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could add a link to the Tate gallery online can't really think of any points that wouldn't be covered elsewhere e.g. paintings, sculptures. : AllieK
This system also subsists in France. Rhinoracer 13:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Removed the Sgt. Pepper references, as they seem entirely out of place in this article. Trevor ( talk) 05:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Electric Ladyland is cited in its article as "the peak of Hendrix's mastery of the electric guitar, and is frequently cited as one of the greatest rock albums of all time", and while Are You Experienced contains many of their most famous work, Ladyland is arguably their best defining work and their masterpicie. It was also their last work (all other after are remanecent tapes, no matter how much they follow Hendrix's style).
Added Stairway to Heaven, a situable example.
Why is the link to princeton wordnet important? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Masterpiece&diff=223674538&oldid=222337428 ) The definition/synonym from wordnet are "chef-d'oeuvre (the most outstanding work of a creative artist or craftsman)" and "(an outstanding achievement)". Wikitionary has more than that. 84.203.39.26 ( talk) 08:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Currently the article starts "Originally, the term masterpiece referred to a piece of work produced by an apprentice aspiring to become a master craftsman in the old European guild system, on which his fitness to qualify for guild membership was judged, and which, if he was successful, was retained by the guild. Great care was therefore taken to produce a fine piece in whatever the craft was, whether painting, goldsmithing, knifemaking, or many other trades." This is inaccurate, as it was only a masterpiece IF he was sucessful. I attempted to substitute "Under the old European guild system a journeyman could be received as a master craftsman. This would require the approval of all masters of a guild, a donation of money and other goods, and in many practical handicrafts the production of a so-called masterpiece, which would illustrate the abilities of the aspiring master craftsman." but had it reverted as too specific? Research Method ( talk) 03:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
The first line is too specific, contradicts the body of the article, and is not supported by any references. Research Method ( talk) 04:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Is an E-Type Jaguar a masterpiece? It has certainly been described as such. Can we reach a consensus on this. Research Method ( talk) 02:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Please provide a rationale for this, including a description of the genres which should be added to the article. Peas & Luv ( talk) 17:22, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Reconsider the entire example section. Consider either removing the section because it's very subjective, especially the more modern ones, or giving easily recognized and near universally accepted examples like David and Mona Lisa as pictured in the article. -- 173.69.175.155 ( talk) 23:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
All of the masterpieces cited are acceptable to Muslims and Jews. Mr.Slade ( talk) 22:09, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
It is ridiculous to be so restrictive as to limit illustrations to portrayals of the human form. Why not the taj mahal or An Oak Tree? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 06:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I got here following a link called "magnum opus". Now that goes to "masterpiece" which is fine as they are perfectly equivalent terms. However there are alternate disambiguation pages for "masterpiece" and "magnum opus". There is no reason for separate "magnum opus" and "masterpiece" articles both essentially like this one. The top of the article should probably link to both disambiguation pages I think. I'm not sure how to create an alternate "other uses" link matching "magnum opus". Ekwos ( talk) 23:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Before adding more additions ad infinitum, first achieve consensus here... Modernist ( talk) 14:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Add:
I have removed all of these examples. Calling something a masterpiece is a subjective, POV decision. Thus, it must be sourced by a high quality source with the credentials to judge such a work. Yes, I certainly think that some of those things I removed deserve to be called "masterpieces", but my subjective judgment doesn't cut it on Wikipedia. If any of them are re-added with a source, the line should probably read, "Examples of works that have been described as masterpieces are..." 04:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Can't a masterpiece also refer to a piece by a classical composer?-- 95.116.210.145 ( talk) 02:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the unreferenced "Originally the paper which a student needs to present in order to gain the degree of Master of Arts was also such a "masterpiece" - i.e. a fine piece of scholarship, the particular craft in which the student sought to be admitted as a master craftsman." because I don't think it's true, in English anyway - but I could be wrong. This meaning is not in OED. Anyone (with a reference)? Johnbod ( talk) 11:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
The sources given for the statement that Mona Lisa "is the archetypal masterpiece" of painting, while making abundantly clear that the work is the best-known on a cultural level, do not support the assertion that Mona Lisa is the archetypal masterpiece of painting. They would support the claim that it is the most famous of all acclaimed paintings. This is an important difference. AndrewOne ( talk) 03:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0553818309 R. A. Scotti - 2010 - Preview - More editions "As the crown jewel of the Louvre collection, Mona Lisa had become a symbol of the stale museum art that the avant-garde believed was stifling new ideas and new talent. She was the archetype of the dead masterpieces they were rejecting ..." Johnbod ( talk) 02:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
In Chapter 2 of “The Craftsman”, Richard Sennett distinguishes between the chef d’œvre which was, he says, the gate between Apprentice and Journeyman, and the chef d’œvre élevé which took the Journeyman to the rank of Master. Is that worth mentioning in the article? 70.123.153.76 ( talk) 02:20, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
This article's words are mainly about the guild system of long ago. This word "masterpiece" is in modern use, so I made a new section with that title, put in the sentence from the lead, and added a sentence about the novel David Copperfield being considered the masterpiece of Charles Dickens. I included the sources used for that statement in the English Wikipedia and French Wikipedia re the novel.
