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I have a personal record of a species, M. carinatus or M. clarinatus. Can anyone else verify this? Ninjatacoshell 22:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
This article currently states Massospondylus was 6.1 meters long. Seebacher (2001) gives a total length of 4 m and uses this for a weight of 136 kg (300 lbs). Lambert (1993) gives a length of 5 m. Obviously, the true length is going to affect the weight. I can't use the Seebacher weight without using his length. Does anyone have a different weight estimate based on a different length, or another source on overall length? Firsfron of Ronchester 09:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
"The family name Massospondylidae was once erected for the genus" Not familiar with this use of "erect". Quick search in dictionary and in Taxonomy didn't find it. Is this a jargon use in this field, or someone's vandalism? Unimaginative Username 11:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Please check out WP:JARGON :) imho, if it isn't in the dictionary, it's jargon :) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 03:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
It bore a sharp thumb claw on each of its forefeet, used in defense or feeding. Which was used in defense or feeding, the claw or the (whole) foot? Advise, and I'll revise. Unimaginative Username 12:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Recent studies indicate Massospondylus grew steadily,... Each individual grows steadily throughout its own life? The average physical size of the species increased through the years? The population grew steadily? Unimaginative Username 12:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Massospondylus was a mid-sized prosauropod, at around 4 meters (13 ft) ... possibly reaching a length of 6 meters (20 ft). Is there any reason why this should not be "... at around 4-6 meters etc."? Also, if metric is converted in this section, shouldn't it be converted in the intro also? Unimaginative Username 12:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Proposed revision:
"Massospondylus was a mid-sized prosauropod, at around 4 meters (13 ft) in length and weighing around 135 kilograms (300 lb),[1] although a few sources have estimated its length at up to 6 meters (20 ft)."
To support this, it might be best to cite multiple sources for the 4 m length. Comments? Incidentally, do those 6 m estimates come with a corresponding weight estimate? Just curious.
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I think that means we have a consensus on the proposed revision. Would one of you kindly make the edit, as you know which source references to put with which statement? I don't want to mess those up. I did my part by coming up with the proposed wording :) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 03:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
There are ? before each of the synonyms. In my Firefox browser, these may indicate a character that it doesn't recognize. What would that be? Or it could indicate doubt about whether these guys are in fact synonyms. The article appears to indicate that these names are of "little scientific value" so the logical question is whether they should be in an infobox at all. If of little value, eliminate; if considered by some scientists but not others, perhaps the text explanation suffices. It seems the infobox should be for pertinent *facts*, no? Unimaginative Username 12:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
...including the small theropod Megapnosaurus rhodesiensis; a species of Melanorosaurus (M. thabanensis)... In punctuating these clauses, I made the assumption that M. rhodesienses is not a species of Melanosaurus; hence, the semi-colon. If M rhod. is in fact a speicies of the following name, then the semi-colon gets reverted to the more-lightly-separating comma. Advise. Unimaginative Username 12:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
"Massospondylus grew at a maximum rate of 34.6 kg year–1" I can put in the "per" ("34.6 kg per year"), but what is the -1 superscript? Should that be "source #1" (in a reference box) ? Unimaginative Username ( talk) 04:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
"A pair of antorbital fenestrae were between the eyes and the nose, which were smaller than those seen in Plateosaurus" = eyes and nose are smaller than P's. If the fenestrae were smaller, would change to "A pair of antorbital fenestrae were between the eyes and the nose, and were smaller than those seen in Plateosaurus". Confirm. Unimaginative Username ( talk) 08:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
...except for the single question above, which one of the editors here can handle with the criteria supplied . Moved to "ready for proofread" section at the Requests page. Since there are far too few active members of the LoCE to handle the demand for copy-edits, proofreads unfortunately may not happen for some time, if at all. I would proceed with your GA review -- it looks like a GA to me. Unimaginative Username ( talk) 09:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow. This is a very pretty article. I can only offer a few suggestions:
