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I would like to expand on this article some more. This U.S. Navy rate has seen some significant changes in recent times since 9/11 and thisarticle does not fully explain our role in the military. Our efforts supporting the military services abroad and overseas is very complex and difficult. Any others who can provide more information will be greatly appreciated. I guess my format to use would be the Hospital Corpsman (HM) page. Taotaomona77 13:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Given that the rank's capitalisation throughout the article is "Master-at-Arms", shouldn't the article be moved to "Master-at-Arms" rather than "Master-at-arms"? -- AlexChurchill ( talk) 23:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to open a discussion about possibly separating this article in two, distinguishing the Master-at-Arms of the United Kingdom from that of the United States Navy. Although we do trace our rating's beginning from the Royal Navy, I would like this separated as its own article. I read some of the FAQs, and I have tried to move it but do not have the admin rights, so I'd like this to be open for discussion and possible solicit help. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 10:46, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 14:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I just added a picture with this caption: "Two Master-at-Arms conducting a security patrol near the USNS Comfort". I am not sure what the plural of Master-at-Arms is so feel free to correct this. -- BurtAlert ( talk) 01:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
It's immaterial in this case since it's not a photo of two masters-at-arms. The sailor on the left is a commissioned officer; only petty officers can hold the Master-at-Arms rating. I don't see what the photograph adds to the article. It's just two sailors on a small boat doing or representing nothing that can be seen as specific to the function of a master-at-arms. I've replaced the photo with one more appropriate to the article.-- SEWalk ( talk) 22:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Didn't civilian ships used to have a crew position called the master-at-arms as well? 141.152.254.26 ( talk) 00:53, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Titanic did. What did he do? 72.95.24.248 ( talk) 16:52, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Seriously, "our infant nation's [whatever]"? "[D]irect response to the terrorist acts of the Barbary State's pirates"?
If I touch this as an IP, I'm in a world of hurt, so somebody else has to clean up this mess. -- 91.10.39.157 ( talk) 15:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I would like to recommend separating this into two articles. One for the United Kingdom and another for the United States Navy. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 10:49, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I submitted a request to create a page for Master-at-Arms (United States Navy) and once approved, I will edit this page to make it more balanced. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 00:11, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
I would still like to separate this page, making this a general overview of the Master-at-Arms, and separating the U.S. Navy rating as its own article. I have tried three different times with no success. If anyone would like to help me to get this approved or do it on their own, that would be much appreciated. I believe the U.S. Navy rating deserves an article based on its own merits. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 23:30, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
I am not a Wikipedia expert, nor a grammar major, so please look at the changes for information value and content. Would like some "expert" advise to improve this page and rate. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 10:24, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I propose that we consider splitting off Master-at-arms (United States Navy) (created as a redirect to here). A significant portion of this page focuses on that and it's better to separate it so it can be in its own categories and the like. Any objections? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 03:13, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Its not really that I want to separate the article, per se, because of any significant differences between master-at-arms of other navies and those of the United States of America, but rather because of the comments that the current article does not represent a global view (or not lopsided as is the case now). I have done some research and put some work into the current version, but I am not educated enough nor have the time to edit the various parts of this article. I would like to see it separated on the basis that other articles discussing U.S. Navy military occupational fields do exist on Wikipedia. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 17:45, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
When I was swabbish, any military police were called Jimmy Legs. Melville refers to the Master-at-Arms as this in Billy Budd. [1] So, Melville's 1888 reference in the Royal Navy, and these back at least to 1875 in the US Navy [2], and finally this 1898 memoir of an American admiral describing the nearly identical natures & habits of the 2 navies: https://books.google.com/books?id=2xfpxat8OGUC&pg=PA33&dq=jimmy+legs , I think show that the concept ever has been the same, and I'm surprised, at least, it's not found in this article yet. Sadsaque ( talk) 18:45, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Very true Sadsaque and I hope that people with your knowledge and research can edit the current article to represent a better picture of this nautical occupation that has roots in the Royal Navy and how it has affected, grown, and nurtured other master-at-arms of other navies. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 17:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
References
My understanding is that the title is used in some gang cultures to denote a member responsible for internal discipline. Should this be at least mentioned? Chrismorey ( talk) 19:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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Material from Master-at-arms was split to Master-at-arms (United States Navy) on February 17, 2017 from this version. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists. Please leave this template in place to link the article histories and preserve this attribution. |
