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I found the album's first week sales published in Spin, but I think they are highly inflated. To have 250,000 records sold and debut no. 29 is not making any sense.-- Вик Ретлхед ( talk) 12:43, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Is this review reliable enough to be used in the critical reception? Also the "Charts" section can be adapted from the Metallica discography article.-- Вик Ретлхед ( talk) 23:43, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
What improper material is being used? Is it the samples or the cover?-- Вик Ретлхед ( talk) 16:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I think an article shouldn't contain hyperbolic descriptions such as "epic" in the sentence "Referring to the epic proportions of the songs". In my opinion this lowers the scientific value of the statement. Anyone care to share thoughts on this? PeterDeFrankrijker ( talk) 09:59, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey Turkey, thanks for participating in the improvement. I know the page is missing a 'Music style' analysis, so thanks for the link above. I really regret that I lost the access to Mick Wall's biography at Scribd, which was the foundation for the background in the current state. I have an idea to try to merge the 'Touring' and 'Live performances' into one section, and reduce or paraphrase some of the extensive Ulrich quotes. I'll be doing an additional research on the lyrics and artwork. Thanks again and good luck with Sad Wings of Destiny. Look forward to see that at GA or FA!-- Retrohead ( talk) 16:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. A short reply:
Seminal is such a loaded and overly-peacocky term. It's such a heavyweight word that it needs a strong source to back it up, and probably best used in an attributed quote. - SchroCat ( talk) 19:59, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Attributing Master of Puppets with the word 'seminal' isn't fallacious. It isn't peacocky. It isn't even indulgent. This album is seminal. What does seminal mean? That it greatly influenced later works. That isn't ostensible; inspiration drawn from this masterpiece is palpable in many other subsequent releases by a multitude of different thrash metal bands. For a band so regularly accredited with being one of the first four pioneering bands of the genre, it seems somewhat quizzical to me that the inclusion of the word 'seminal' in this article is proving to be so schismatic. It isn't a 'verisimilitudinous', or 'magniloquent', it's a word that music aficionados should be very well familiar with. Describing it as 'influential', on the other hand, is a bit more nebulous: What did it influence, how, and to what degree? 'Seminal' answers all the questions that 'influential' can't. It influenced later works, in a positive fashion, and to a great degree. Want a strong source to back it up? How about this: Virtually every 'top 100 heavy metal albums' list includes this album in the top twenty, at least. Many bands often cite the work as one of their longest abiding musical inspirations, as well.
Alterations of wording are enacted for the sake of cogency--to be clear, precise, and concise. 'Seminal' performs this function with much greater aplomb than 'influential'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghost Lourde ( talk • contribs) 22:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to note that it says "Instead of releasing a single or video to promote Master of Puppets..." I assume it must be talking about time in advance of the album's release? Because in fact, there was one single released to promote it (title track) but it was four months after the album's release date. I was wondering if we could make some tweaks to this part to make it more clear. DannyMusicEditor ( talk) 14:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
J. Hetfield plays two lead parts on album. Read the booklet before deleting my contribution. http://i99.fastpic.ru/big/2018/0109/e7/9134154eab508744e40a429e1f7693e7.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.241.143.168 ( talk) 08:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
This article includes no information on the 2017 Deluxe Edition. The issue is being discussed here. Charles Essie ( talk) 17:34, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
The bpm for battery is for the snare while the bpm for master of puppets and leper messiah is for the hi-hat Whehejtjrhwhaueje ( talk) 09:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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I found the album's first week sales published in Spin, but I think they are highly inflated. To have 250,000 records sold and debut no. 29 is not making any sense.-- Вик Ретлхед ( talk) 12:43, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Is this review reliable enough to be used in the critical reception? Also the "Charts" section can be adapted from the Metallica discography article.-- Вик Ретлхед ( talk) 23:43, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
What improper material is being used? Is it the samples or the cover?-- Вик Ретлхед ( talk) 16:35, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I think an article shouldn't contain hyperbolic descriptions such as "epic" in the sentence "Referring to the epic proportions of the songs". In my opinion this lowers the scientific value of the statement. Anyone care to share thoughts on this? PeterDeFrankrijker ( talk) 09:59, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey Turkey, thanks for participating in the improvement. I know the page is missing a 'Music style' analysis, so thanks for the link above. I really regret that I lost the access to Mick Wall's biography at Scribd, which was the foundation for the background in the current state. I have an idea to try to merge the 'Touring' and 'Live performances' into one section, and reduce or paraphrase some of the extensive Ulrich quotes. I'll be doing an additional research on the lyrics and artwork. Thanks again and good luck with Sad Wings of Destiny. Look forward to see that at GA or FA!-- Retrohead ( talk) 16:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. A short reply:
Seminal is such a loaded and overly-peacocky term. It's such a heavyweight word that it needs a strong source to back it up, and probably best used in an attributed quote. - SchroCat ( talk) 19:59, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Attributing Master of Puppets with the word 'seminal' isn't fallacious. It isn't peacocky. It isn't even indulgent. This album is seminal. What does seminal mean? That it greatly influenced later works. That isn't ostensible; inspiration drawn from this masterpiece is palpable in many other subsequent releases by a multitude of different thrash metal bands. For a band so regularly accredited with being one of the first four pioneering bands of the genre, it seems somewhat quizzical to me that the inclusion of the word 'seminal' in this article is proving to be so schismatic. It isn't a 'verisimilitudinous', or 'magniloquent', it's a word that music aficionados should be very well familiar with. Describing it as 'influential', on the other hand, is a bit more nebulous: What did it influence, how, and to what degree? 'Seminal' answers all the questions that 'influential' can't. It influenced later works, in a positive fashion, and to a great degree. Want a strong source to back it up? How about this: Virtually every 'top 100 heavy metal albums' list includes this album in the top twenty, at least. Many bands often cite the work as one of their longest abiding musical inspirations, as well.
Alterations of wording are enacted for the sake of cogency--to be clear, precise, and concise. 'Seminal' performs this function with much greater aplomb than 'influential'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghost Lourde ( talk • contribs) 22:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to note that it says "Instead of releasing a single or video to promote Master of Puppets..." I assume it must be talking about time in advance of the album's release? Because in fact, there was one single released to promote it (title track) but it was four months after the album's release date. I was wondering if we could make some tweaks to this part to make it more clear. DannyMusicEditor ( talk) 14:21, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
J. Hetfield plays two lead parts on album. Read the booklet before deleting my contribution. http://i99.fastpic.ru/big/2018/0109/e7/9134154eab508744e40a429e1f7693e7.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.241.143.168 ( talk) 08:44, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
This article includes no information on the 2017 Deluxe Edition. The issue is being discussed here. Charles Essie ( talk) 17:34, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
The bpm for battery is for the snare while the bpm for master of puppets and leper messiah is for the hi-hat Whehejtjrhwhaueje ( talk) 09:49, 28 January 2020 (UTC)