and praise. In March 2016, he was accused of misogyny after describing the notion of dating Taylor Swift as a "de-masculinating, emasculating thing"; he was on that occasion defended by the interviewer,[22] and in November 2016, he told The Guardian such concerns were out of not wanting two allegedly giant egos clashing and him coming off second best.[7] In December 2018, Healy apologised after stating that "the reason misogyny doesn't happen in rock and roll anymore is because it's a vocabulary that existed for so long that it got weeded out".[23] In 2019, Healy spoke out against misogyny in the music industry during his acceptance speech at the Brit Awards. After giving thanks for the award, he quoted The Guardian‘s Laura Snapes, "She said that in music, male misogynists acts are examined for nuance and defended as traits of difficult artists. Whilst women and those that call them out are treated as hysterics who don’t understand art.” [1] When asked about the choice, Healy said, "I think it’s important that we hear a woman’s voice over a man’s voice." [2]
He also spoke out against anti-abortion laws in Alabama during a festival in 2019. Healy told the crowd, "The reason I’m so angry is because I don’t believe [the ban] is about the preservation of life; I believe it’s about the controlling of women." He continued the speech with, "There’s people, men in the active government, actively comparing the harrowing difficult life choices of female American citizens to the Holocaust — to the Holocaust. That is a disgrace. If you think the Holocaust is analogous to those things, people will call you a monster, but I will tell you, you are fundamentally uneducated." [3] Heymonicakim ( talk) 20:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
|answered= how is the current wording not also a violation?
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remove: He is noted for his erratic behaviour on-stage, his social media activity, and for a number of other controversial comments, which have resulted in him being accused variously of misogyny, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, antisemitism, and endangering fans' lives.
new: He is noted as a songwriter and performer who questions seemingly normal elements of modern society - from online dating to cancel culture. He has been praised for his activism around LGBTQ+ rights, climate change, and racial inequality while also speaking out against misogyny in the music industry. Heymonicakim ( talk) 20:22, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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Matty Healy has been listed at Articles for deletion ( nomination), but it was protected, so it could not be tagged. Please add:
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In the interest of moving editing forward, since there are a lot of connected parts to our quandary, I suggest we start with an agreement on recrafting the last paragraph in the lede, by drawing on other sourced content in the body that is not represented now (i.e. not new sources and content). In my view, that would be a simple but effective way of restoring some balance, and one amenable to achieving consensus. I'll start:
That could go a long way to resolving some issues. My two cents. signed, Willondon ( talk) 22:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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After reading this, I can't help but feel that it does have a negative bias towards Matty Healy. While the information provided may be (in certain parts) factual, this page seems to focus primarily on Healy's controversies, even attributing him labels like misogyny, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, antisemitism, and even of "fan endangerment" (lol????). However, many of these accusations have been sensationalized and exaggerated in the media, and it's not clear whether they're entirely accurate. In fact, some of the sources used on this page seem to be tabloids (low-quality and unreliable sources) that are known for their sensationalized reporting and their tendency to exaggerate or twist the truth to sell a story. It's not fair to paint someone as a hateful or bigoted person based on these kinds of polarizing views. Moreover, I consider that it's important to approach any information or claims made on social media platforms like Twitter or TikTok with a critical eye and to verify the accuracy of the information before accepting it as true (which is clearly not done here). On the other hand, it is abundantly clear that this page HAS selectively cut, edited, and/or modified quotes and content from various sources to fit the narrative that it is, for some reason, trying to push. Which is both a highly unprofessional and ridiculous approach that is not only misleading, but also calls into question the credibility of the entire page.
I also think it is necessary to differentiate between actual problematic behavior and harmless interactions. For example, banter with fans, peers, and friends should obviously NOT be presented as problematic or controversial.
Furthermore, this page almost completely disregards The 1975's significant achievements as a musicians and artists, which are essential components in understanding and appreciating their journey. Instead, this page seems to selectively choose small things that are blown out of proportion or made up, potentially to cater to cancel culture, which is both disappointing and misleading. (Someone please explain to me how it makes sense that there are only TWO paragraphs dedicated to their career while the rest is all about their supposed "controversies") While it is important to mention controversies, it is also necessary to provide context and present the information accurately, without exaggeration or sensationalism. I think it's worth noting that if we are going to talk about his controversies, we should also mention what resulted from them, such as his apologies and efforts towards learning and growth. As a matter of fact, I find it quite interesting that every single one of his controversies, even the smallest/dumbest ones, are fully explored on this page, while barely any of his activism is given the same attention, and the few positive aspects that are mentioned are simply glossed over. (Even Donald Trump's Wikipedia page is more positive like... make it make sense!)
