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I only edited the front page like 30 seconds ago and already it's switched back. Mucho props my friends from the old country! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.200.60 ( talk) 23:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The opening of the article states "Matisyahu is the Yiddish and stage name of Matthew Paul Miller". Actually, "Matisyahu" is not his Yiddish name but rather the Ashkenazi pronunciation of his Hebrew name. While the two obviously employ the same accent, they are still different (as for the difference for this word between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Hebrew pronunciation, the only different is the use of the "s" sound in MatiSyahu instead of a "t" sound in MatiTyahu. 71.103.147.36
The Origin of the name section of the article states that the name is an Ashkenazic variant of the Biblical "Matityahu." This misleads the reader into thinking that the pronunciation of the name with the "T" instead of "S" is more authentically Biblical or more ancient. There is no evidence for this. I am rephrasing.-- NYCJosh ( talk) 19:17, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Its noted that matisyahu is a lubavitch chasidic, however, that sect split into to camps upon the death of the grand rebbe (the one embroiled in the crown heights riots incident wherein his driver, with him in the car, ran down two children, killing one of them), one set looking for a new rebbe, the other set considering the dead rebbe to be the messiah, who would return from the dead before long. Is it known which of these two groups matisyahu belongs to? A few of his songs mention something that sounds like 'mesh-iak', would be interesting to know if he is talking about the rebbe.
Guy's, I'm restoring my RV'd comment about Matis's Messianism. I am not accusing Matis of being a Meschichist, nor am I bashing Chabad messianism. I am simply documenting accusations, and hopefully attracting some counter-opinions. -- OneTopJob6 03:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I've recently heard a bridge at a live concert where matisyahu sang "yechi", so he has to be a meshichist.
Way too much cruft. Wikipedia is not a forum for pulicizing tour dates. Additionally, not every article that has been written about him needs to be on the website; and certainly not the same article in two different languages. Daykart 18:44, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't this information be on Jewish names? Daykart 01:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be a complete political and religious contradicition. Rastafarianism has nothing in common with hassidism. Has this man expressed opinions on the Middle East, Jews and Arabs, the Iraq war or smoking pot ? 74.56.192.163 22:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
3000 years? Isn't it 1900 years? 210.84.35.104 18:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Allegations of sexism should be included. For example, his refusal to shake hands with women. Another incident involved refusing to share a stage with musician Eve, for fear he might come in physical contact. --AWF
Hi, please sign your comments with the four tildes ~~~~ so we can know who made the comment. Shlomke 02:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with fear of physical contact with other women. It is a cultral respect to the wife which was agreed upon in the wedding contract. 210.84.35.104 18:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
For your reference, Matis is Shomer Negiah. It is a common practice among Chabad.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9309170/matisyahu_brings_kosher_vibration I am looking for input as to the phrasing of the section. Pink-thunderbolt ( talk) 04:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I think that this information needs to be put in. Although he may not find it offensive, and although it very well may not be offensive, it still can come off as offensive, as it marks a difference between the treatment of men and women (and does so concerning an issue that many feel is a matter of respect, a handshake). Also, just because something has a religious justification, this does not mean it is not sexist. I am not saying that Matisyahu is sexist, but only that the point of Wikipedia is to present the facts so that the readers can make up their own minds. Personally, I never fully understood the reasons for his refusal to go on stage with Eve (they don't have to touch, is it because of the no singing in public thing [that the second article below mentions]?), and I was hoping to find some answers to this issue on Wikipedia. I think both an explanation of what his actions are, and why he chooses those actions would be a great addition to Wikipedia. I would add it myself, but I see there is already a discussion going on about it, and I didn't want to step on any toes, although I can do it if no one who feels more comfortable gets around to it. The following two sources discuss the issues
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9309170/matisyahu_brings_kosher_vibration - talks about his refusal to shake hands http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9363668/matisyahu_hasidic_hot_stepper - talks about his refusal to perform with Eve 74.109.11.214 ( talk) 20:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Oy, sh'miras negiah is Hebrew for guarding the touch. It's a stringency to avoid inappropriate touching between the sexes. A man can't shake a woman's hand and vice a versa at the most stringent level. More liberal views are that handshaking is so common place that it's not a "sexual" act. You can't look at it from a sexually desensitized world where posters in the city have barely clothed people. What many of the people here posted derogatorily is a double standard. When Muslims won't do the same practice it's always wow, what a wonderful culture, but when it's Jews it's an affront on women. When I was at a Matisyahu concert in the Spring of '05in Gun Wavin' New Haven, there was a girl crowd surfing, and she fell to the ground when she was pushed towards the Jewish guys.
Seems like just a mean spirited way to say "changed", by someone who wanted a slight anti-christian tone to the paragraph. At the bottom, about the name being "Corrupted" into the Christian form of Matthew.
