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Having just looked at this article I think it rates the New C class ( was assessed Start in 2007) as has an ibox, photos and reasonable amount of content, and with better referencing would be a B candidadate, with a bit of work to layout. - BulldozerD11 ( talk) 14:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone (i.e., someone more knowledgable about the subject than I) should add a section about the incest scandal involving him, cited in the "Incest" article.
We now have different, uncited, dates of death in the body of the article, and the infobox. Which (with citation, please) is correct? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Boulton's bicentennial of death is in August, I'm at least going to take a shot at getting it FA by then. Help needed.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 12:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Newcomen's engines were specifically pumping engines and had lift, but no thrust. This meant that their application was very limited. Watt's various innovations led to the development of an engine that had thrust as well as lift ie. it pushed and pulled. Moreover, where Necomen's engine could only pull a flexible chain, Watt's engine could push and pull a rigid rod. This fact meant that it could be made (with the aid of a gear) to turn a wheel around. Once the "rotative steam engine" was developed, it could be used to drive the machinery in a factory, in place of a water wheel.
The article mentions the use of the engines in mines. It also needs to mention the use of rotative engines to power factories. The engine on display in the Science Museum, and depicted in the article is one of these engines, and, although no longer operational, is the oldest known in its original state. The Powerhouse Museum in Sydney has a fully operational engine of which some sections are older, but which was subsequently modified and shows many of Watt's later improvements, including a cast iron beam, rather than the wooden one of the Science Museum engine. These engines were absolutely integral to the Industrial Revolution. They became the power for England's wool and cotton mills, as well as all sorts of other factories. They led to the development of a portable engine that could chuff along on its own flywheels (though how still bemuses engineers). They led to the steam ship.
I'm not suggesting that all this should go into the article. However, Matthew Boulton's relationship with Watt was one that transformed the world, and not just because it improve the efficiency and safety of mines. It is the rotative nature of the engine that is the key to this. While the separate condensor made the engine more efficient, it was "Watt's parallel linkage" that made the "push and pull" action possible. Although one is not supposed to use superlatives on Wikipedia, this is one of the most exquisite engineering solutions of all time. Amandajm ( talk) 09:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
The title listed in "Further reading" - Roll, Erich and Smith, J. G. An Early Experiment in Industrial Organisation: Being a History of the Firm of Boulton & Watt, 1775–1805 (Longmans and Green, 1930). - may help with this, if anyone can access it in library.-- mervyn ( talk) 08:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Boulton manufactured the small metal setting for Wedgwood cameos as jewellery etc, and was probably the provider of the small ormolu settings used when Wedwood cameos were set into furniture. The Powerhouse holds an item. I recall that the setting is not silver but a silver-coloured alloy of Boulton's invention. ..... I've just been searching through my books for some reference and can't find it. Amandajm ( talk) 06:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I keep deleting them because their use is nearly always inappropriate.
Here is an example from the text which constitutes correct use.
Before construction, the cost of the principal building alone had been estimated at £2,000[21] (about £276,000 today); it proved to cost five times that amount.
In this case the two joined sentences are very closely related in meaning, there being a conflict between the two statements and the former impacting on the reader's understanding of the latter.
Although this is not incorrect, the sentences could be more effectively linked by the addition of the word "although". Drop the "it proved".
Before construction, the cost of the principal building alone had been estimated at £2,000[21] (about £276,000 today), although ultimately the cost was five times that amount.
Or:
Although before construction, the estimated cost of the principal building was £2,000[21] (about £276,000 today), the actual cost was five times that amount.
