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Seems notable-- she is a Nebula Award winner. A quick google search shows 82,000 hits. 76.241.135.35 ( talk) 00:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'm clearly biased, but It looks to me as if the problem is lack of citations, not notability per se. From Wikipedia:Notability (people), notability depends only on citations ("has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."). In particular, the first item in the list of what qualifies as notable is "1. The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times.". Given that, as pointed out above, this seems to be satisfied; is there any further reason to question notability? Geoffrey.landis ( talk) 15:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
In good faith, I've removed the notability tag at this point, to allow focus on the more concerning issues that have developed in this discussion.
A) the COI issues presented by the husband of the subject of this bio having created the bio in the first place, and having been the primary contributor to it, and having argued vociferously on this page in behalf of her notability.
B) The possible sockpuppetry/meat issues presented here, by the husband tag-teaming in the above discussion with an IP from the same location he is in, with his failure to respond directly to my question (posed four times) as to whether he had edited under another name or as an IP, and by the appearance of yet a third editor with only 100 plus edits to his name, to tag-team as well -- despite the fact that he had never edited either of the two pages on which he argued for the husband.
I'm open to suggestions as to how best to address the COI/sock/meat concerns together, since they are all bundled together.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 08:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm starting work on cleaning up this article. If any editors with a possible conflict of interest would like to leave any helpful refs or snippets in this section that would be great. If anyone else wants to chip in and help that would also be greatly appreciated. Punkrocker1991 ( talk) 11:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
You, Punkrocker, know that as someone with an inherent conflict of interest, it is too easy to make a biography on a living person too “good-gosh-golly”, which can make articles quickly run afoul with WP:SPAM. I suggest you take a good look at at least a half dozen other biographies to get a feel for the tone and scope expected. Be sure that matters of fact are properly cited to a reliable source. If you are tempted to add something for which you can not find a citation, then that is an indicator that the bit you are trying to add is not sufficiently notable and should be excluded.
I’m removing the spam tag now. I’ll leave it to someone else to add it in sometime in the future (maybe just a few days) if shortcomings exist.
The “1991” in your screen name suggests baby-smooth skin on your face. So I also suggest you deliberate at least six hours before posting a response on a discussion page when dealing with other editors who A) are experienced wikipedians, and B) have been around the block a few times in life. Playing coy when directly asked by another editor about whether you operate multiple accounts or have a meatpuppet does not impress, nor does it engender support from the wikipedian community, which (though this bit of news might surprise you), you need. And for whatever it’s worth, everything can be double-checked on Wikipedia as to who is who; you have no idea the tools and techniques. And without passing judgement on whether or not you are operating multiple accounts or have a meatpuppet, if you are, that might confer a short-term advantage but is seldom a wise, long-term strategy. Greg L ( talk) 18:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
P.S. I removed the COI tag for the moment. What I see of the article in its current state indicates that such a tag is unnecessary. Certainly, if a major contributor is married to the subject of the article, that can lead to articles that read like a glossy, four-color brochure. Due in no small part to recent copyediting and added citations, I see no need to alert the wikipedian community to the existence of a COI issue since the article is currently in no dire need of emergency repairs. 03:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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Seems notable-- she is a Nebula Award winner. A quick google search shows 82,000 hits. 76.241.135.35 ( talk) 00:28, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, I'm clearly biased, but It looks to me as if the problem is lack of citations, not notability per se. From Wikipedia:Notability (people), notability depends only on citations ("has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject."). In particular, the first item in the list of what qualifies as notable is "1. The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times.". Given that, as pointed out above, this seems to be satisfied; is there any further reason to question notability? Geoffrey.landis ( talk) 15:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
In good faith, I've removed the notability tag at this point, to allow focus on the more concerning issues that have developed in this discussion.
A) the COI issues presented by the husband of the subject of this bio having created the bio in the first place, and having been the primary contributor to it, and having argued vociferously on this page in behalf of her notability.
B) The possible sockpuppetry/meat issues presented here, by the husband tag-teaming in the above discussion with an IP from the same location he is in, with his failure to respond directly to my question (posed four times) as to whether he had edited under another name or as an IP, and by the appearance of yet a third editor with only 100 plus edits to his name, to tag-team as well -- despite the fact that he had never edited either of the two pages on which he argued for the husband.
I'm open to suggestions as to how best to address the COI/sock/meat concerns together, since they are all bundled together.-- Epeefleche ( talk) 08:18, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm starting work on cleaning up this article. If any editors with a possible conflict of interest would like to leave any helpful refs or snippets in this section that would be great. If anyone else wants to chip in and help that would also be greatly appreciated. Punkrocker1991 ( talk) 11:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
You, Punkrocker, know that as someone with an inherent conflict of interest, it is too easy to make a biography on a living person too “good-gosh-golly”, which can make articles quickly run afoul with WP:SPAM. I suggest you take a good look at at least a half dozen other biographies to get a feel for the tone and scope expected. Be sure that matters of fact are properly cited to a reliable source. If you are tempted to add something for which you can not find a citation, then that is an indicator that the bit you are trying to add is not sufficiently notable and should be excluded.
I’m removing the spam tag now. I’ll leave it to someone else to add it in sometime in the future (maybe just a few days) if shortcomings exist.
The “1991” in your screen name suggests baby-smooth skin on your face. So I also suggest you deliberate at least six hours before posting a response on a discussion page when dealing with other editors who A) are experienced wikipedians, and B) have been around the block a few times in life. Playing coy when directly asked by another editor about whether you operate multiple accounts or have a meatpuppet does not impress, nor does it engender support from the wikipedian community, which (though this bit of news might surprise you), you need. And for whatever it’s worth, everything can be double-checked on Wikipedia as to who is who; you have no idea the tools and techniques. And without passing judgement on whether or not you are operating multiple accounts or have a meatpuppet, if you are, that might confer a short-term advantage but is seldom a wise, long-term strategy. Greg L ( talk) 18:29, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
P.S. I removed the COI tag for the moment. What I see of the article in its current state indicates that such a tag is unnecessary. Certainly, if a major contributor is married to the subject of the article, that can lead to articles that read like a glossy, four-color brochure. Due in no small part to recent copyediting and added citations, I see no need to alert the wikipedian community to the existence of a COI issue since the article is currently in no dire need of emergency repairs. 03:03, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
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