Can anyone give a source to the fact that "Matisyahu belongs to Congregation Miskan (Mishkan) Tefila" ?
a google search for "Mishkan Tefila" brought up a Conservative synagogue in Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts, however Matisyahu is an orthodox jew living in Brooklyn. Shlomke 20:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
hey, to the wikipedian who removed the amazon link [1] with no further explanation: it is NOT advertising for the company or artist, especially since MC Truth aka Matisyahu is not even featured on that album in question. however, that link is crucial because the "About the Artist" paragraph contains a band line-up written by MC Mystic - and it is the only place besides of archive.org and the jdub board that info can be found at all.
my point is, many articles have that nice "article lacks sources citing" tag; but when you add sources, someone comes along and removes them all? I dont get it. feel free to enlighten me! who-am-i 21:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
good find. I removed the part about MC Mystic's complaint but added that rolling stone article. I think someone should rephrase everthing now who-am-i 17:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
sorry my bad, i really didnt see it, thought it was completely removed and so reverted it. who-am-i 22:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Which one was he born in, West Chester, Pennsylvania or Westchester, New York? The biography and the photo caption conflict.
White Plains, NY is in Westchester County New York, not West Chester, PA! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.180.38 ( talk) 22:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
should be Hasidic Jew not Jewish Hasidic
Needs citation -
The otherwise critical New York Times' Kelefa Sanneh has compared him to "early dancehall reggae stars like Barrington Levy and Eek-a-Mouse." The Chicago Tribune's Kevin Pang has described a Matisyahu performance as "soul-shaking brand of dancehall reggae, a show that captures both the jam band vibe of Phish and the ska-punk of Sublime." Reviewers generally agree that Matisyahu may disappoint reggae purists, but acknowledge the unique blend of musical traditions that Matisyahu harnesses generally please the people who see his performances.
Chart positions in the Singles section do not agree with the King Without a Crown article. Cite some sources for the info?— mjb 23:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Am curious to what other popular ones there are, and if there could be any linking to them in the article? Mathmo 10:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
someone should write down something about Matis' cutting ties with JDUB! -- 80.134.180.183 16:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
hes a rap artist not a reggae artist right?
In the albums section, the album "Live at Stubb's" has a bracket after it saying (live). I think the fact that the article is called LIVE at Stubb's sought of implies that the album is live. In fact, the bracket just makes the article seem stupid, almost scremer at the reader "I assume that you are a total idiot, so I will continue to point out the obvious to you". (And yes i actually have heard an article say that to me.) -- Will James 02:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is accurate. Shouldn't it be 2 studio albums ("Shake Off the Dust" and "Youth"), 1 live album ("Live At Stubbs") and 1 remix album ("No Place to Be")? Is the Youth Dub even considered an album when it's more of a bonus disc? It's not a huge issue but I'm a little confused. 203.131.167.26 09:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I re-added the Internet Archive link, which someone had removed (possibly under the misapprehension that it was some sort of link spam). It is, in fact, the only documentation, so far, that he belongs in the Category:Taper-friendly musicians. If you're going to remove the link, you either also have to remove the category (which would be inappropriate, since he clearly qualifies), or you need to expand the article to document his taping policies (which would be better, but I don't have the time to do it right now). The Internet Archive is a library—an official member of the American Library Association, in fact—and is funded by the Smithsonian, among others. There should be no problems with linking to it. Xtifr tälk 09:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
One day I looked at Matisyahu's page and thought that there was something missing. As it turned out, I thought that Matisyahu's picture was not so great. I do, however, have some very good, full, face forward pictures of Matisyahu that would look much better. So, I will allow others to debate on whether there should be a change of picture before I do change the current one. I also thought I should say something about my idea before I went off changing things so.... And also while we're at it, I heard on the Jay Leno Show only about a week or so ago that, when Matisyahu was on his show, that Matisyahu is, in fact, from Philly....??? Lana lang 17:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
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I noticed that under genre in the musician template it says "neo-psychadelia" and "dancehall". I think both of these can be heavily contested, especially neo-psychadelia. Matisyahu does not seem to have any direct influence at all from musicians like Hendrix or the Beatles. Also, the main tenet of dancehall is the use of digitally-produced riddims, which Matisyahu doesn't, at least ususally use (He might use one on the song "Indestructible", but that is all I can think of). He does have his own, rock-oriented band. I think that the genres he can be classified as most definately are reggae, rock, and hip-hop, and I guess to a lesser extent, ska, based on his bands' use of the distinctive reggae offbeat guitar in most of his songs (such as "Unique is My Dove", "King Without a Crown", "Close My Eyes", "Exaltation", etc.), and the use of guitar distortion and guitar solos as well. Obviously, Matisyahu has a very "fusion-ish" sound that has charateristics of multiple genres, but I really doubt neo-psychadelia is a direct influence. Also, Matisyahu has stated himself that he listened to reggae as a kid, and that reggae is his largest influence. I am going to remove neo-psychadelia and dancehall (dancehall might be alright), if anyone thinks different, say on this talk page. Arnesh 10:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to know what are Matisyahu's views on homosexuality. I already asked it on the reference desk, but no-one could answer. Does anyone know it? Has he ever talked about it during an interview? A.Z. 07:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The Torah is pretty against Homosexuality, it's considered to'eiva a disgrace. Eating pork is only liable for lashes, but sodomy is death.