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could add a link to the Tate gallery online can't really think of any points that wouldn't be covered elsewhere e.g. paintings, sculptures. : AllieK
This system also subsists in France. Rhinoracer 13:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Removed the Sgt. Pepper references, as they seem entirely out of place in this article. Trevor ( talk) 05:40, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Electric Ladyland is cited in its article as "the peak of Hendrix's mastery of the electric guitar, and is frequently cited as one of the greatest rock albums of all time", and while Are You Experienced contains many of their most famous work, Ladyland is arguably their best defining work and their masterpicie. It was also their last work (all other after are remanecent tapes, no matter how much they follow Hendrix's style).
Added Stairway to Heaven, a situable example.
Why is the link to princeton wordnet important? (see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Masterpiece&diff=223674538&oldid=222337428 ) The definition/synonym from wordnet are "chef-d'oeuvre (the most outstanding work of a creative artist or craftsman)" and "(an outstanding achievement)". Wikitionary has more than that. 84.203.39.26 ( talk) 08:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Currently the article starts "Originally, the term masterpiece referred to a piece of work produced by an apprentice aspiring to become a master craftsman in the old European guild system, on which his fitness to qualify for guild membership was judged, and which, if he was successful, was retained by the guild. Great care was therefore taken to produce a fine piece in whatever the craft was, whether painting, goldsmithing, knifemaking, or many other trades." This is inaccurate, as it was only a masterpiece IF he was sucessful. I attempted to substitute "Under the old European guild system a journeyman could be received as a master craftsman. This would require the approval of all masters of a guild, a donation of money and other goods, and in many practical handicrafts the production of a so-called masterpiece, which would illustrate the abilities of the aspiring master craftsman." but had it reverted as too specific? Research Method ( talk) 03:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
The first line is too specific, contradicts the body of the article, and is not supported by any references. Research Method ( talk) 04:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Is an E-Type Jaguar a masterpiece? It has certainly been described as such. Can we reach a consensus on this. Research Method ( talk) 02:45, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
Please provide a rationale for this, including a description of the genres which should be added to the article. Peas & Luv ( talk) 17:22, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Reconsider the entire example section. Consider either removing the section because it's very subjective, especially the more modern ones, or giving easily recognized and near universally accepted examples like David and Mona Lisa as pictured in the article. -- 173.69.175.155 ( talk) 23:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
All of the masterpieces cited are acceptable to Muslims and Jews. Mr.Slade ( talk) 22:09, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
It is ridiculous to be so restrictive as to limit illustrations to portrayals of the human form. Why not the taj mahal or An Oak Tree? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 06:05, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I got here following a link called "magnum opus". Now that goes to "masterpiece" which is fine as they are perfectly equivalent terms. However there are alternate disambiguation pages for "masterpiece" and "magnum opus". There is no reason for separate "magnum opus" and "masterpiece" articles both essentially like this one. The top of the article should probably link to both disambiguation pages I think. I'm not sure how to create an alternate "other uses" link matching "magnum opus". Ekwos ( talk) 23:48, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Before adding more additions ad infinitum, first achieve consensus here... Modernist ( talk) 14:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Add:
I have removed all of these examples. Calling something a masterpiece is a subjective, POV decision. Thus, it must be sourced by a high quality source with the credentials to judge such a work. Yes, I certainly think that some of those things I removed deserve to be called "masterpieces", but my subjective judgment doesn't cut it on Wikipedia. If any of them are re-added with a source, the line should probably read, "Examples of works that have been described as masterpieces are..." 04:03, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Can't a masterpiece also refer to a piece by a classical composer?-- 95.116.210.145 ( talk) 02:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
I've removed the unreferenced "Originally the paper which a student needs to present in order to gain the degree of Master of Arts was also such a "masterpiece" - i.e. a fine piece of scholarship, the particular craft in which the student sought to be admitted as a master craftsman." because I don't think it's true, in English anyway - but I could be wrong. This meaning is not in OED. Anyone (with a reference)? Johnbod ( talk) 11:39, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
The sources given for the statement that Mona Lisa "is the archetypal masterpiece" of painting, while making abundantly clear that the work is the best-known on a cultural level, do not support the assertion that Mona Lisa is the archetypal masterpiece of painting. They would support the claim that it is the most famous of all acclaimed paintings. This is an important difference. AndrewOne ( talk) 03:50, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0553818309 R. A. Scotti - 2010 - Preview - More editions "As the crown jewel of the Louvre collection, Mona Lisa had become a symbol of the stale museum art that the avant-garde believed was stifling new ideas and new talent. She was the archetype of the dead masterpieces they were rejecting ..." Johnbod ( talk) 02:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
In Chapter 2 of “The Craftsman”, Richard Sennett distinguishes between the chef d’œvre which was, he says, the gate between Apprentice and Journeyman, and the chef d’œvre élevé which took the Journeyman to the rank of Master. Is that worth mentioning in the article? 70.123.153.76 ( talk) 02:20, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
This article's words are mainly about the guild system of long ago. This word "masterpiece" is in modern use, so I made a new section with that title, put in the sentence from the lead, and added a sentence about the novel David Copperfield being considered the masterpiece of Charles Dickens. I included the sources used for that statement in the English Wikipedia and French Wikipedia re the novel.