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can we be sure, that there really were "soviet officers", that ate+drank with a foreigner, who had a governmental (nazi) approbation (pharmacist)? IIRC that story is just a myth, that came up due to a certain mental condition... "even" radio broadcasts can be wrong... i dont c a reliable/reputable source for that weird story... -- Homer Landskirty ( talk) 13:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
The statement related to the pharmacist is East German propaganda, which officially surfaced in a 1975 report compiled by the SED party. Since the pharmacist and his wife had already committed suicide when Soviet troops reached their pharmacy, it is highly unlikely that they should have thrown a party, as other sources would like to claim or have poisoned soldiers. Please remove the reference to the pharmacist. - source Buske: page 16 and 18. I do agree that this statement, next to the "Werwolf in Lusientor" claim was what I was taught at school back in East Germany. My family, friends, pastors taught me different. LordFarrow ( talk) 18:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)LordFarrow
Hm, my understanding of Lord Farrow's comment is that Buske on pp. 16, 18 says it's a legend? So far, two competing views are mentioned in the article: that it really happened, referenced to the NDR report, and that it is a legend, referenced to the Focus article. Lord Farrow, could you provide the respective Buske statements here? They certainly carry a higher weight than the other reports and should be included. I don't have access to the source atm. Skäpperöd ( talk) 06:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
http://www.ndr.de/land_leute/norddeutsche_geschichte/erinnerungen/vor_der_teilung/ndr1250.html Es gab Fanatiker, die auf vorbeiziehende Russen schossen, die sich das auch vorgenommen hatten
If I am correct this sentence speaks that there were fanatics in the city that shot at passing by Russian soldiers? -- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 16:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to stir around in this, read the Talk page from bottom to top, understand what it says. As a Demminer, I agree with some of it, "some", since I am probably biased. The statement "After the war, discussion of the mass suicide was forbidden" is incorrect. I was allowed to talk about the mass suicide during 12 years of school, and at any time. I believe the statement should be "After the war, discussion of the mass suicide was actively discouraged." - If you spoke about the events of April 30 - May 04,1945 openly, you knew what was going to happen, so you didn't. That didn't mean you were forbidden. Mr Quadt, the town historian, should agree to this. His family, like mine, was affected by attempted suicide(s). Could "forbidden" please be lessened into "actively discouraged" or "discouraged" ? If this is considered to be hair-splitting, please excuse the intrusion. LordFarrow ( talk) 18:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)LordFarrow
Just to add this to the discussion; with the exception of the translations of the references, I have proof read the entire article for grammar mistakes and for style improvements (I am a qualified English teacher, and have been living in a native English country since 1996). I have corrected the article where necessary. I had 2 more native English speakers cross check my changes, and comment on the style. The translations in the references need some improvement, I believe, e.g. you never put a comma before "that". The teacher Moldenhauer "passed away", yes, but violently, so "passed away" shouldn't be used in that context. The sentence order, too, needs to be checked. Can this be presented to a reviewer at this stage, or should work be done on the translations - to improve those ? LordFarrow ( talk) 12:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC) LordFarrow
The entire article was thoroughly checked for all criteria listed in the requirements for B-Class article by more than one impartial native speaker of English. Please assess “Referencing and citation”, “Coverage and accuracy”, “Structure”, “Grammar and style”, “Supporting materials” in order for this article to be lifted to B-Class. LordFarrow ( talk) 14:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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can we be sure, that there really were "soviet officers", that ate+drank with a foreigner, who had a governmental (nazi) approbation (pharmacist)? IIRC that story is just a myth, that came up due to a certain mental condition... "even" radio broadcasts can be wrong... i dont c a reliable/reputable source for that weird story... -- Homer Landskirty ( talk) 13:35, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
The statement related to the pharmacist is East German propaganda, which officially surfaced in a 1975 report compiled by the SED party. Since the pharmacist and his wife had already committed suicide when Soviet troops reached their pharmacy, it is highly unlikely that they should have thrown a party, as other sources would like to claim or have poisoned soldiers. Please remove the reference to the pharmacist. - source Buske: page 16 and 18. I do agree that this statement, next to the "Werwolf in Lusientor" claim was what I was taught at school back in East Germany. My family, friends, pastors taught me different. LordFarrow ( talk) 18:39, 15 January 2011 (UTC)LordFarrow
Hm, my understanding of Lord Farrow's comment is that Buske on pp. 16, 18 says it's a legend? So far, two competing views are mentioned in the article: that it really happened, referenced to the NDR report, and that it is a legend, referenced to the Focus article. Lord Farrow, could you provide the respective Buske statements here? They certainly carry a higher weight than the other reports and should be included. I don't have access to the source atm. Skäpperöd ( talk) 06:39, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
http://www.ndr.de/land_leute/norddeutsche_geschichte/erinnerungen/vor_der_teilung/ndr1250.html Es gab Fanatiker, die auf vorbeiziehende Russen schossen, die sich das auch vorgenommen hatten
If I am correct this sentence speaks that there were fanatics in the city that shot at passing by Russian soldiers? -- MyMoloboaccount ( talk) 16:40, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to stir around in this, read the Talk page from bottom to top, understand what it says. As a Demminer, I agree with some of it, "some", since I am probably biased. The statement "After the war, discussion of the mass suicide was forbidden" is incorrect. I was allowed to talk about the mass suicide during 12 years of school, and at any time. I believe the statement should be "After the war, discussion of the mass suicide was actively discouraged." - If you spoke about the events of April 30 - May 04,1945 openly, you knew what was going to happen, so you didn't. That didn't mean you were forbidden. Mr Quadt, the town historian, should agree to this. His family, like mine, was affected by attempted suicide(s). Could "forbidden" please be lessened into "actively discouraged" or "discouraged" ? If this is considered to be hair-splitting, please excuse the intrusion. LordFarrow ( talk) 18:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)LordFarrow
Just to add this to the discussion; with the exception of the translations of the references, I have proof read the entire article for grammar mistakes and for style improvements (I am a qualified English teacher, and have been living in a native English country since 1996). I have corrected the article where necessary. I had 2 more native English speakers cross check my changes, and comment on the style. The translations in the references need some improvement, I believe, e.g. you never put a comma before "that". The teacher Moldenhauer "passed away", yes, but violently, so "passed away" shouldn't be used in that context. The sentence order, too, needs to be checked. Can this be presented to a reviewer at this stage, or should work be done on the translations - to improve those ? LordFarrow ( talk) 12:57, 21 January 2011 (UTC) LordFarrow
The entire article was thoroughly checked for all criteria listed in the requirements for B-Class article by more than one impartial native speaker of English. Please assess “Referencing and citation”, “Coverage and accuracy”, “Structure”, “Grammar and style”, “Supporting materials” in order for this article to be lifted to B-Class. LordFarrow ( talk) 14:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)