Amandajm ( talk) 13:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Shoemaker's Holiday thinks he might be able to go to Birmingham and take pictures of Boulton-related items. Is there a particular museum that would be relevant for this? Awadewit ( talk) 20:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I'll do what I can. I should be clear that I do not have a particularly good camera, so we're going to end up with not particularly great photos, but that's still, of course, better than the "no photos at all" of present. In the unlikely event anyone knows of someone willing to lend a better camera for a week, please let me know. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 22:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Yay! Now on to see if we can get this main page on August 17! Wild party in the sandbox first tonight!-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
on getting on the main page! Sorry I missed the party! Amandajm ( talk) 10:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Would anyone be interested in helping to set up a WikiProject Silverware? I'm interested in salvers, coffee pots, jugs, candlesticks, famous silversmiths, different styles, etc. Thanks. Girlwithgreeneyes ( talk) 11:53, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I was disappointed to see the removal of this recently-added section, in its entirety. It speaks to Boulton's personal and professional interests, and describes tangible objects once owned by him, and which are now available for public inspection. At 65K, the article is not over-long, and even if it were, it could be subdivided, rather than losing cited and relevant material. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I was also preparing to add a photo with a mineral specimen labelled in Boulton's handwriting, which might be of general interest as there isn't a handwriting sample on the page, and another citation referring to the significance of this as an early and significance geology collection. Luannasaurus ( talk) 21:47, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
"It speaks to Boulton's personal and professional interests, and describes tangible objects once owned by him, and which are now available for public inspection". It was clearly significant enough to Boulton, that he devoted a whole room of his house to the collection. As for contribution to learning, that would seem to be met by
"The Matthew Boulton mineral collection of Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery may contain one of the earliest known specimens of witherite. A label in Boulton's handwriting records; 'No.2 Terra Ponderosa Aerata, given me by Dr. Withering'"(from William Withering) which should perhaps be added to the material when it is restored. The citation for that is
{{cite journal|last1=Starkey|first1=R. E.|title=Matthew Boulton, his mineral collection and the Lunar Men|journal=The Newsletter of the Russell Society|date=2011|volume=59|pages=1-8}}
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
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I don't wish to drop a {{ dubious}} tag into a FA, but "silver plate had to be sent over 70 miles (110 km) to the nearest assay office, at Chester, to be assayed and hallmarked" is dubious. Silver plate is not hallmarked, only solid silver. The hallmark is a guarantee that the silver (and of course likewise gold, platinum and palladium) is solid and of the stated quality. How, for instance, could you put a 925 (sterling) silver on something that is 90% base metal? Boulton is quoted as saying "I am very desirous of becoming a great silversmith, yet I am determined not to take up that branch in the large way I intended, unless powers can be obtained to have a marking hall [assay office] at Birmingham." Note that here is talking about being a silversmith, which usually means working in the solid metal. Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 11:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
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Having just looked at this article I think it rates the New C class ( was assessed Start in 2007) as has an ibox, photos and reasonable amount of content, and with better referencing would be a B candidadate, with a bit of work to layout. - BulldozerD11 ( talk) 14:36, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Someone (i.e., someone more knowledgable about the subject than I) should add a section about the incest scandal involving him, cited in the "Incest" article.
We now have different, uncited, dates of death in the body of the article, and the infobox. Which (with citation, please) is correct? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 17:40, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Boulton's bicentennial of death is in August, I'm at least going to take a shot at getting it FA by then. Help needed.-- Wehwalt ( talk) 12:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Newcomen's engines were specifically pumping engines and had lift, but no thrust. This meant that their application was very limited. Watt's various innovations led to the development of an engine that had thrust as well as lift ie. it pushed and pulled. Moreover, where Necomen's engine could only pull a flexible chain, Watt's engine could push and pull a rigid rod. This fact meant that it could be made (with the aid of a gear) to turn a wheel around. Once the "rotative steam engine" was developed, it could be used to drive the machinery in a factory, in place of a water wheel.
The article mentions the use of the engines in mines. It also needs to mention the use of rotative engines to power factories. The engine on display in the Science Museum, and depicted in the article is one of these engines, and, although no longer operational, is the oldest known in its original state. The Powerhouse Museum in Sydney has a fully operational engine of which some sections are older, but which was subsequently modified and shows many of Watt's later improvements, including a cast iron beam, rather than the wooden one of the Science Museum engine. These engines were absolutely integral to the Industrial Revolution. They became the power for England's wool and cotton mills, as well as all sorts of other factories. They led to the development of a portable engine that could chuff along on its own flywheels (though how still bemuses engineers). They led to the steam ship.
I'm not suggesting that all this should go into the article. However, Matthew Boulton's relationship with Watt was one that transformed the world, and not just because it improve the efficiency and safety of mines. It is the rotative nature of the engine that is the key to this. While the separate condensor made the engine more efficient, it was "Watt's parallel linkage" that made the "push and pull" action possible. Although one is not supposed to use superlatives on Wikipedia, this is one of the most exquisite engineering solutions of all time. Amandajm ( talk) 09:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
The title listed in "Further reading" - Roll, Erich and Smith, J. G. An Early Experiment in Industrial Organisation: Being a History of the Firm of Boulton & Watt, 1775–1805 (Longmans and Green, 1930). - may help with this, if anyone can access it in library.-- mervyn ( talk) 08:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Boulton manufactured the small metal setting for Wedgwood cameos as jewellery etc, and was probably the provider of the small ormolu settings used when Wedwood cameos were set into furniture. The Powerhouse holds an item. I recall that the setting is not silver but a silver-coloured alloy of Boulton's invention. ..... I've just been searching through my books for some reference and can't find it. Amandajm ( talk) 06:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I keep deleting them because their use is nearly always inappropriate.