Lastly, I'll like to add that this article's focus on negative criticisms violates many of Wikipedia's policies. (You don't see any other artists' Wikipedia pages being like "this person did this AND this is what their haters thought about it!" about every single thing.) Therefore, I suggest that either the whole article is edited, or the page is removed altogether. This article should not be made public for consumption due to its potential to mislead the reader, as it does not serve its purpose of presenting accurate and objective information.
(tl;dr: This article is completely ridiculous, awful, and incredibly biased. The writing is atrocious and all over the place. Most information is edited/cut/modified to fit an agenda. Many sources are not credible and/or were deliberately chosen to support the author's opinion.)
Violated core content policies that can be found in this article:
- Neutral point of view (NPOV)
- Verifiablity (V)
Due to the following violated content policies that according to Wikipedia a biography of a living person should have, this article can be considered an " attack page" which is why I think it should be deleted immediately:
- Writing style: tone (WP:BLPSTYLE)
- Writing style: balance (WP: BLPBALANCE)
- Gossip and feedback loops (WP: BLPGOSSIP)
- Contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced
- Etc. Ilovesadgirlmusic ( talk) 00:54, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
This section gives undue weight to some events in the subject's life. It would be better to summarize more. We need not go into such lurid, tabloidesque detail. Yes, we must follow the coverage, but we can adjust the depth we go to on Wikipedia. I leave to others how best to do this. Best -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 09:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please change [1] to [2], and [3] to [4]. I was not aware at the time of writing this article that WP:ALLMUSIC was listed as yellow on WP:RSP; while neither are controversial statements in themselves, given how controversial this article has become, I would like to see this article be watertight.-- Laun chba ller 17:34, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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@ Launchballer: You quoted the article saying he refused to apologize, with an edit summary saying we don't need the apologies. We cannot say he refused to apologize, even if we are quoting someone else, if he did in fact apologize. We should leave pout the part about the refusal or source the apology. Best -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 10:35, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
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This page is so biased and an attempt at defamation of character. Seems to overlook his musical talent as well as performance and instead focuses on his social media usage. Andrheabar ( talk) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
This page seems to be pointing out all the negatives within his career which fair enough okay? But theres no positives such as how far he has came along, awards, albums, safe space. Ect. It just feels attacky and painting an all and all bad image i feel there needs to be a positive aspect too. I love miles kane ( talk) 14:56, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
I am 100% sure that this article in the Evening Standard has copied from this article. Laun chba ller 22:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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There may be an incorrect link in the article. Under the section 'Personal life' and subsection 'Social media' there is a link to Isis (the Egyptian goddess), but I think it is meant to be ISIS (the terrorist organization). If other editors confirm this is the case, then it should be changed. 213.175.126.121 ( talk) 09:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
213.175.126.121 ( talk) 09:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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Another couple of collabs to be added to that section: Healy co-wrote 'Sleep Tight' by Holly Humberstone. [1] He also produced a couple of tracks on Pale Waves' ' My Mind Makes Noises' (referenced in that article). 2001:630:D0:500D:F444:2B10:51FD:6129 ( talk) 10:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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They’re not a “rock” band, please put “pop rock” Finbassett0 ( talk) 07:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Matty is on record via the same Adam Friedland Podcast talking about how he watches porn on a site called Ghetto Gaggers, porn that is devoted to white men racially & sexually humiliating & degrading blank women. This should be mentioned. The podcast is still on YouTube and there are now several articles out in the media covering his comments. 205.155.154.1 ( talk) 22:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/1975-star-matt-healy-slammed-28756824
I feel like more should be put in this article about how Healy IDs fans and the suspicions around why 140.241.253.196 ( talk) 18:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Again, Matty was not joking about watching porn that brutalizes black women. He was retelling a story in which he got caught watching it. It was not a joke, I repeat, NOT A JOKE. 205.155.154.1 ( talk) 18:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Editor Maxen Embry is repeatedly adding opinionated language in here, erasing well sourced material, archiving recent unresolved talk page conversations, and removing twinkle tags without any discussion. I am concerned this is a paid editor. Elttaruuu ( talk) 13:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
To be clear, he wasn’t joking about watching this kind of porn. He was retelling how he got caught watching it, he called out the site he watched (Ghetto Gaggers) and mentioned in his own words about how he was watching a girl get brutalized. The description under the Controversies section of this article is damn near a full white washing of the conversation that actually took place and whoever wrote this is trying to roll it into the other comments he made despite the fact that it’s becoming the bigger story. Also, this podcast was so bad that both Apple & Spotify removed it. 205.155.154.1 ( talk) 21:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I’d like to change a word in this sentence:
“Addressing the blacklash in a profile for The New Yorker, Healy said he purposely appeared on the podcast to provoke a reaction.” “Blacklash” -> “Backlash.” Zipgyros ( talk) 19:17, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
the link doesn't lead to anything remotely like the novel usage in the quote and doesn't make sense to leave as a wikilink. 2601:182:C00:7D50:2CA1:179:6E3:F4BA ( talk) 14:07, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Change Denise's description to actor not actress. M0nkmaster ( talk) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
He is a son of actors Tim Healy and Denise Welch?