Youth is to me is about standing up to the older people who have lived in a empty society. The aspect is that we all need some sort of spirituality and the consequences of what happens how a spiritual void is filled. It all clicked for me when I had to deal with the anti-religious Jewish establishment that ran the Hillel at the University of South Florida and I was working to do quality Jewish programming. Saxophonemn ( talk) 19:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me where he has mentioned that he is Straight Edge? Sion 04:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Matisyahu is not "straight edge" because he smokes cigarettes. To be straight edge you have to abstain from smoking. —Preceding
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72.22.106.112 ( talk) 18:41, 21 February 2013 (UTC)VT March 2013 no shankbone, no processed foods? What kind of a Messiah singer is he?
On the German Wikipedia, there's a list of his works, including Live at Stubb's etc. But there are also some titles I have never heard of, and they are not listed on this article. Does anybody know something about these two:
-- Elomas 17:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
When I first heard about Matisyahu on MTV, they said something about him trying out for the NHL at some point. Does anybody know anything more about this, because I haven't heard any more about it since. It sounds very unusual, given what we know about his life.
-- Elomas 23:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel that there is too much information about Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach (not 'Shlomo' as he is called many times) on this page? It is not really relevant. More importantly, can anyone verify this statement? "Shlomo became the first rabbi in history to play a guitar". It doesn't seem very likely to me (I mean, King David played a lyre. Wasn't he a Rabbi?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Commontater ( talk • contribs) 10:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Last night's House episode featured a Hasid couple, and the husband looked a lot like Matisyahu, or maybe it's just me. I tried to figure out who it was but I wasn't able to see the credits or anything and I can't find anything online. Maybe someone could find out...? Rurouniyuudai85 ( talk) 15:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I've looked all over and I can't find anything about this discussion article which relates to Belarus. I have therefore removed it from Wikiproject Belarus, as well as removed the Belarus related categories, assuming this to be (admittedly odd) vandalism. If I am wrong, please explain why below and revert my changes. Rudy Breteler ( talk) 22:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The example I found:
from "Matisyahu" Wikipedia entry, 1st paragraph
Known for blending traditional Jewish themes with Reggae, rock and hip hop sounds, Matisyahu is most recognizable for his single "King Without a Crown", which was a surprise Top 40 hit, and for being an Orthodox Jew.
from Google search page description for "Matisyahu" search result #1: www.matisyahuworld.com
Known for blending traditional Jewish themes with Reggae, rock and hip hop sounds, Matisyahu is most recognizable for being a hasidic Jew. --from Google search page description for "Matisyahu" @ www.matisyahuworld.com 67.238.137.94 ( talk) 04:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Vicki S.
As you can see in this interview, he is no longer Chabad-Lubavitch and this might then affect some of the more controversial issues of his conservatism. From that page:
On May 12, 2010, He was on Spicks and Specks, and australian game show. Just a heads up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.53.135.31 ( talk) 11:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
What are his view on the Palestine Question? Is he a zionist or does he support the ultra-othrodox no Israel position or his he a Jewish nationalist or none of the above? I would think and hope he supports the Israeli peace movement and the self-determination of the Palestinian people. cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.49.68.160 ( talk) 12:24, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
If no one can provide a answer, backed with applicable U.S. law, this assertion must be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.128.28 ( talk) 13:20, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
The following paragraphs are syntactically and grammatically deficient. I would clean them up, but seeing the hackles that get raised by newcomers attempting to edit this page, I am keeping my hands off and just noting that without some cleanup, the page looks like a high school essay
Matisyahu then began playing with the Jewish band Pey Dalid.[5] At the age of 19 Miller converted to the Lubavitch school of Hasidic Judaism and renamed himself Matisyahu.