I would like to expand on this article some more. This U.S. Navy rate has seen some significant changes in recent times since 9/11 and thisarticle does not fully explain our role in the military. Our efforts supporting the military services abroad and overseas is very complex and difficult. Any others who can provide more information will be greatly appreciated. I guess my format to use would be the Hospital Corpsman (HM) page. Taotaomona77 13:32, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
Given that the rank's capitalisation throughout the article is "Master-at-Arms", shouldn't the article be moved to "Master-at-Arms" rather than "Master-at-arms"? -- AlexChurchill ( talk) 23:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd like to open a discussion about possibly separating this article in two, distinguishing the Master-at-Arms of the United Kingdom from that of the United States Navy. Although we do trace our rating's beginning from the Royal Navy, I would like this separated as its own article. I read some of the FAQs, and I have tried to move it but do not have the admin rights, so I'd like this to be open for discussion and possible solicit help. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 10:46, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 14:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I just added a picture with this caption: "Two Master-at-Arms conducting a security patrol near the USNS Comfort". I am not sure what the plural of Master-at-Arms is so feel free to correct this. -- BurtAlert ( talk) 01:30, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
It's immaterial in this case since it's not a photo of two masters-at-arms. The sailor on the left is a commissioned officer; only petty officers can hold the Master-at-Arms rating. I don't see what the photograph adds to the article. It's just two sailors on a small boat doing or representing nothing that can be seen as specific to the function of a master-at-arms. I've replaced the photo with one more appropriate to the article.-- SEWalk ( talk) 22:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Didn't civilian ships used to have a crew position called the master-at-arms as well? 141.152.254.26 ( talk) 00:53, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Titanic did. What did he do? 72.95.24.248 ( talk) 16:52, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Seriously, "our infant nation's [whatever]"? "[D]irect response to the terrorist acts of the Barbary State's pirates"?
If I touch this as an IP, I'm in a world of hurt, so somebody else has to clean up this mess. -- 91.10.39.157 ( talk) 15:51, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
I would like to recommend separating this into two articles. One for the United Kingdom and another for the United States Navy. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 10:49, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I submitted a request to create a page for Master-at-Arms (United States Navy) and once approved, I will edit this page to make it more balanced. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 00:11, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
I would still like to separate this page, making this a general overview of the Master-at-Arms, and separating the U.S. Navy rating as its own article. I have tried three different times with no success. If anyone would like to help me to get this approved or do it on their own, that would be much appreciated. I believe the U.S. Navy rating deserves an article based on its own merits. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 23:30, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
I am not a Wikipedia expert, nor a grammar major, so please look at the changes for information value and content. Would like some "expert" advise to improve this page and rate. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 10:24, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I propose that we consider splitting off Master-at-arms (United States Navy) (created as a redirect to here). A significant portion of this page focuses on that and it's better to separate it so it can be in its own categories and the like. Any objections? -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 03:13, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Its not really that I want to separate the article, per se, because of any significant differences between master-at-arms of other navies and those of the United States of America, but rather because of the comments that the current article does not represent a global view (or not lopsided as is the case now). I have done some research and put some work into the current version, but I am not educated enough nor have the time to edit the various parts of this article. I would like to see it separated on the basis that other articles discussing U.S. Navy military occupational fields do exist on Wikipedia. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 17:45, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
When I was swabbish, any military police were called Jimmy Legs. Melville refers to the Master-at-Arms as this in Billy Budd. [1] So, Melville's 1888 reference in the Royal Navy, and these back at least to 1875 in the US Navy [2], and finally this 1898 memoir of an American admiral describing the nearly identical natures & habits of the 2 navies: https://books.google.com/books?id=2xfpxat8OGUC&pg=PA33&dq=jimmy+legs , I think show that the concept ever has been the same, and I'm surprised, at least, it's not found in this article yet. Sadsaque ( talk) 18:45, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
Very true Sadsaque and I hope that people with your knowledge and research can edit the current article to represent a better picture of this nautical occupation that has roots in the Royal Navy and how it has affected, grown, and nurtured other master-at-arms of other navies. Taotaomona1977 ( talk) 17:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
References
My understanding is that the title is used in some gang cultures to denote a member responsible for internal discipline. Should this be at least mentioned? Chrismorey ( talk) 19:48, 5 March 2024 (UTC)