He is a son of actor Tim Healy and actor and television presenter Denise WelchARandomName123 ( talk) 22:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Obviously we mention the Malaysia incident in the article, but I think we should put in criticism from activists: i.e. that while they may appreciate the criticism Malaysia's anti-LGBTQ laws are getting because of his actions, the conservative backlash to this could be putting their lives more in danger. ( Guardian source for reference). GnocchiFan ( talk) 19:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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2001:F40:95A:3901:547C:6B93:45B8:6EF ( talk) 17:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
He has relatives in County Cork, Ireland on his father side. I’d say its fair important to include that. His roots are an important matter.- ELLEN MANNION
I'd just like to point out that, as of July 26, 2023, Matty Healy has the link to his own Wikipedia article on his Instagram page. (www.instagram.com/trumanblack) Think it's worth mentioning, given the possibility that he's sending his fans here to make him look more favorable. Joker123192 ( talk) 00:17, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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These are two requests regarding the 'Public image' section:
This is not a request but a comment regarding that 'Public image' heading. The whole section is overloaded and difficult to read, and it should be split into more sub-headings like the one I requested above "Podcast controversy". -- 148.252.129.143 ( talk) 18:43, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
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Under "Personal Life," the sentence stating "His maternal grandfather is a drag queen" should be changed to the past tense, as Matty's grandfather passed in 2021. TheLoreLibrarian ( talk) 16:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Recommending additions of Template:POV, Template:COI, Template:peacock
This article is written from a non-neutral and promotional POV.
Structural, stylistic, and article source quality changes are required to achieve subject neutrality for this article, warranting intervention until these changes are made. Additionally, addressing these POV/COI issues seriously is a relevant goal toward Wikipedia's policy of reducing systemic racial and gender bias in articles.
Subject Context: Matty Healy has a verifiable history of making discriminatory remarks an actions against marginalized groups and their members, including women and girls, Black, Indigenous, Arab/Muslim, and Asian people, as well as facing critique from members of LGBTQ2S+ communities for his "advocacy" actions.
The article begins discussing the subject as an advocate for various social justice causes without citing any inline sources or prominent critiques to the contrary from members of the aforementioned communities. (recommend addition of Template:POV section or Template:POV lead)
In the "Public Image" section, the text takes a dismissive tone of well-documented incidences of documented discrimination, reading as promotional. (recommend addition of Template:COI or Template:POV section)
There are many sources available online to affirm this request. Here are a few.
[3] Nicimos ( talk) 11:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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On "The Adam Friedland Show," Healy and the hosts roamed more or less randomly around the cultural landscape, cracking jokes. One of the hosts asked if the rapper Ice Spice, who is of Nigerian and Dominican descent, was an Inuit Spice Girl, and the group then did crude approximations of an Inuit accent, veering from vaguely Chinese to quasi-Hawaiian. Later, he laughed as the hosts did impressions of hypothetical Japanese guards at German concentration camps. He joked about watching the brutal porn channel Ghetto Gaggers. After the episode went up, outraged headlines and furious tweets—"matty healy, how are you getting on stage every night and mocking toxic masculinity and then going on a podcast and undoing the whole thing by being wildly ignorant, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, everything else under the sun"—predictably ensued.