Other than that, it's a really well-written article that I really enjoyed reading. bibliomaniac 1 5 05:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Have you guys seen this? Would be cool for external links, at least! [1] Dinoguy2 ( talk) 01:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
"The skull bore two pairs of temporal fenestrae, two almost-circular eye sockets, and large elliptical nares. The orbit was proportionally larger in Massospondylus than in related genera such as Plateosaurus. A pair of antorbital fenestrae, smaller than those seen in Plateosaurus, were between the eyes and the nose. Behind the eyes was a fourth pair of holes called the lateral temporal fenestrae." However, the (nice, new) diagram caption says *five* pairs of fenestrae, not four, and this side view shows only one temporal fenestra, the lateral, whereas "two pairs of temporal fenestrae" leads one to expect another temporal fenestra in this side view. Apparently, the mandibular fenestra is the fifth, but that doesn't match with "two pairs of temporal fenestrae", unless the mandibular are regarded as one of the temporal, in which case, it's not apparent to the reader. ("Mandibular temporal fenestra"?) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 05:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
<out> No doubt :) Hate to put anyone to extra work, but since the article specifically refers to six pairs, readers (like this one) might look at the diagram and see something missing. A second view, from above, would really clear this up beyond doubt, and match the text. Also, the text should mention the mandibular fenestrae, since it mentions all of the others. Unimaginative Username ( talk) 12:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
"The 6-meter-(18 ft-)long[39] carnivorous theropod Dracovenator..." Six meters rounds to twenty feet, as is done previously in the article. Is there a reason for this math -- was the specimen's length first described in feet, as 18 feet? That seems unusual in the world of science. (And wasn't "Dracovenator" a movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger? If not, it should be :) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 06:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
"Prosauropods are unusual in their lack of an extensive system of pneumatic foramina, the only major group of saurischians without the widespread foramina." I was about to cut a lot of this as being redundant, but thought I'd better make sure I'm not missing something.
Is the first clause saying anything that the second clause doesn't? Being the "only" one automatically makes it "unusual". Unless there is some finer distinction, I would revise to:
"Prosauropods are the only major group of saurischians without an extensive system of pneumatic foramina." (clearly, unusual). Would this proposed revision be losing anything?
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05:26, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
"The maximum width of the crown was wider than the root"
"width ... was wider" seems redundant. Changing to "The maximum width of the crown was greater than that of the root." If this is not scientifically accurate, please let me know.
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03:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
The article was copyedited as a GAC. After it passed GA, the editors nominated it for FA, received feedback, made some changes, and asked me to review it again. Have done so, including making some changes prompted by the FA reviewers. Hence the second c/e signature in the box. Unimaginative Username ( talk) 04:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
At the risk of being repetitious, I don't have adequate knowledge of either the subject or the project to know the accuracy of the Discovery/species/dubious division, but this latest division definitely appears sensible to the un-knowledgeable. Also has the positive side effect of breaking up a huge chunk of info-dense material into more reader-friendly bites. ("byte-sized" chunks?) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 05:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Could someone make one for this article? It's the only featured dino without one... FunkMonk ( talk) 05:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Dear Editors, I am somewhat a new commer and I have a question., The lead of the article does not cite any references., is it not strictly necessary to add citation, but anyway I see that its a featured article and its good news! Bluptr ( talk) 07:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
PB666 yap 13:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I've updated the scale image so the animal looks balanced, but for some reason the thumbnail doesn't show it yet. See the updated version here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Massospondylus_scale.png FunkMonk ( talk) 14:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Vasconcelos and Yates (2004) indicated that Gryponyx is distinct from Massospondylus on the basis of post cranial characters. They found Gryponyx to be a basal massospondylid, and codings for Gryponyx were published in Yates et al (2010). A redescription of has yet to be published, but there is a decent chance it is a valid genus.
Vasconcelos and Yates, 2004. Sauropodomorph biodiversity of the upper Elliot Formation (Lower Jurassic) of Southern Africa. Geoscience Africa 2004, Abstract volume, 670.
