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I have placed this nomination on hold for two to seven days. There will soon appear additional notes and issues as well as a mock review for you to reference. Very interesting article, btw. Thanks for your patience.
IvoShandor08:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Issues/notes
Prose etc.
Remove bolding in article text, except for the first mention of his name in the lead.
Watch for redundancies, the very first sentence contains one: Matthew Bevan Cox (born July 2, 1969), commonly known as Matthew Cox, also sometimes known as Matthew B. Cox and Matt Cox, is an American convicted felon and con man who has been convicted of conspiracy and grand theft.
Make sure the lead represents a succinct summary able to stand alone per
WP:LEAD, especially with expansion.
Try not to use ambiguous terms such as: Authorities (be specific)
Structure
Suggest coming up with a better title for "Similarities between unpublished novel and actual life"
See second broadness comment.
The hypenated asides are kind of distracting.
Copy edit for awkward wording, examples follow (look at the bold):
Cox fraudulently obtained vary from $5 million,[1] to over $15 million,[4] to potentially upwards of $25 million.
News broadcasts aired showing photos of Cox and Hauck, and requesting viewers to provide information as to their whereabouts.
Shortly thereafter, Cox mortgaged several properties on two houses in a few days in Columbia, South Carolina
Just all around awkward: The week that Hauck was sentenced to prison, Cox, who at the time was living in Nashville, Tennessee under the name Joseph Carter, narrowly escaped arrest again.
To chatty: To begin with, there are physical similarities.
Broadness
"Early life" section is kind of stubby.
To really cover all major aspects there should be something more about the two year manhunt/investigation. What agencies were involved? What was the big break? Why didn't they catch him before? What put them onto him? etc. This also comes back to structure, try to organize the article better so its coverage is more well represented.
Any current info? Where is he held at? etc. (as such becomes available)
NPOV?
NPOV?: He was so bold in these activities that he even took out one mortgage in the name of "C. Montgomery Burns", in an homage to The Simpsons television character
NPOV?: Cox escaped capture this time due to a chance series of events (are we sure it wasn't planned?)
NPOV?: was finally arrested by a half dozen
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At this point, due to remorse and anxiety, Arnold called the FBI and confessed. She was sentenced to two years in prison for numerous charges, including conspiracy to commit bank fraud and identity theft.
After filing false documents that indicated he owned the home, Cox took out several mortgages on the property in the amount of several hundred thousand dollars.
She was sentenced to two years in prison for numerous charges, including conspiracy to commit bank fraud and identity theft.
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It is stable.
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I copied the comments down below and will cross some of them out as I get to them,
Prose etc.
Remove bolding in article text, except for the first mention of his name in the lead.
Incorrect as to the bolding, see
MOS:BOLD all of the names in bold redirect to the page, perhaps some of the recirects are unecessary such as the last woman. In general if you read the sources he is referred to be yseveral varations of his name even in news stories.
Quadzilla9909:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
I read that and didn't see anything about redirects, I saw this: In the first paragraph of any article, put the article name and any synonyms (including acronyms) in boldface. Thus the names are fine, which is what I meant but the women's names are unnecesarily bolded.
IvoShandor09:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Watch for redundancies, the very first sentence contains one: Matthew Bevan Cox (born July 2, 1969), commonly known as Matthew Cox, also sometimes known as Matthew B. Cox and Matt Cox, is an American convicted felon and con man who has been convicted of conspiracy and grand theft.
Fixed good eye.
Make sure the lead represents a succinct summary able to stand alone per
WP:LEAD, especially with expansion.
News broadcasts showed photos of Cox and Hauck and requested that viewers provide any information as to their whereabouts. Maybe something like that. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
IvoShandor (
talk •
contribs)
09:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC).reply
Just all around awkward: The week that Hauck was sentenced to prison, Cox, who at the time was living in Nashville, Tennessee under the name Joseph Carter, narrowly escaped arrest again.
That's all the info there is about him at the moment. He's only been the subject of newspaper stories and if I hadn't stumbled upon two weeks he probably wouldn't even have an article.
Quadzilla9910:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
To really cover all major aspects there should be something more about the two year manhunt/investigation. What agencies were involved? What was the big break? Why didn't they catch him before? What put them onto him? etc. This also comes back to structure, try to organize the article better so its coverage is more well represented.
Comment I'll try to fill that out but there's not really much info as of yet. Even though there are alot of the sources, they're mostly news stories that often repeat the same things and most investigations as you probably know are kept secret. The investigators interviewed talked almost solely about him. There is some info I can add he was on the Secret Service Most Wanted list (the Secret Service has it's own most wanted list, similar to the FBI list, for criminals that committ fraud and identity theft), he was caught after the babysitter saw him on their website. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough.