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Link the page for Our Extended Play by Beabadoobee Porplemuncher ( talk) 23:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
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there seems to be significant disagreement over this person's actions and motivation.
please, rather than debate by editing, discuss these changes on the talk page before reverting.
thanks again kids, Saintstephen000 ( talk) Saintstephen000 ( talk) 16:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Hi Launchballer, thanks for the history merge requests. I'm unsure about the second one. Can you provide two permalinks, one from Matthew Healy and one from Matty Healy, which look so similar that they prove a copy-and-paste move? ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 18:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
I don’t have enough edits in order to edit a semi-protected page but this page appears to have extreme bias against this individual and appears to be written by someone with a clear agenda. I think this needs to be cleaned up. Theeadbaresleeve ( talk) 18:36, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Hard agree with the first two users above, it definitely needs a clear-up. 82.13.161.32 ( talk) 19:25, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Let's make sure this discussion goes forward with the understanding that the material at issue is sourced. The statements in the lede are not directly sourced. The support for them is in the article body and its sources. (From MOS:LEADCITE, there may be decision that needs to be made balancing redundancy against the value of direct citations in the lede.) So not unsourced, though it leaves room for discussion about the reliability of sources like PopBuzz. signed, Willondon ( talk) 20:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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change: He is noted for his erratic behaviour on-stage, his social media activity, and for a number of other controversial comments, which have resulted in him being accused variously of misogyny, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, antisemitism, and endangering fans' lives.
new: He is noted as a songwriter and performer who questions seemingly normal elements of modern society - from online dating to cancel culture. He has been praised for his activism around LGBTQ+ rights, climate change, and racial inequality while also speaking out against misogyny in the music industry.
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change: "In July 2017, he was accused of racism after the 1975's guitarist Adam Hann uploaded an Instagram Live story in which Healy mimed the n-word as part of Aminé's Caroline."
new: "In July 2017, he was accused of racism after The 1975's guitarist Adam Hann uploaded an Instagram Live in which people thought Healy had mimed the n-word while dancing to Aminé's Caroline despite Healy's mouth not being visible in the video."
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change: "In May 2020, Healy was accused online of using the death of George Floyd to promote the 1975's album Notes on a Conditional Form,[51] after tweeting that "[i]f you truly believe that ‘ALL LIVES MATTER’ you need to stop facilitating the end of black ones", and posting a link to Love It If We Made It.[52] He responded by deleting the posts, apologising by stating 'the song is literally about this disgusting situation and speaks more eloquently than I can on Twitter', reposting them separately, and then deleting his account;[53] discussing the incident in October 2022, Healy stated that the post was motivated by four days of fans asking for his opinion, and that the money he earned for streaming made the song unworth promoting anyway."
new: In May 2020, Healy was accused online of using the death of George Floyd to promote the 1975's album A Brief Inquiry into Online Relationships, after tweeting that "[i]f you truly believe that ‘ALL LIVES MATTER’ you need to stop facilitating the end of black ones", and posting a link to Love It If We Made It, which had come out two years earlier on the album.[52] In the song's lyrics, Healy protests the violence and persecution Black people in America face writing, "Selling melanin and then suffocate the black men / Start with misdemeanors and we'll make a business out of them." Previouly, Healy had stated that he refused to do meet and greets in the US a long as gun violence continued to be an issue, citing both fears for his own life and a frustration with the gun violence perpetrated by police towards Black people in America. [1] Heymonicakim ( talk) 18:54, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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This article is so stupid, why continuously attack him and make him out to be an utter arsehole but not proceed to comment on all the good things he's done. The way this is worded is so wrong especially the health topic and needs to be edited asap Darciemae ( talk) 19:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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Change: Healy's media appearances regularly cause controversy. In March 2016, he was accused of misogyny after describing the notion of dating Taylor Swift as a "de-masculinating, emasculating thing"; he was on that occasion defended by the interviewer,[22] and in November 2016, he told The Guardian such concerns were out of not wanting two allegedly giant egos clashing and him coming off second best.[7] In December 2018, Healy apologised after stating that "the reason misogyny doesn't happen in rock and roll anymore is because it's a vocabulary that existed for so long that it got weeded out".[23]
New: Healy's media appearances regularly cause both controversy and praise. In March 2016, he was accused of misogyny after describing the notion of dating Taylor Swift as a "de-masculinating, emasculating thing"; he was on that occasion defended by the interviewer,[22] and in November 2016, he told The Guardian such concerns were out of not wanting two allegedly giant egos clashing and him coming off second best.[7] In December 2018, Healy apologised after stating that "the reason misogyny doesn't happen in rock and roll anymore is because it's a vocabulary that existed for so long that it got weeded out".[23] In 2019, Healy spoke out against misogyny in the music industry during his acceptance speech at the Brit Awards. After giving thanks for the award, he quoted The Guardian‘s Laura Snapes, "She said that in music, male misogynists acts are examined for nuance and defended as traits of difficult artists. Whilst women and those that call them out are treated as hysterics who don’t understand art.” [1] When asked about the choice, Healy said, "I think it’s important that we hear a woman’s voice over a man’s voice." [2]
He also spoke out against anti-abortion laws in Alabama during a festival in 2019. Healy told the crowd, "The reason I’m so angry is because I don’t believe [the ban] is about the preservation of life; I believe it’s about the controlling of women." He continued the speech with, "There’s people, men in the active government, actively comparing the harrowing difficult life choices of female American citizens to the Holocaust — to the Holocaust. That is a disgrace. If you think the Holocaust is analogous to those things, people will call you a monster, but I will tell you, you are fundamentally uneducated." [3] Heymonicakim ( talk) 20:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
|answered= how is the current wording not also a violation?