Yates, Bonnan, Neveling, Chinsamy and Blackbeard, 2010. A new transitional sauropodomorph dinosaur from the Early Jurassic of South Africa and the evolution of sauropod feeding and quadrupedalism. Proceedings of the Royal Society B. 277(1682), 787-794. 68.4.61.237 ( talk) 14:50, 1 May 2011 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
Owen (1854) designated only the seven vertebrate (Hunterian Museum Nos. 331-337) as syntypes of Massospondylus carinatus. Other specimens listed by Owen as referrable to Massospondylus were never considered part of the syntype series, so type specimen is Hunterian Museum Nos. 331-337. The syntypes of Leptospondylus are Hunterian Museum Nos. 347 and 348, while the syntypes of Pachyspondylus are Hunterian Museum Nos. 338-346 (see Owen, 1854). 72.194.120.176 ( talk) 03:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
Yates et. al. (2011) designated BP/1/4934 as the neotype of Massospondylus carinatus because the original syntype vertebrae are both undiagnostic and were destroyed in WW2. As pointed out by Yates et. al., the diagnostic characters for Massospondylus listed by Sues et. al. (2004) are found only in the skull and all Upper Elliot taxa synonymized with Massospondylus by Cooper (1981) (except Aristosaurus) are based only on postcranial remains and lack the diagnostic characters of Massospondylus. Thanks to the description of Aardonyx, Arcusaurus, Ignavusaurus, and 'Melanorosaurus' thabanensis, many of which are distantly related to Massospondylus (Gauffre 1993; Yates et. al. 2009, 2011; Knoll 2010), it is best to create separate pages for Aristosaurus, Dromicosaurus, Aetonyx, and Hortalotarsus until a revision of specimens assigned to Massospondylus carinatus is published.
Yates, A. M. and Barrett, P. M. 2011 (for 2010). Massospondylus carinatus Owen 1854 (Dinosauria, Sauropodomorpha): proposed conservation of usage by designation of a neotype. Palaeontologia Africana 45: 7-10.
Yates, A. M.; Bonnan, M. F.; Neveling, J.; Chinsamy, A.; Blackbeard, M. G. (2009). "A new transitional sauropodomorph dinosaur from the Early Jurassic of South Africa and the evolution of sauropod feeding and quadrupedalism". Proceedings of the Royal Society B 277 (1682): 787–794. doi:10.1098/rspb.2009.1440. PMC 2842739. PMID 19906674
F.-X. Gauffre, 1993, "The most recent Melanorosauridae (Saurischia, Prosauropoda), Lower Jurassic of Lesotho, with remarks on the prosauropod phylogeny", Neues Jahrbuch für Geologie und Paläontologie Monatshefte 1993(11): 648-654
Yates, Adam M.; Matthew F. Bonnan and Johann Neveling (2011). "A new basal sauropodomorph dinosaur from the Early Jurassic of South Africa". Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 31 (3): 610–625. doi:10.1080/02724634.2011.560626.