Here is an example from the text which constitutes correct use.
Before construction, the cost of the principal building alone had been estimated at £2,000[21] (about £276,000 today); it proved to cost five times that amount.
In this case the two joined sentences are very closely related in meaning, there being a conflict between the two statements and the former impacting on the reader's understanding of the latter.
Although this is not incorrect, the sentences could be more effectively linked by the addition of the word "although". Drop the "it proved".
Before construction, the cost of the principal building alone had been estimated at £2,000[21] (about £276,000 today), although ultimately the cost was five times that amount.
Or:
Although before construction, the estimated cost of the principal building was £2,000[21] (about £276,000 today), the actual cost was five times that amount.
Amandajm ( talk) 13:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Shoemaker's Holiday thinks he might be able to go to Birmingham and take pictures of Boulton-related items. Is there a particular museum that would be relevant for this? Awadewit ( talk) 20:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
I'll do what I can. I should be clear that I do not have a particularly good camera, so we're going to end up with not particularly great photos, but that's still, of course, better than the "no photos at all" of present. In the unlikely event anyone knows of someone willing to lend a better camera for a week, please let me know. Shoemaker's Holiday ( talk) 22:47, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Yay! Now on to see if we can get this main page on August 17! Wild party in the sandbox first tonight!-- Wehwalt ( talk) 23:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
on getting on the main page! Sorry I missed the party! Amandajm ( talk) 10:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Would anyone be interested in helping to set up a WikiProject Silverware? I'm interested in salvers, coffee pots, jugs, candlesticks, famous silversmiths, different styles, etc. Thanks. Girlwithgreeneyes ( talk) 11:53, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
I was disappointed to see the removal of this recently-added section, in its entirety. It speaks to Boulton's personal and professional interests, and describes tangible objects once owned by him, and which are now available for public inspection. At 65K, the article is not over-long, and even if it were, it could be subdivided, rather than losing cited and relevant material. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:44, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I was also preparing to add a photo with a mineral specimen labelled in Boulton's handwriting, which might be of general interest as there isn't a handwriting sample on the page, and another citation referring to the significance of this as an early and significance geology collection. Luannasaurus ( talk) 21:47, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
"It speaks to Boulton's personal and professional interests, and describes tangible objects once owned by him, and which are now available for public inspection". It was clearly significant enough to Boulton, that he devoted a whole room of his house to the collection. As for contribution to learning, that would seem to be met by
"The Matthew Boulton mineral collection of Birmingham Museum and Art Gallery may contain one of the earliest known specimens of witherite. A label in Boulton's handwriting records; 'No.2 Terra Ponderosa Aerata, given me by Dr. Withering'"(from William Withering) which should perhaps be added to the material when it is restored. The citation for that is
{{cite journal|last1=Starkey|first1=R. E.|title=Matthew Boulton, his mineral collection and the Lunar Men|journal=The Newsletter of the Russell Society|date=2011|volume=59|pages=1-8}}
.
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 23:38, 9 February 2015 (UTC)![]() | Text and/or other creative content from this version of Matthew Boulton was copied or moved into [[ ja:マシュー・ボールトン]] with this edit on 2016-01-21. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists. |
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I don't wish to drop a {{ dubious}} tag into a FA, but "silver plate had to be sent over 70 miles (110 km) to the nearest assay office, at Chester, to be assayed and hallmarked" is dubious. Silver plate is not hallmarked, only solid silver. The hallmark is a guarantee that the silver (and of course likewise gold, platinum and palladium) is solid and of the stated quality. How, for instance, could you put a 925 (sterling) silver on something that is 90% base metal? Boulton is quoted as saying "I am very desirous of becoming a great silversmith, yet I am determined not to take up that branch in the large way I intended, unless powers can be obtained to have a marking hall [assay office] at Birmingham." Note that here is talking about being a silversmith, which usually means working in the solid metal. Martin of Sheffield ( talk) 11:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)