Quadzilla9910:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Whatever you have that is relevant, for GA, it should at least touch on all major aspects, may be just a paragraph or whatever but it's there to fulfill the broadness criteria and makes it easy for future editors to add information as well. Sometimes I will include pertinent sections of only a paragraph or two to make sure I touch on everything.
IvoShandor07:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Any current info? Where is he held at? etc. (as such becomes available)
Comment All the source says is he was in an Atlanta courtroom when plead out:
[3] It doesn't have the prison name and I don't want to guess. A good wording would be "He is currently is Fulsom County prison..." but I don't know that.
Quadzilla9910:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Fulsom County indeed. Heh. Does the State of Georgia's Corrections Dept (or Federal Corrections if he is in Fed custody, which it seems he would be) have a database of some sort. I know the Illinois Department of Corrections does, might be worth a bit searching for.
IvoShandor07:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)reply
NPOV?: He was so bold in these activities that he even took out one mortgage in the name of "C. Montgomery Burns", in an homage to The Simpsons television character
Maybe, but if its POV in the source we don't want that I would assume.
I'll think of another way to say it the pooint is he was brazen and the women he worked often said that he did things in a brazen way.
Quadzilla9909:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
My main point is that this sentence (minus the bold and add the parenthetical): Cox even went so far as to tell (told) co-workers of the novel and elaborate on the novel's details easily speaks for itself how brazen this guy was, there is really no need to qualify it.
IvoShandor10:08, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
On second thought, I think those two verbiages are fine giving the events, I'm re-inserting them. Hate to do it, but we are allowed to use appropriate descriptive terms, I think we go too far some times in limiting them.
Quadzilla9909:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)reply
went so far as to tell: Is not an apt descriptor, the facts can speak for themselves there is no need to formulate an opinion for Wikipedia about Matthew Cox, that's what this does, it accomplishes the same thing as saying he told coworkers, the fact that this is crazy speaks for itself.
IvoShandor02:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)reply
I disagree that it's POV, we're allowed to use appropriate descriptive terms, see FAs like
Leo Ornstein, among other where descriptive terms are used where necessary. There's no need to get upset.
Quadzilla9902:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)reply
NPOV?: Cox escaped capture this time due to a chance series of events (are we sure it wasn't planned?)
No read the source, his home was burglarized and he moved the family to a hotel for a couple of days when he returned they were waiting for him.
Quadzilla9909:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Being subject to
WP:BLP make sure you go over this article thoroughly for any additional assertions that need citation, here are a couple examples:
At this point, due to remorse and anxiety, Arnold called the FBI and confessed. She was sentenced to two years in prison for numerous charges, including conspiracy to commit bank fraud and identity theft.
After filing false documents that indicated he owned the home, Cox took out several mortgages on the property in the amount of several hundred thousand dollars.
Incidentally, it wouldn't hurt to break the lead into a couple paragraphs, large blocks of text are kind of daunting to some.
IvoShandor10:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
I am passing this article as I believe it meets the GA criteria. Good work and expand as possible. I went ahead and removed the bold from the women's name per the above comments, I figured you just forgot. Good luck in the future. : )
IvoShandor12:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Sounds good. And no problem, I just like to be thorough. As FAs should be exemplary, GA should mean something a little extra special. Nice job.
IvoShandor13:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)reply
It contains
images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
Pass/Fail:
a Well written:
b Factually accurate:
c Broad in coverage:
d NPOV:
e Stable:
f Images:
g Overall:
If the article failed the nomination, the comments below will help in addressing the problems. Once these tasks are accomplished, the article can be
resubmitted for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, please feel free to take it to a
GA review. You can see how I, personally, applied the six criteria above at
this link. I sincerely thank you for your work so far.
If your article passed the nomination, congratulations on making Wikipedia all the better. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. If you didn't know there is a groovy user box, {{User Good Articles}}, for those users who have significantly contributed to a
good article. The "
essay" linked above is also how the criteria are applied to passing articles as well. Thanks again for your hard work.
Just in case you wanted to know, I posted the "review" above, the lone no vote for major aspects is only because a few bits of info are missing, i.e. his prison. Just find that noted above and this is fine too, not a major enough issue to halt passing.
IvoShandor13:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)reply
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I have placed this nomination on hold for two to seven days. There will soon appear additional notes and issues as well as a mock review for you to reference. Very interesting article, btw. Thanks for your patience.
IvoShandor08:14, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Issues/notes
Prose etc.
Remove bolding in article text, except for the first mention of his name in the lead.