From 2001 through July 2007, Matisyahu was affiliated with the Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic community in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, New York. However, as of July 17, 2007, he told the Miami New Times in an interview that he no longer "necessarily" identifies with the Lubavitch movement. In the interview, he stated that "...the more I'm learning about other types of Jews, I don't want to exclude myself. I felt boxed in."[6] Additionally, in the fall of 2007, while on a family vacation spent primarily in Jerusalem's Nachlaot neighborhood, he expressed interest in another Hasidic sect, that of Karlin.[7] As of November 2007 he has confirmed a preference to pray at the Karliner synagogue in Boro Park where the custom is to ecstatically scream prayers; however he continues to reside in Crown Heights because of his wife's affinity for the community.[8]
Soon after his adoption of hasidism, Matisyahu began studying Torah at Hadar Hatorah, a yeshiva for returnees to Judaism where he wrote and recorded his first album. He counts Bob Marley, Phish,[9] God Street Wine and Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach among his musical inspirations and gives credit to Rabbi Simon Jacobson's book Toward a Meaningful Life for the lyrical inspiration to Youth's title track. As part of his faith, he does not perform in concert on Friday nights in observance of the Jewish Sabbath. An exception to this occurred at a 2007 concert in Fairbanks, Alaska, which was allowed because the sun did not set until 2:00 a.m.[10]
Below are my suggested revisions. Do with them what you will....
"Matisyahu then began playing with the Jewish band Pey Dalid.[5] At the age of 19 Miller associated himself with the
Lubavitch movement of
Haredi Judaism and began using his Hebrew name "Matisyahu". From 2001 through July 2007, Matisyahu was active in the
Chabad-Lubavitch community in the
Crown Heights neighborhood of
Brooklyn; however, in 2007, he told the Miami New Times in an interview that he no longer "necessarily" identifies with the Lubavitch movement. In the interview, he stated that "...the more I'm learning about other types of Jews, I don't want to exclude myself. I felt boxed in."[6] Additionally, in the fall of 2007, while on a family vacation spent primarily in
Jerusalem's
Nachlaot neighborhood, he expressed interest in the
Karliner Hasidic sect.[7] he has since confirmed his preference to for the Karliner synagogue in
Boro Park where the custom is to pray ecstatically; however, he continues to reside in Crown Heights because of his wife's affinity for the community.[8]
Soon after his adoption of Hasidic practice, Matisyahu began study at Hadar Hatorah, a yeshiva which serves the baal teshuva movement. Here is where he wrote and recorded his first album. He counts Bob Marley, Phish,[9] God Street Wine and Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach among his musical inspirations, and gives credit to Rabbi Simon Jacobson's book Toward a Meaningful Life for the lyrical inspiration to Youth's title track. As part of his faith, he does not perform in concert on from sundown on Friday nights through sundown Saturdays in observance of the Jewish Sabbath.
there ya go...
Sesesq ( talk) 20:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I am having troubles trying to make clear which were the claims of the BDS movement to promote the boycott of Matisyahu. One can think that these claims are false, or one can even think that they are falsely stated by the BDS movement to support a conciously racist action. But these are opinions. The only real fact is that the claims that the movement indicated were not against Matisyahu's religion, but against his support of zionism and of Israel military actions. The real statements of the movement should figure clearly in the article, and then if someone wants, together with the judgement of these statements by other organizations, and the respective opinions of those. But it is umbalanced that only the explicit opinion of the sector against the boycott appears.
Luiscob ( talk) 15:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
1 - If you say they mention it than only their source should be used not the April one. 2 - I never said the order of the events came cancellation then explanation, I said outrage then explanation. Big difference 3 - I am not saying to write "without a reason" I am saying the sentence should be cut off before you get to that point.
Here is my proposal:
On August 17, 2015 the Rototom Sunsplash festival in Spain canceled Matisyahu's scheduled appearance, at the request of the BDS Movement. [8]. The decision led many Jewish organizations around the world to criticize the organization of showing racism toward Jews rather than Israel. [9] The BDS Movement in País Valencià stated that their request for boycott "in no case is against Jewish people, in fact there are many Jewish around the world that are part of this [the BDS] movement". [10] Two days later the Spanish government condemned the decision to cancel his appearance. [11] On August 19, the festival apologized to Matisyahu and re-invited him to perform as original scheduled. [12]
Additional changes made: - I took out the explanation from the first sentence. The source doesnt really say what they told BDS, only that they asked for them to cancel. Their explanation came later so its hard to know what they really said since we were not in the meetings - I took out some added wording throughout that didnt seem to really add context, nothing - Fixed some capitalization and spelling
I feel that this captures all of your changes you wish to make but in a more concise paragraph, without any POV pushing or OR.