Knoll, Fabien (2010). "A primitive sauropodomorph from the upper Elliot Formation of Lesotho". Geological Magazine 147 (6): 814–829. doi:10.1017/S001675681000018X. 68.4.61.168 ( talk) 22:16, 24 February 2012 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
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Currently, the taxobox image is a life restoration. It is the only dinosaur-related FA which does this, with every other one using a fossil, skeletal mount, or skeletal diagram instead, because they are less speculative. The only mount in Commons is the outdated NHM one, but the restored skeleton from the Iziko Museum could be used instead. That said, it doesn't really help give an image of the animal at a glance, and could give a false first impression, with the heavily curved neck and splayed out limbs. So, what are thoughts on using it rather than the current restoration? Lusotitan 22:48, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Since the postcranial description of the neotype is published, I am happy to inform everyone it is CC-BY 4.0 and we can use its images of the neotype and postcranial bones in the article. I'm not very good at extracting images from PDFs, never got the hang of it, so if someone else is available, we should probably take this chance and find what's usable and what isn't. The article is available here IJReid {{ T - C - D - R}} 22:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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I have a personal record of a species, M. carinatus or M. clarinatus. Can anyone else verify this? Ninjatacoshell 22:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
This article currently states Massospondylus was 6.1 meters long. Seebacher (2001) gives a total length of 4 m and uses this for a weight of 136 kg (300 lbs). Lambert (1993) gives a length of 5 m. Obviously, the true length is going to affect the weight. I can't use the Seebacher weight without using his length. Does anyone have a different weight estimate based on a different length, or another source on overall length? Firsfron of Ronchester 09:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
"The family name Massospondylidae was once erected for the genus" Not familiar with this use of "erect". Quick search in dictionary and in Taxonomy didn't find it. Is this a jargon use in this field, or someone's vandalism? Unimaginative Username 11:33, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Please check out WP:JARGON :) imho, if it isn't in the dictionary, it's jargon :) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 03:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
It bore a sharp thumb claw on each of its forefeet, used in defense or feeding. Which was used in defense or feeding, the claw or the (whole) foot? Advise, and I'll revise. Unimaginative Username 12:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Recent studies indicate Massospondylus grew steadily,... Each individual grows steadily throughout its own life? The average physical size of the species increased through the years? The population grew steadily? Unimaginative Username 12:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Massospondylus was a mid-sized prosauropod, at around 4 meters (13 ft) ... possibly reaching a length of 6 meters (20 ft). Is there any reason why this should not be "... at around 4-6 meters etc."? Also, if metric is converted in this section, shouldn't it be converted in the intro also? Unimaginative Username 12:09, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Proposed revision:
"Massospondylus was a mid-sized prosauropod, at around 4 meters (13 ft) in length and weighing around 135 kilograms (300 lb),[1] although a few sources have estimated its length at up to 6 meters (20 ft)."
To support this, it might be best to cite multiple sources for the 4 m length. Comments? Incidentally, do those 6 m estimates come with a corresponding weight estimate? Just curious.
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I think that means we have a consensus on the proposed revision. Would one of you kindly make the edit, as you know which source references to put with which statement? I don't want to mess those up. I did my part by coming up with the proposed wording :) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 03:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
There are ? before each of the synonyms. In my Firefox browser, these may indicate a character that it doesn't recognize. What would that be? Or it could indicate doubt about whether these guys are in fact synonyms. The article appears to indicate that these names are of "little scientific value" so the logical question is whether they should be in an infobox at all. If of little value, eliminate; if considered by some scientists but not others, perhaps the text explanation suffices. It seems the infobox should be for pertinent *facts*, no? Unimaginative Username 12:19, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
...including the small theropod Megapnosaurus rhodesiensis; a species of Melanorosaurus (M. thabanensis)... In punctuating these clauses, I made the assumption that M. rhodesienses is not a species of Melanosaurus; hence, the semi-colon. If M rhod. is in fact a speicies of the following name, then the semi-colon gets reverted to the more-lightly-separating comma. Advise. Unimaginative Username 12:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
"Massospondylus grew at a maximum rate of 34.6 kg year–1" I can put in the "per" ("34.6 kg per year"), but what is the -1 superscript? Should that be "source #1" (in a reference box) ? Unimaginative Username ( talk) 04:53, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
"A pair of antorbital fenestrae were between the eyes and the nose, which were smaller than those seen in Plateosaurus" = eyes and nose are smaller than P's. If the fenestrae were smaller, would change to "A pair of antorbital fenestrae were between the eyes and the nose, and were smaller than those seen in Plateosaurus". Confirm. Unimaginative Username ( talk) 08:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