Watch for redundancies, the very first sentence contains one: Matthew Bevan Cox (born July 2, 1969), commonly known as Matthew Cox, also sometimes known as Matthew B. Cox and Matt Cox, is an American convicted felon and con man who has been convicted of conspiracy and grand theft.
Make sure the lead represents a succinct summary able to stand alone per
WP:LEAD, especially with expansion.
Try not to use ambiguous terms such as: Authorities (be specific)
Structure
Suggest coming up with a better title for "Similarities between unpublished novel and actual life"
See second broadness comment.
The hypenated asides are kind of distracting.
Copy edit for awkward wording, examples follow (look at the bold):
Cox fraudulently obtained vary from $5 million,[1] to over $15 million,[4] to potentially upwards of $25 million.
News broadcasts aired showing photos of Cox and Hauck, and requesting viewers to provide information as to their whereabouts.
Shortly thereafter, Cox mortgaged several properties on two houses in a few days in Columbia, South Carolina
Just all around awkward: The week that Hauck was sentenced to prison, Cox, who at the time was living in Nashville, Tennessee under the name Joseph Carter, narrowly escaped arrest again.
To chatty: To begin with, there are physical similarities.
Broadness
"Early life" section is kind of stubby.
To really cover all major aspects there should be something more about the two year manhunt/investigation. What agencies were involved? What was the big break? Why didn't they catch him before? What put them onto him? etc. This also comes back to structure, try to organize the article better so its coverage is more well represented.
Any current info? Where is he held at? etc. (as such becomes available)
NPOV?
NPOV?: He was so bold in these activities that he even took out one mortgage in the name of "C. Montgomery Burns", in an homage to The Simpsons television character
NPOV?: Cox escaped capture this time due to a chance series of events (are we sure it wasn't planned?)
NPOV?: was finally arrested by a half dozen
References
Being subject to
WP:BLP make sure you go over this article thoroughly for any additional assertions that need citation, here are a couple examples:
At this point, due to remorse and anxiety, Arnold called the FBI and confessed. She was sentenced to two years in prison for numerous charges, including conspiracy to commit bank fraud and identity theft.
After filing false documents that indicated he owned the home, Cox took out several mortgages on the property in the amount of several hundred thousand dollars.
She was sentenced to two years in prison for numerous charges, including conspiracy to commit bank fraud and identity theft.
a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
It is stable.
It contains
images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
a (tagged and captioned): b (lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have
fair use rationales):
Pass/Fail:
a Well written:
b Factually accurate:
c Broad in coverage:
d NPOV:
e Stable:
f Images:
g Overall:
If the article failed the nomination, the comments below will help in addressing the problems. Once these tasks are accomplished, the article can be
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I copied the comments down below and will cross some of them out as I get to them,
Prose etc.
Remove bolding in article text, except for the first mention of his name in the lead.
Incorrect as to the bolding, see
MOS:BOLD all of the names in bold redirect to the page, perhaps some of the recirects are unecessary such as the last woman. In general if you read the sources he is referred to be yseveral varations of his name even in news stories.
Quadzilla9909:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
I read that and didn't see anything about redirects, I saw this: In the first paragraph of any article, put the article name and any synonyms (including acronyms) in boldface. Thus the names are fine, which is what I meant but the women's names are unnecesarily bolded.
IvoShandor09:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Watch for redundancies, the very first sentence contains one: Matthew Bevan Cox (born July 2, 1969), commonly known as Matthew Cox, also sometimes known as Matthew B. Cox and Matt Cox, is an American convicted felon and con man who has been convicted of conspiracy and grand theft.
Fixed good eye.
Make sure the lead represents a succinct summary able to stand alone per
WP:LEAD, especially with expansion.
News broadcasts showed photos of Cox and Hauck and requested that viewers provide any information as to their whereabouts. Maybe something like that. —The preceding
unsigned comment was added by
IvoShandor (
talk •
contribs)
09:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC).reply
Just all around awkward: The week that Hauck was sentenced to prison, Cox, who at the time was living in Nashville, Tennessee under the name Joseph Carter, narrowly escaped arrest again.
That's all the info there is about him at the moment. He's only been the subject of newspaper stories and if I hadn't stumbled upon two weeks he probably wouldn't even have an article.
Quadzilla9910:47, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
To really cover all major aspects there should be something more about the two year manhunt/investigation. What agencies were involved? What was the big break? Why didn't they catch him before? What put them onto him? etc. This also comes back to structure, try to organize the article better so its coverage is more well represented.