Thoughts? - Galatz Talk 04:03, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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I have listened to some of his songs. In some songs ( Miracle) he seems to sing in mainstream (American?) English. In other more raggamuffin songs ( King Without a Crown), he sounds to me Jamaican English, but not Jamaican Patois. Am I understanding it well or is that he uses some New York Jewish accent I don't know? -- Error ( talk) 18:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
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I only edited the front page like 30 seconds ago and already it's switched back. Mucho props my friends from the old country! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.200.60 ( talk) 23:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
The opening of the article states "Matisyahu is the Yiddish and stage name of Matthew Paul Miller". Actually, "Matisyahu" is not his Yiddish name but rather the Ashkenazi pronunciation of his Hebrew name. While the two obviously employ the same accent, they are still different (as for the difference for this word between Ashkenazi and Sephardic Hebrew pronunciation, the only different is the use of the "s" sound in MatiSyahu instead of a "t" sound in MatiTyahu. 71.103.147.36
The Origin of the name section of the article states that the name is an Ashkenazic variant of the Biblical "Matityahu." This misleads the reader into thinking that the pronunciation of the name with the "T" instead of "S" is more authentically Biblical or more ancient. There is no evidence for this. I am rephrasing.-- NYCJosh ( talk) 19:17, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
Its noted that matisyahu is a lubavitch chasidic, however, that sect split into to camps upon the death of the grand rebbe (the one embroiled in the crown heights riots incident wherein his driver, with him in the car, ran down two children, killing one of them), one set looking for a new rebbe, the other set considering the dead rebbe to be the messiah, who would return from the dead before long. Is it known which of these two groups matisyahu belongs to? A few of his songs mention something that sounds like 'mesh-iak', would be interesting to know if he is talking about the rebbe.
Guy's, I'm restoring my RV'd comment about Matis's Messianism. I am not accusing Matis of being a Meschichist, nor am I bashing Chabad messianism. I am simply documenting accusations, and hopefully attracting some counter-opinions. -- OneTopJob6 03:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I've recently heard a bridge at a live concert where matisyahu sang "yechi", so he has to be a meshichist.
Way too much cruft. Wikipedia is not a forum for pulicizing tour dates. Additionally, not every article that has been written about him needs to be on the website; and certainly not the same article in two different languages. Daykart 18:44, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't this information be on Jewish names? Daykart 01:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
There seems to be a complete political and religious contradicition. Rastafarianism has nothing in common with hassidism. Has this man expressed opinions on the Middle East, Jews and Arabs, the Iraq war or smoking pot ? 74.56.192.163 22:05, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
3000 years? Isn't it 1900 years? 210.84.35.104 18:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Allegations of sexism should be included. For example, his refusal to shake hands with women. Another incident involved refusing to share a stage with musician Eve, for fear he might come in physical contact. --AWF
Hi, please sign your comments with the four tildes ~~~~ so we can know who made the comment. Shlomke 02:10, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with fear of physical contact with other women. It is a cultral respect to the wife which was agreed upon in the wedding contract. 210.84.35.104 18:31, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
For your reference, Matis is Shomer Negiah. It is a common practice among Chabad.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9309170/matisyahu_brings_kosher_vibration I am looking for input as to the phrasing of the section. Pink-thunderbolt ( talk) 04:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
I think that this information needs to be put in. Although he may not find it offensive, and although it very well may not be offensive, it still can come off as offensive, as it marks a difference between the treatment of men and women (and does so concerning an issue that many feel is a matter of respect, a handshake). Also, just because something has a religious justification, this does not mean it is not sexist. I am not saying that Matisyahu is sexist, but only that the point of Wikipedia is to present the facts so that the readers can make up their own minds. Personally, I never fully understood the reasons for his refusal to go on stage with Eve (they don't have to touch, is it because of the no singing in public thing [that the second article below mentions]?), and I was hoping to find some answers to this issue on Wikipedia. I think both an explanation of what his actions are, and why he chooses those actions would be a great addition to Wikipedia. I would add it myself, but I see there is already a discussion going on about it, and I didn't want to step on any toes, although I can do it if no one who feels more comfortable gets around to it. The following two sources discuss the issues
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9309170/matisyahu_brings_kosher_vibration - talks about his refusal to shake hands http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9363668/matisyahu_hasidic_hot_stepper - talks about his refusal to perform with Eve 74.109.11.214 ( talk) 20:35, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Oy, sh'miras negiah is Hebrew for guarding the touch. It's a stringency to avoid inappropriate touching between the sexes. A man can't shake a woman's hand and vice a versa at the most stringent level. More liberal views are that handshaking is so common place that it's not a "sexual" act. You can't look at it from a sexually desensitized world where posters in the city have barely clothed people. What many of the people here posted derogatorily is a double standard. When Muslims won't do the same practice it's always wow, what a wonderful culture, but when it's Jews it's an affront on women. When I was at a Matisyahu concert in the Spring of '05in Gun Wavin' New Haven, there was a girl crowd surfing, and she fell to the ground when she was pushed towards the Jewish guys.
Seems like just a mean spirited way to say "changed", by someone who wanted a slight anti-christian tone to the paragraph. At the bottom, about the name being "Corrupted" into the Christian form of Matthew.