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remove: He is noted for his erratic behaviour on-stage, his social media activity, and for a number of other controversial comments, which have resulted in him being accused variously of misogyny, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, antisemitism, and endangering fans' lives.
new: He is noted as a songwriter and performer who questions seemingly normal elements of modern society - from online dating to cancel culture. He has been praised for his activism around LGBTQ+ rights, climate change, and racial inequality while also speaking out against misogyny in the music industry. Heymonicakim ( talk) 20:22, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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Matty Healy has been listed at Articles for deletion ( nomination), but it was protected, so it could not be tagged. Please add:
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to the top of the page to complete the nomination. Thank you. Karst ( talk) 21:33, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
In the interest of moving editing forward, since there are a lot of connected parts to our quandary, I suggest we start with an agreement on recrafting the last paragraph in the lede, by drawing on other sourced content in the body that is not represented now (i.e. not new sources and content). In my view, that would be a simple but effective way of restoring some balance, and one amenable to achieving consensus. I'll start:
That could go a long way to resolving some issues. My two cents. signed, Willondon ( talk) 22:03, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
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After reading this, I can't help but feel that it does have a negative bias towards Matty Healy. While the information provided may be (in certain parts) factual, this page seems to focus primarily on Healy's controversies, even attributing him labels like misogyny, racism, homophobia, Islamophobia, antisemitism, and even of "fan endangerment" (lol????). However, many of these accusations have been sensationalized and exaggerated in the media, and it's not clear whether they're entirely accurate. In fact, some of the sources used on this page seem to be tabloids (low-quality and unreliable sources) that are known for their sensationalized reporting and their tendency to exaggerate or twist the truth to sell a story. It's not fair to paint someone as a hateful or bigoted person based on these kinds of polarizing views. Moreover, I consider that it's important to approach any information or claims made on social media platforms like Twitter or TikTok with a critical eye and to verify the accuracy of the information before accepting it as true (which is clearly not done here). On the other hand, it is abundantly clear that this page HAS selectively cut, edited, and/or modified quotes and content from various sources to fit the narrative that it is, for some reason, trying to push. Which is both a highly unprofessional and ridiculous approach that is not only misleading, but also calls into question the credibility of the entire page.
I also think it is necessary to differentiate between actual problematic behavior and harmless interactions. For example, banter with fans, peers, and friends should obviously NOT be presented as problematic or controversial.
Furthermore, this page almost completely disregards The 1975's significant achievements as a musicians and artists, which are essential components in understanding and appreciating their journey. Instead, this page seems to selectively choose small things that are blown out of proportion or made up, potentially to cater to cancel culture, which is both disappointing and misleading. (Someone please explain to me how it makes sense that there are only TWO paragraphs dedicated to their career while the rest is all about their supposed "controversies") While it is important to mention controversies, it is also necessary to provide context and present the information accurately, without exaggeration or sensationalism. I think it's worth noting that if we are going to talk about his controversies, we should also mention what resulted from them, such as his apologies and efforts towards learning and growth. As a matter of fact, I find it quite interesting that every single one of his controversies, even the smallest/dumbest ones, are fully explored on this page, while barely any of his activism is given the same attention, and the few positive aspects that are mentioned are simply glossed over. (Even Donald Trump's Wikipedia page is more positive like... make it make sense!)