...except for the single question above, which one of the editors here can handle with the criteria supplied . Moved to "ready for proofread" section at the Requests page. Since there are far too few active members of the LoCE to handle the demand for copy-edits, proofreads unfortunately may not happen for some time, if at all. I would proceed with your GA review -- it looks like a GA to me. Unimaginative Username ( talk) 09:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow. This is a very pretty article. I can only offer a few suggestions:
Other than that, it's a really well-written article that I really enjoyed reading. bibliomaniac 1 5 05:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Have you guys seen this? Would be cool for external links, at least! [1] Dinoguy2 ( talk) 01:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
"The skull bore two pairs of temporal fenestrae, two almost-circular eye sockets, and large elliptical nares. The orbit was proportionally larger in Massospondylus than in related genera such as Plateosaurus. A pair of antorbital fenestrae, smaller than those seen in Plateosaurus, were between the eyes and the nose. Behind the eyes was a fourth pair of holes called the lateral temporal fenestrae." However, the (nice, new) diagram caption says *five* pairs of fenestrae, not four, and this side view shows only one temporal fenestra, the lateral, whereas "two pairs of temporal fenestrae" leads one to expect another temporal fenestra in this side view. Apparently, the mandibular fenestra is the fifth, but that doesn't match with "two pairs of temporal fenestrae", unless the mandibular are regarded as one of the temporal, in which case, it's not apparent to the reader. ("Mandibular temporal fenestra"?) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 05:27, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
<out> No doubt :) Hate to put anyone to extra work, but since the article specifically refers to six pairs, readers (like this one) might look at the diagram and see something missing. A second view, from above, would really clear this up beyond doubt, and match the text. Also, the text should mention the mandibular fenestrae, since it mentions all of the others. Unimaginative Username ( talk) 12:44, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
"The 6-meter-(18 ft-)long[39] carnivorous theropod Dracovenator..." Six meters rounds to twenty feet, as is done previously in the article. Is there a reason for this math -- was the specimen's length first described in feet, as 18 feet? That seems unusual in the world of science. (And wasn't "Dracovenator" a movie starring Arnold Schwarzenegger? If not, it should be :) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 06:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
"Prosauropods are unusual in their lack of an extensive system of pneumatic foramina, the only major group of saurischians without the widespread foramina." I was about to cut a lot of this as being redundant, but thought I'd better make sure I'm not missing something.
Is the first clause saying anything that the second clause doesn't? Being the "only" one automatically makes it "unusual". Unless there is some finer distinction, I would revise to:
"Prosauropods are the only major group of saurischians without an extensive system of pneumatic foramina." (clearly, unusual). Would this proposed revision be losing anything?
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"The maximum width of the crown was wider than the root"
"width ... was wider" seems redundant. Changing to "The maximum width of the crown was greater than that of the root." If this is not scientifically accurate, please let me know.
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03:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
The article was copyedited as a GAC. After it passed GA, the editors nominated it for FA, received feedback, made some changes, and asked me to review it again. Have done so, including making some changes prompted by the FA reviewers. Hence the second c/e signature in the box. Unimaginative Username ( talk) 04:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
At the risk of being repetitious, I don't have adequate knowledge of either the subject or the project to know the accuracy of the Discovery/species/dubious division, but this latest division definitely appears sensible to the un-knowledgeable. Also has the positive side effect of breaking up a huge chunk of info-dense material into more reader-friendly bites. ("byte-sized" chunks?) Unimaginative Username ( talk) 05:23, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Could someone make one for this article? It's the only featured dino without one... FunkMonk ( talk) 05:09, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Dear Editors, I am somewhat a new commer and I have a question., The lead of the article does not cite any references., is it not strictly necessary to add citation, but anyway I see that its a featured article and its good news! Bluptr ( talk) 07:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
PB666 yap 13:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I've updated the scale image so the animal looks balanced, but for some reason the thumbnail doesn't show it yet. See the updated version here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Massospondylus_scale.png FunkMonk ( talk) 14:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Vasconcelos and Yates (2004) indicated that Gryponyx is distinct from Massospondylus on the basis of post cranial characters. They found Gryponyx to be a basal massospondylid, and codings for Gryponyx were published in Yates et al (2010). A redescription of has yet to be published, but there is a decent chance it is a valid genus.