Can anyone give a source to the fact that "Matisyahu belongs to Congregation Miskan (Mishkan) Tefila" ?
a google search for "Mishkan Tefila" brought up a Conservative synagogue in Chestnut Hill, Massachusetts, however Matisyahu is an orthodox jew living in Brooklyn. Shlomke 20:06, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
hey, to the wikipedian who removed the amazon link [1] with no further explanation: it is NOT advertising for the company or artist, especially since MC Truth aka Matisyahu is not even featured on that album in question. however, that link is crucial because the "About the Artist" paragraph contains a band line-up written by MC Mystic - and it is the only place besides of archive.org and the jdub board that info can be found at all.
my point is, many articles have that nice "article lacks sources citing" tag; but when you add sources, someone comes along and removes them all? I dont get it. feel free to enlighten me! who-am-i 21:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
good find. I removed the part about MC Mystic's complaint but added that rolling stone article. I think someone should rephrase everthing now who-am-i 17:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
sorry my bad, i really didnt see it, thought it was completely removed and so reverted it. who-am-i 22:19, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Which one was he born in, West Chester, Pennsylvania or Westchester, New York? The biography and the photo caption conflict.
White Plains, NY is in Westchester County New York, not West Chester, PA! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.180.38 ( talk) 22:09, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
should be Hasidic Jew not Jewish Hasidic
Needs citation -
The otherwise critical New York Times' Kelefa Sanneh has compared him to "early dancehall reggae stars like Barrington Levy and Eek-a-Mouse." The Chicago Tribune's Kevin Pang has described a Matisyahu performance as "soul-shaking brand of dancehall reggae, a show that captures both the jam band vibe of Phish and the ska-punk of Sublime." Reviewers generally agree that Matisyahu may disappoint reggae purists, but acknowledge the unique blend of musical traditions that Matisyahu harnesses generally please the people who see his performances.
Chart positions in the Singles section do not agree with the King Without a Crown article. Cite some sources for the info?— mjb 23:47, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Am curious to what other popular ones there are, and if there could be any linking to them in the article? Mathmo 10:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
someone should write down something about Matis' cutting ties with JDUB! -- 80.134.180.183 16:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
hes a rap artist not a reggae artist right?
In the albums section, the album "Live at Stubb's" has a bracket after it saying (live). I think the fact that the article is called LIVE at Stubb's sought of implies that the album is live. In fact, the bracket just makes the article seem stupid, almost scremer at the reader "I assume that you are a total idiot, so I will continue to point out the obvious to you". (And yes i actually have heard an article say that to me.) -- Will James 02:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is accurate. Shouldn't it be 2 studio albums ("Shake Off the Dust" and "Youth"), 1 live album ("Live At Stubbs") and 1 remix album ("No Place to Be")? Is the Youth Dub even considered an album when it's more of a bonus disc? It's not a huge issue but I'm a little confused. 203.131.167.26 09:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I re-added the Internet Archive link, which someone had removed (possibly under the misapprehension that it was some sort of link spam). It is, in fact, the only documentation, so far, that he belongs in the Category:Taper-friendly musicians. If you're going to remove the link, you either also have to remove the category (which would be inappropriate, since he clearly qualifies), or you need to expand the article to document his taping policies (which would be better, but I don't have the time to do it right now). The Internet Archive is a library—an official member of the American Library Association, in fact—and is funded by the Smithsonian, among others. There should be no problems with linking to it. Xtifr tälk 09:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
One day I looked at Matisyahu's page and thought that there was something missing. As it turned out, I thought that Matisyahu's picture was not so great. I do, however, have some very good, full, face forward pictures of Matisyahu that would look much better. So, I will allow others to debate on whether there should be a change of picture before I do change the current one. I also thought I should say something about my idea before I went off changing things so.... And also while we're at it, I heard on the Jay Leno Show only about a week or so ago that, when Matisyahu was on his show, that Matisyahu is, in fact, from Philly....??? Lana lang 17:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
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I noticed that under genre in the musician template it says "neo-psychadelia" and "dancehall". I think both of these can be heavily contested, especially neo-psychadelia. Matisyahu does not seem to have any direct influence at all from musicians like Hendrix or the Beatles. Also, the main tenet of dancehall is the use of digitally-produced riddims, which Matisyahu doesn't, at least ususally use (He might use one on the song "Indestructible", but that is all I can think of). He does have his own, rock-oriented band. I think that the genres he can be classified as most definately are reggae, rock, and hip-hop, and I guess to a lesser extent, ska, based on his bands' use of the distinctive reggae offbeat guitar in most of his songs (such as "Unique is My Dove", "King Without a Crown", "Close My Eyes", "Exaltation", etc.), and the use of guitar distortion and guitar solos as well. Obviously, Matisyahu has a very "fusion-ish" sound that has charateristics of multiple genres, but I really doubt neo-psychadelia is a direct influence. Also, Matisyahu has stated himself that he listened to reggae as a kid, and that reggae is his largest influence. I am going to remove neo-psychadelia and dancehall (dancehall might be alright), if anyone thinks different, say on this talk page. Arnesh 10:31, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to know what are Matisyahu's views on homosexuality. I already asked it on the reference desk, but no-one could answer. Does anyone know it? Has he ever talked about it during an interview? A.Z. 07:45, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
The Torah is pretty against Homosexuality, it's considered to'eiva a disgrace. Eating pork is only liable for lashes, but sodomy is death.