Comment I'll try to fill that out but there's not really much info as of yet. Even though there are alot of the sources, they're mostly news stories that often repeat the same things and most investigations as you probably know are kept secret. The investigators interviewed talked almost solely about him. There is some info I can add he was on the Secret Service Most Wanted list (the Secret Service has it's own most wanted list, similar to the FBI list, for criminals that committ fraud and identity theft), he was caught after the babysitter saw him on their website. Maybe I didn't make that clear enough.
Quadzilla9910:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Whatever you have that is relevant, for GA, it should at least touch on all major aspects, may be just a paragraph or whatever but it's there to fulfill the broadness criteria and makes it easy for future editors to add information as well. Sometimes I will include pertinent sections of only a paragraph or two to make sure I touch on everything.
IvoShandor07:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Any current info? Where is he held at? etc. (as such becomes available)
Comment All the source says is he was in an Atlanta courtroom when plead out:
[3] It doesn't have the prison name and I don't want to guess. A good wording would be "He is currently is Fulsom County prison..." but I don't know that.
Quadzilla9910:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Fulsom County indeed. Heh. Does the State of Georgia's Corrections Dept (or Federal Corrections if he is in Fed custody, which it seems he would be) have a database of some sort. I know the Illinois Department of Corrections does, might be worth a bit searching for.
IvoShandor07:10, 19 April 2007 (UTC)reply
NPOV?: He was so bold in these activities that he even took out one mortgage in the name of "C. Montgomery Burns", in an homage to The Simpsons television character
Maybe, but if its POV in the source we don't want that I would assume.
I'll think of another way to say it the pooint is he was brazen and the women he worked often said that he did things in a brazen way.
Quadzilla9909:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
My main point is that this sentence (minus the bold and add the parenthetical): Cox even went so far as to tell (told) co-workers of the novel and elaborate on the novel's details easily speaks for itself how brazen this guy was, there is really no need to qualify it.
IvoShandor10:08, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
On second thought, I think those two verbiages are fine giving the events, I'm re-inserting them. Hate to do it, but we are allowed to use appropriate descriptive terms, I think we go too far some times in limiting them.
Quadzilla9909:28, 20 April 2007 (UTC)reply
went so far as to tell: Is not an apt descriptor, the facts can speak for themselves there is no need to formulate an opinion for Wikipedia about Matthew Cox, that's what this does, it accomplishes the same thing as saying he told coworkers, the fact that this is crazy speaks for itself.
IvoShandor02:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)reply
I disagree that it's POV, we're allowed to use appropriate descriptive terms, see FAs like
Leo Ornstein, among other where descriptive terms are used where necessary. There's no need to get upset.
Quadzilla9902:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)reply
NPOV?: Cox escaped capture this time due to a chance series of events (are we sure it wasn't planned?)
No read the source, his home was burglarized and he moved the family to a hotel for a couple of days when he returned they were waiting for him.
Quadzilla9909:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Being subject to
WP:BLP make sure you go over this article thoroughly for any additional assertions that need citation, here are a couple examples:
At this point, due to remorse and anxiety, Arnold called the FBI and confessed. She was sentenced to two years in prison for numerous charges, including conspiracy to commit bank fraud and identity theft.
After filing false documents that indicated he owned the home, Cox took out several mortgages on the property in the amount of several hundred thousand dollars.
Incidentally, it wouldn't hurt to break the lead into a couple paragraphs, large blocks of text are kind of daunting to some.
IvoShandor10:04, 18 April 2007 (UTC)reply
I am passing this article as I believe it meets the GA criteria. Good work and expand as possible. I went ahead and removed the bold from the women's name per the above comments, I figured you just forgot. Good luck in the future. : )
IvoShandor12:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)reply
Sounds good. And no problem, I just like to be thorough. As FAs should be exemplary, GA should mean something a little extra special. Nice job.
IvoShandor13:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC)reply
It contains
images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
Pass/Fail:
a Well written:
b Factually accurate:
c Broad in coverage:
d NPOV:
e Stable:
f Images:
g Overall:
If the article failed the nomination, the comments below will help in addressing the problems. Once these tasks are accomplished, the article can be
resubmitted for consideration. If you feel that this review is in error, please feel free to take it to a
GA review. You can see how I, personally, applied the six criteria above at
this link. I sincerely thank you for your work so far.
If your article passed the nomination, congratulations on making Wikipedia all the better. Your contributions are greatly appreciated. If you didn't know there is a groovy user box, {{User Good Articles}}, for those users who have significantly contributed to a
good article. The "
essay" linked above is also how the criteria are applied to passing articles as well. Thanks again for your hard work.
Just in case you wanted to know, I posted the "review" above, the lone no vote for major aspects is only because a few bits of info are missing, i.e. his prison. Just find that noted above and this is fine too, not a major enough issue to halt passing.
IvoShandor13:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)reply
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