Vasconcelos and Yates, 2004. Sauropodomorph biodiversity of the upper Elliot Formation (Lower Jurassic) of Southern Africa. Geoscience Africa 2004, Abstract volume, 670.
Yates, Bonnan, Neveling, Chinsamy and Blackbeard, 2010. A new transitional sauropodomorph dinosaur from the Early Jurassic of South Africa and the evolution of sauropod feeding and quadrupedalism. Proceedings of the Royal Society B. 277(1682), 787-794. 68.4.61.237 ( talk) 14:50, 1 May 2011 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
Owen (1854) designated only the seven vertebrate (Hunterian Museum Nos. 331-337) as syntypes of Massospondylus carinatus. Other specimens listed by Owen as referrable to Massospondylus were never considered part of the syntype series, so type specimen is Hunterian Museum Nos. 331-337. The syntypes of Leptospondylus are Hunterian Museum Nos. 347 and 348, while the syntypes of Pachyspondylus are Hunterian Museum Nos. 338-346 (see Owen, 1854). 72.194.120.176 ( talk) 03:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)Vahe Demirjian
Yates et. al. (2011) designated BP/1/4934 as the neotype of Massospondylus carinatus because the original syntype vertebrae are both undiagnostic and were destroyed in WW2. As pointed out by Yates et. al., the diagnostic characters for Massospondylus listed by Sues et. al. (2004) are found only in the skull and all Upper Elliot taxa synonymized with Massospondylus by Cooper (1981) (except Aristosaurus) are based only on postcranial remains and lack the diagnostic characters of Massospondylus. Thanks to the description of Aardonyx, Arcusaurus, Ignavusaurus, and 'Melanorosaurus' thabanensis, many of which are distantly related to Massospondylus (Gauffre 1993; Yates et. al. 2009, 2011; Knoll 2010), it is best to create separate pages for Aristosaurus, Dromicosaurus, Aetonyx, and Hortalotarsus until a revision of specimens assigned to Massospondylus carinatus is published.
Yates, A. M. and Barrett, P. M. 2011 (for 2010). Massospondylus carinatus Owen 1854 (Dinosauria, Sauropodomorpha): proposed conservation of usage by designation of a neotype. Palaeontologia Africana 45: 7-10.
Yates, A. M.; Bonnan, M. F.; Neveling, J.; Chinsamy, A.; Blackbeard, M. G. (2009). "A new transitional sauropodomorph dinosaur from the Early Jurassic of South Africa and the evolution of sauropod feeding and quadrupedalism". Proceedings of the Royal Society B 277 (1682): 787–794. doi:10.1098/rspb.2009.1440. PMC 2842739. PMID 19906674
F.-X. Gauffre, 1993, "The most recent Melanorosauridae (Saurischia, Prosauropoda), Lower Jurassic of Lesotho, with remarks on the prosauropod phylogeny", Neues Jahrbuch für Geologie und Paläontologie Monatshefte 1993(11): 648-654
Yates, Adam M.; Matthew F. Bonnan and Johann Neveling (2011). "A new basal sauropodomorph dinosaur from the Early Jurassic of South Africa". Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 31 (3): 610–625. doi:10.1080/02724634.2011.560626.
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Currently, the taxobox image is a life restoration. It is the only dinosaur-related FA which does this, with every other one using a fossil, skeletal mount, or skeletal diagram instead, because they are less speculative. The only mount in Commons is the outdated NHM one, but the restored skeleton from the Iziko Museum could be used instead. That said, it doesn't really help give an image of the animal at a glance, and could give a false first impression, with the heavily curved neck and splayed out limbs. So, what are thoughts on using it rather than the current restoration? Lusotitan 22:48, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
Since the postcranial description of the neotype is published, I am happy to inform everyone it is CC-BY 4.0 and we can use its images of the neotype and postcranial bones in the article. I'm not very good at extracting images from PDFs, never got the hang of it, so if someone else is available, we should probably take this chance and find what's usable and what isn't. The article is available here IJReid {{ T - C - D - R}} 22:45, 30 April 2019 (UTC)