Youth is to me is about standing up to the older people who have lived in a empty society. The aspect is that we all need some sort of spirituality and the consequences of what happens how a spiritual void is filled. It all clicked for me when I had to deal with the anti-religious Jewish establishment that ran the Hillel at the University of South Florida and I was working to do quality Jewish programming. Saxophonemn ( talk) 19:53, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me where he has mentioned that he is Straight Edge? Sion 04:04, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Matisyahu is not "straight edge" because he smokes cigarettes. To be straight edge you have to abstain from smoking. —Preceding
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talk) 19:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
72.22.106.112 ( talk) 18:41, 21 February 2013 (UTC)VT March 2013 no shankbone, no processed foods? What kind of a Messiah singer is he?
On the German Wikipedia, there's a list of his works, including Live at Stubb's etc. But there are also some titles I have never heard of, and they are not listed on this article. Does anybody know something about these two:
-- Elomas 17:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
When I first heard about Matisyahu on MTV, they said something about him trying out for the NHL at some point. Does anybody know anything more about this, because I haven't heard any more about it since. It sounds very unusual, given what we know about his life.
-- Elomas 23:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone else feel that there is too much information about Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach (not 'Shlomo' as he is called many times) on this page? It is not really relevant. More importantly, can anyone verify this statement? "Shlomo became the first rabbi in history to play a guitar". It doesn't seem very likely to me (I mean, King David played a lyre. Wasn't he a Rabbi?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Commontater ( talk • contribs) 10:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
Last night's House episode featured a Hasid couple, and the husband looked a lot like Matisyahu, or maybe it's just me. I tried to figure out who it was but I wasn't able to see the credits or anything and I can't find anything online. Maybe someone could find out...? Rurouniyuudai85 ( talk) 15:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I've looked all over and I can't find anything about this discussion article which relates to Belarus. I have therefore removed it from Wikiproject Belarus, as well as removed the Belarus related categories, assuming this to be (admittedly odd) vandalism. If I am wrong, please explain why below and revert my changes. Rudy Breteler ( talk) 22:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
The example I found:
from "Matisyahu" Wikipedia entry, 1st paragraph
Known for blending traditional Jewish themes with Reggae, rock and hip hop sounds, Matisyahu is most recognizable for his single "King Without a Crown", which was a surprise Top 40 hit, and for being an Orthodox Jew.
from Google search page description for "Matisyahu" search result #1: www.matisyahuworld.com
Known for blending traditional Jewish themes with Reggae, rock and hip hop sounds, Matisyahu is most recognizable for being a hasidic Jew. --from Google search page description for "Matisyahu" @ www.matisyahuworld.com 67.238.137.94 ( talk) 04:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Vicki S.
As you can see in this interview, he is no longer Chabad-Lubavitch and this might then affect some of the more controversial issues of his conservatism. From that page:
On May 12, 2010, He was on Spicks and Specks, and australian game show. Just a heads up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.53.135.31 ( talk) 11:08, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
What are his view on the Palestine Question? Is he a zionist or does he support the ultra-othrodox no Israel position or his he a Jewish nationalist or none of the above? I would think and hope he supports the Israeli peace movement and the self-determination of the Palestinian people. cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.49.68.160 ( talk) 12:24, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
If no one can provide a answer, backed with applicable U.S. law, this assertion must be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.127.128.28 ( talk) 13:20, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
The following paragraphs are syntactically and grammatically deficient. I would clean them up, but seeing the hackles that get raised by newcomers attempting to edit this page, I am keeping my hands off and just noting that without some cleanup, the page looks like a high school essay
Matisyahu then began playing with the Jewish band Pey Dalid.[5] At the age of 19 Miller converted to the Lubavitch school of Hasidic Judaism and renamed himself Matisyahu.
