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Hello Horse Eye's Back, the section "Writings" had 4 sub-sections: Books in English (3 titles), Books in Portuguese (8), Introductions (12) and Articles & Essays (20). You deleted everything except 2 introductions in Portuguese [1]. May I ask you the reason for deleting 41 titles? Manamaris ( talk) 09:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Is this author's notability sufficient to justify an article? Please have a look at the article before it was partially deleted by Horse Eye's Back: [3]. Manamaris ( talk) 15:50, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello Esowteric, I would appreciate your help, if you have the time. I will take care of the bare URLs, but first I would like to know 1) which sources are not acceptable in the Life and Work sections, i.e. references 1 to 10, and why they are not; 2) which parts of the article are promotional and should be removed. Thank you very much, Manamaris ( talk) 09:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello Randy Kryn, if you have the time, would you accept to read the current draft and let me know: 1) which sources are not acceptable in Life and Work sections (ref. 1 to 10), and why they are not; 2) which parts of the article are promotional and should be removed? If you don't have the time or the will to do it, can you recommend me someone? Thank you, -- Manamaris ( talk) 09:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello Quisqualis, I made the requested changes, can you tell me what I should do now? Thank you, -- Manamaris ( talk) 11:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
The Mateus Soares de Azevedo article on the Portuguese Wikipedia site may be of use to you. Regards, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 07:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
I took a look at that article in machine translation. The current draft appears to be a more or less direct translation of Mateus Soares de Azevedo It contains many passages with word-for word copying from the Portuguese version. Therefore, I think it would have been wise for the author to have given attribution in the edit summary at the time of creation. What was noted in the summary was a claim that the draft was a recreation/revision of an earlier article which had been draftified.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 18:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
As it now stands, it really doesn't look like the article is sufficiently notable for publication on Wikipedia. You should be looking for a minimum of (say) three reliable, independent, secondary sources that give the subject significant mention. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:35, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
After writing above: "There are many other Brazilian newspaper articles about the author...", I went through them one by one and I realize that there are actually very few that can be accepted as a source.
- In addition to the 3 sources mentioned above, there is, in the newspaper Folha de Sao Paolo (1 April 2006), a 24-line article by Paulo Daniel Farah, professor at the Faculty of Philosophy, Humanities and Social Sciences of the University of Sao Paolo; title of the article: "Work discusses inter-faith relations"; extract: “At a time when so many so-called insurmountable obstacles in inter-religious relations are announced and distortions and radicalizations are increasing, understanding the religious phenomenon is a pressing challenge. In A Inteligência da Fé ("The Intelligence of Faith"), Mateus Soares de Azevedo explains that, according to perennial philosophy, religions are determined by Ideas, in the Platonic sense of the term, or perennial spiritual archetypes, which manifest themselves from time to time in the world of history and mutability. Christianity embodies one of these spiritual archetypes, just as Islam, Judaism and the other religions do...".
- There is also this book review of Ordens Sufis no Islã ("Sufi Orders in Islam"):
[5] (this site is neither the publisher's nor a seller's site).
- And there is also a second review by Sotillo, published in the journal Critique, Vol. 17, N° 1-2, 2021, pp. 99-101
[6], but I will not use it because it is as favourable to the author as the first one (Parabola). I will thus modify the draft according to these data and to your remarks. I would be very grateful if you could correct my English, and thank you for your comments and modifications. --
Manamaris (
talk)
18:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
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Hello Horse Eye's Back, the section "Writings" had 4 sub-sections: Books in English (3 titles), Books in Portuguese (8), Introductions (12) and Articles & Essays (20). You deleted everything except 2 introductions in Portuguese [1]. May I ask you the reason for deleting 41 titles? Manamaris ( talk) 09:20, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Is this author's notability sufficient to justify an article? Please have a look at the article before it was partially deleted by Horse Eye's Back: [3]. Manamaris ( talk) 15:50, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello Esowteric, I would appreciate your help, if you have the time. I will take care of the bare URLs, but first I would like to know 1) which sources are not acceptable in the Life and Work sections, i.e. references 1 to 10, and why they are not; 2) which parts of the article are promotional and should be removed. Thank you very much, Manamaris ( talk) 09:41, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Hello Randy Kryn, if you have the time, would you accept to read the current draft and let me know: 1) which sources are not acceptable in Life and Work sections (ref. 1 to 10), and why they are not; 2) which parts of the article are promotional and should be removed? If you don't have the time or the will to do it, can you recommend me someone? Thank you, -- Manamaris ( talk) 09:30, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello Quisqualis, I made the requested changes, can you tell me what I should do now? Thank you, -- Manamaris ( talk) 11:09, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
The Mateus Soares de Azevedo article on the Portuguese Wikipedia site may be of use to you. Regards, Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 07:22, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
I took a look at that article in machine translation. The current draft appears to be a more or less direct translation of Mateus Soares de Azevedo It contains many passages with word-for word copying from the Portuguese version. Therefore, I think it would have been wise for the author to have given attribution in the edit summary at the time of creation. What was noted in the summary was a claim that the draft was a recreation/revision of an earlier article which had been draftified.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 18:49, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
As it now stands, it really doesn't look like the article is sufficiently notable for publication on Wikipedia. You should be looking for a minimum of (say) three reliable, independent, secondary sources that give the subject significant mention. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:35, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
After writing above: "There are many other Brazilian newspaper articles about the author...", I went through them one by one and I realize that there are actually very few that can be accepted as a source.
- In addition to the 3 sources mentioned above, there is, in the newspaper Folha de Sao Paolo (1 April 2006), a 24-line article by Paulo Daniel Farah, professor at the Faculty of Philosophy, Humanities and Social Sciences of the University of Sao Paolo; title of the article: "Work discusses inter-faith relations"; extract: “At a time when so many so-called insurmountable obstacles in inter-religious relations are announced and distortions and radicalizations are increasing, understanding the religious phenomenon is a pressing challenge. In A Inteligência da Fé ("The Intelligence of Faith"), Mateus Soares de Azevedo explains that, according to perennial philosophy, religions are determined by Ideas, in the Platonic sense of the term, or perennial spiritual archetypes, which manifest themselves from time to time in the world of history and mutability. Christianity embodies one of these spiritual archetypes, just as Islam, Judaism and the other religions do...".
- There is also this book review of Ordens Sufis no Islã ("Sufi Orders in Islam"):
[5] (this site is neither the publisher's nor a seller's site).
- And there is also a second review by Sotillo, published in the journal Critique, Vol. 17, N° 1-2, 2021, pp. 99-101
[6], but I will not use it because it is as favourable to the author as the first one (Parabola). I will thus modify the draft according to these data and to your remarks. I would be very grateful if you could correct my English, and thank you for your comments and modifications. --
Manamaris (
talk)
18:31, 7 February 2023 (UTC)