Lastly, I'll like to add that this article's focus on negative criticisms violates many of Wikipedia's policies. (You don't see any other artists' Wikipedia pages being like "this person did this AND this is what their haters thought about it!" about every single thing.) Therefore, I suggest that either the whole article is edited, or the page is removed altogether. This article should not be made public for consumption due to its potential to mislead the reader, as it does not serve its purpose of presenting accurate and objective information.
(tl;dr: This article is completely ridiculous, awful, and incredibly biased. The writing is atrocious and all over the place. Most information is edited/cut/modified to fit an agenda. Many sources are not credible and/or were deliberately chosen to support the author's opinion.)
Violated core content policies that can be found in this article:
- Neutral point of view (NPOV)
- Verifiablity (V)
Due to the following violated content policies that according to Wikipedia a biography of a living person should have, this article can be considered an " attack page" which is why I think it should be deleted immediately:
- Writing style: tone (WP:BLPSTYLE)
- Writing style: balance (WP: BLPBALANCE)
- Gossip and feedback loops (WP: BLPGOSSIP)
- Contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced
- Etc. Ilovesadgirlmusic ( talk) 00:54, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
This section gives undue weight to some events in the subject's life. It would be better to summarize more. We need not go into such lurid, tabloidesque detail. Yes, we must follow the coverage, but we can adjust the depth we go to on Wikipedia. I leave to others how best to do this. Best -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 09:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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Please change [1] to [2], and [3] to [4]. I was not aware at the time of writing this article that WP:ALLMUSIC was listed as yellow on WP:RSP; while neither are controversial statements in themselves, given how controversial this article has become, I would like to see this article be watertight.-- Laun chba ller 17:34, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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@ Launchballer: You quoted the article saying he refused to apologize, with an edit summary saying we don't need the apologies. We cannot say he refused to apologize, even if we are quoting someone else, if he did in fact apologize. We should leave pout the part about the refusal or source the apology. Best -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 10:35, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
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This page is so biased and an attempt at defamation of character. Seems to overlook his musical talent as well as performance and instead focuses on his social media usage. Andrheabar ( talk) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
This page seems to be pointing out all the negatives within his career which fair enough okay? But theres no positives such as how far he has came along, awards, albums, safe space. Ect. It just feels attacky and painting an all and all bad image i feel there needs to be a positive aspect too. I love miles kane ( talk) 14:56, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
I am 100% sure that this article in the Evening Standard has copied from this article. Laun chba ller 22:00, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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There may be an incorrect link in the article. Under the section 'Personal life' and subsection 'Social media' there is a link to Isis (the Egyptian goddess), but I think it is meant to be ISIS (the terrorist organization). If other editors confirm this is the case, then it should be changed. 213.175.126.121 ( talk) 09:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
213.175.126.121 ( talk) 09:02, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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Another couple of collabs to be added to that section: Healy co-wrote 'Sleep Tight' by Holly Humberstone. [1] He also produced a couple of tracks on Pale Waves' ' My Mind Makes Noises' (referenced in that article). 2001:630:D0:500D:F444:2B10:51FD:6129 ( talk) 10:06, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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They’re not a “rock” band, please put “pop rock” Finbassett0 ( talk) 07:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
Matty is on record via the same Adam Friedland Podcast talking about how he watches porn on a site called Ghetto Gaggers, porn that is devoted to white men racially & sexually humiliating & degrading blank women. This should be mentioned. The podcast is still on YouTube and there are now several articles out in the media covering his comments. 205.155.154.1 ( talk) 22:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/1975-star-matt-healy-slammed-28756824
I feel like more should be put in this article about how Healy IDs fans and the suspicions around why 140.241.253.196 ( talk) 18:08, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
Again, Matty was not joking about watching porn that brutalizes black women. He was retelling a story in which he got caught watching it. It was not a joke, I repeat, NOT A JOKE. 205.155.154.1 ( talk) 18:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
Editor Maxen Embry is repeatedly adding opinionated language in here, erasing well sourced material, archiving recent unresolved talk page conversations, and removing twinkle tags without any discussion. I am concerned this is a paid editor. Elttaruuu ( talk) 13:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
To be clear, he wasn’t joking about watching this kind of porn. He was retelling how he got caught watching it, he called out the site he watched (Ghetto Gaggers) and mentioned in his own words about how he was watching a girl get brutalized. The description under the Controversies section of this article is damn near a full white washing of the conversation that actually took place and whoever wrote this is trying to roll it into the other comments he made despite the fact that it’s becoming the bigger story. Also, this podcast was so bad that both Apple & Spotify removed it. 205.155.154.1 ( talk) 21:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
I’d like to change a word in this sentence:
“Addressing the blacklash in a profile for The New Yorker, Healy said he purposely appeared on the podcast to provoke a reaction.” “Blacklash” -> “Backlash.” Zipgyros ( talk) 19:17, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
the link doesn't lead to anything remotely like the novel usage in the quote and doesn't make sense to leave as a wikilink. 2601:182:C00:7D50:2CA1:179:6E3:F4BA ( talk) 14:07, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
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Change Denise's description to actor not actress. M0nkmaster ( talk) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
He is a son of actors Tim Healy and Denise Welch?