From 2001 through July 2007, Matisyahu was affiliated with the Chabad-Lubavitch Hasidic community in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, New York. However, as of July 17, 2007, he told the Miami New Times in an interview that he no longer "necessarily" identifies with the Lubavitch movement. In the interview, he stated that "...the more I'm learning about other types of Jews, I don't want to exclude myself. I felt boxed in."[6] Additionally, in the fall of 2007, while on a family vacation spent primarily in Jerusalem's Nachlaot neighborhood, he expressed interest in another Hasidic sect, that of Karlin.[7] As of November 2007 he has confirmed a preference to pray at the Karliner synagogue in Boro Park where the custom is to ecstatically scream prayers; however he continues to reside in Crown Heights because of his wife's affinity for the community.[8]
Soon after his adoption of hasidism, Matisyahu began studying Torah at Hadar Hatorah, a yeshiva for returnees to Judaism where he wrote and recorded his first album. He counts Bob Marley, Phish,[9] God Street Wine and Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach among his musical inspirations and gives credit to Rabbi Simon Jacobson's book Toward a Meaningful Life for the lyrical inspiration to Youth's title track. As part of his faith, he does not perform in concert on Friday nights in observance of the Jewish Sabbath. An exception to this occurred at a 2007 concert in Fairbanks, Alaska, which was allowed because the sun did not set until 2:00 a.m.[10]
Below are my suggested revisions. Do with them what you will....
"Matisyahu then began playing with the Jewish band Pey Dalid.[5] At the age of 19 Miller associated himself with the
Lubavitch movement of
Haredi Judaism and began using his Hebrew name "Matisyahu". From 2001 through July 2007, Matisyahu was active in the
Chabad-Lubavitch community in the
Crown Heights neighborhood of
Brooklyn; however, in 2007, he told the Miami New Times in an interview that he no longer "necessarily" identifies with the Lubavitch movement. In the interview, he stated that "...the more I'm learning about other types of Jews, I don't want to exclude myself. I felt boxed in."[6] Additionally, in the fall of 2007, while on a family vacation spent primarily in
Jerusalem's
Nachlaot neighborhood, he expressed interest in the
Karliner Hasidic sect.[7] he has since confirmed his preference to for the Karliner synagogue in
Boro Park where the custom is to pray ecstatically; however, he continues to reside in Crown Heights because of his wife's affinity for the community.[8]
Soon after his adoption of Hasidic practice, Matisyahu began study at Hadar Hatorah, a yeshiva which serves the baal teshuva movement. Here is where he wrote and recorded his first album. He counts Bob Marley, Phish,[9] God Street Wine and Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach among his musical inspirations, and gives credit to Rabbi Simon Jacobson's book Toward a Meaningful Life for the lyrical inspiration to Youth's title track. As part of his faith, he does not perform in concert on from sundown on Friday nights through sundown Saturdays in observance of the Jewish Sabbath.
there ya go...
Sesesq ( talk) 20:30, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I am having troubles trying to make clear which were the claims of the BDS movement to promote the boycott of Matisyahu. One can think that these claims are false, or one can even think that they are falsely stated by the BDS movement to support a conciously racist action. But these are opinions. The only real fact is that the claims that the movement indicated were not against Matisyahu's religion, but against his support of zionism and of Israel military actions. The real statements of the movement should figure clearly in the article, and then if someone wants, together with the judgement of these statements by other organizations, and the respective opinions of those. But it is umbalanced that only the explicit opinion of the sector against the boycott appears.
Luiscob ( talk) 15:03, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
1 - If you say they mention it than only their source should be used not the April one. 2 - I never said the order of the events came cancellation then explanation, I said outrage then explanation. Big difference 3 - I am not saying to write "without a reason" I am saying the sentence should be cut off before you get to that point.
Here is my proposal:
On August 17, 2015 the Rototom Sunsplash festival in Spain canceled Matisyahu's scheduled appearance, at the request of the BDS Movement. [8]. The decision led many Jewish organizations around the world to criticize the organization of showing racism toward Jews rather than Israel. [9] The BDS Movement in País Valencià stated that their request for boycott "in no case is against Jewish people, in fact there are many Jewish around the world that are part of this [the BDS] movement". [10] Two days later the Spanish government condemned the decision to cancel his appearance. [11] On August 19, the festival apologized to Matisyahu and re-invited him to perform as original scheduled. [12]
Additional changes made: - I took out the explanation from the first sentence. The source doesnt really say what they told BDS, only that they asked for them to cancel. Their explanation came later so its hard to know what they really said since we were not in the meetings - I took out some added wording throughout that didnt seem to really add context, nothing - Fixed some capitalization and spelling
I feel that this captures all of your changes you wish to make but in a more concise paragraph, without any POV pushing or OR.
Thoughts? - Galatz Talk 04:03, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
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I have listened to some of his songs. In some songs ( Miracle) he seems to sing in mainstream (American?) English. In other more raggamuffin songs ( King Without a Crown), he sounds to me Jamaican English, but not Jamaican Patois. Am I understanding it well or is that he uses some New York Jewish accent I don't know? -- Error ( talk) 18:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)