He is a son of actor Tim Healy and actor and television presenter Denise WelchARandomName123 ( talk) 22:32, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Obviously we mention the Malaysia incident in the article, but I think we should put in criticism from activists: i.e. that while they may appreciate the criticism Malaysia's anti-LGBTQ laws are getting because of his actions, the conservative backlash to this could be putting their lives more in danger. ( Guardian source for reference). GnocchiFan ( talk) 19:35, 24 July 2023 (UTC)
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2001:F40:95A:3901:547C:6B93:45B8:6EF ( talk) 17:34, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
He has relatives in County Cork, Ireland on his father side. I’d say its fair important to include that. His roots are an important matter.- ELLEN MANNION
I'd just like to point out that, as of July 26, 2023, Matty Healy has the link to his own Wikipedia article on his Instagram page. (www.instagram.com/trumanblack) Think it's worth mentioning, given the possibility that he's sending his fans here to make him look more favorable. Joker123192 ( talk) 00:17, 27 July 2023 (UTC)
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These are two requests regarding the 'Public image' section:
This is not a request but a comment regarding that 'Public image' heading. The whole section is overloaded and difficult to read, and it should be split into more sub-headings like the one I requested above "Podcast controversy". -- 148.252.129.143 ( talk) 18:43, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
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Under "Personal Life," the sentence stating "His maternal grandfather is a drag queen" should be changed to the past tense, as Matty's grandfather passed in 2021. TheLoreLibrarian ( talk) 16:03, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Recommending additions of Template:POV, Template:COI, Template:peacock
This article is written from a non-neutral and promotional POV.
Structural, stylistic, and article source quality changes are required to achieve subject neutrality for this article, warranting intervention until these changes are made. Additionally, addressing these POV/COI issues seriously is a relevant goal toward Wikipedia's policy of reducing systemic racial and gender bias in articles.
Subject Context: Matty Healy has a verifiable history of making discriminatory remarks an actions against marginalized groups and their members, including women and girls, Black, Indigenous, Arab/Muslim, and Asian people, as well as facing critique from members of LGBTQ2S+ communities for his "advocacy" actions.
The article begins discussing the subject as an advocate for various social justice causes without citing any inline sources or prominent critiques to the contrary from members of the aforementioned communities. (recommend addition of Template:POV section or Template:POV lead)
In the "Public Image" section, the text takes a dismissive tone of well-documented incidences of documented discrimination, reading as promotional. (recommend addition of Template:COI or Template:POV section)
There are many sources available online to affirm this request. Here are a few.
[3] Nicimos ( talk) 11:43, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
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On "The Adam Friedland Show," Healy and the hosts roamed more or less randomly around the cultural landscape, cracking jokes. One of the hosts asked if the rapper Ice Spice, who is of Nigerian and Dominican descent, was an Inuit Spice Girl, and the group then did crude approximations of an Inuit accent, veering from vaguely Chinese to quasi-Hawaiian. Later, he laughed as the hosts did impressions of hypothetical Japanese guards at German concentration camps. He joked about watching the brutal porn channel Ghetto Gaggers. After the episode went up, outraged headlines and furious tweets—"matty healy, how are you getting on stage every night and mocking toxic masculinity and then going on a podcast and undoing the whole thing by being wildly ignorant, misogynistic, homophobic, racist, everything else under the sun"—predictably ensued.
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Link the page for Our Extended Play by Beabadoobee Porplemuncher ( talk) 23:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)