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Is the only "source" for this the rense.com article? Because rense is, by wiki's own word, a conspiracy, hoax, and Holocaust denial propagating site run by a crank. This should be removed, unless a reliable source for this allegation can be found, in which case it should be replaced. Y.
Sorry, I know Martin van Creveld. I am credited in one of his books. The link that was given is a complete misrepresentation of his views. I replaced it with another link. Danny 21:29 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)
I was also concerned about the source of that new Martin Van Creveld article on the IAP site "quoting" him saying "we could destroy all European capitals". Im not as certain about its validity as you are. "Does "more reliable" sources, however, mean sanitized sources? And wouldnt the act of sanitizing news sources be propagandist? - PackardGoose
ps. I hadnt noticed that you commented here. Ill have to take your word about that article - it does seem like a highly irresponsible position to take. - PackardGoose
The quote in the history doesn't make much sense either. He said they could hit most European capitals, even Rome -- isn't Rome one of the closest capitals to Israel? If Rome is the furthest extent, then they probably couldn't hit much outside of the Balkans and Hungary and Romania -- hardly most. Tuf-Kat
Actually, van Crefeld is quite an outspoken advocate of the peace camp in Israel. Like I said, I worked with him on a project about ten years ago and I've followed his career to some degree. He is not an advocate of "transfer" or any ridiculous plan to bomb Europe. In fact, I never ever heard anyone advocate that, and I've followed the Israeli extreme right quite extensively. Danny
Well, I'm glad someone's on top of this, because we cant simply blot out a potentially valid newsourse like the IAP on the basis of a few mis-stated reports. Who doesnt omplex get it completely wrong on a regular basis.. The site didnt bother to host that article itself anyway... suspicious. Be well done 'Vert
Thanks for all your work, I got to this article because of the "Bomb European Capitals" quote, and to my surprise it's clarified in this talk page Marty4286 21:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Issue closed. Theobald Tiger ( talk) 15:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Not sure the quote about Iran and Nuclear Weapons is useful information. John Pilger's quote is different than the one in the International Herald Tribune, but he provides no reference. Stephanwehner
Where's a reference to The Rise and Decline of the State ?
I removed the following section of material:
Controversial Statements and Views
As a teacher at Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Van Creveld became also known and widely criticized for his controversial views on women. In 2000, for instance, he stated that the majority of women do not learn anything in class; they only sit and warm up the chair. Between 2000 and 2006 he taught several research seminars with controversial titles, such as "The History of the Privileged Sex" (that is, of women). In the core of his misogynistic philosophy stands a notion that in the modern society women abuse their privileges against men. The men, on the other hand, are badly underprivileged and deprived of their basic rights. He also believes that women tend to be one of the main causes of all wars in history. The controversy was resolved in 2007, when a group of female students, former and present, filed a petition against Van Creveld, to be submitted to the university authorities. As a result, Van Creveld was deprived of his tenure and forced to retire. His overall attitude toward women is expressed and summarized in his Men, women and war (2001).
because it was not supported by references. I don't know one way or the other whether the material is true or not, but my understanding of the BLP guidelines is that material such as this needs to be firmly supported by citation. I'm going to leave a note on the talk page of the IP editor who posted it to inform them of this edit. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 23:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Finally, is true that I am now retired, but not for the reasons indicated. Nobody deprived me of my tenure. After 36 years, I simply felt that preferred to devote myself entirely to research, as I am doing right now.
Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 08:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 17:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
It is no longer on the Chief of Staff of the US Army's reading list. Recommed deletion of the sentence that states it is the only book by a foreigner on the list. However, he does have another book on logistics on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.198.111 ( talk) 01:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there a good reason for the German entry in the list with published works?
As far as I am aware Kampfkraft is a translation of Fighting Power and as such it is the only translation - among many in several languages - included in the list. Theobald Tiger ( talk) 13:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
The only non-American on officers reading list? The CSA reading list also features Sun Tsu and Von Clausewitz, which are not Americans. User:81.165.16.155 14:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
In a September 2003 interview in Elsevier (Dutch weekly) on Israel and the dangers it faces from Iran, the Palestinians and world opinion van Creveld stated:
We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[4]
4.41.149|78.14.41.149]] ( talk) 16:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC) change for readability - DePiep ( talk) 01:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
An editor wants to remove the description of "Arabist" from Jason Pack in this article. Since a "chemist" studies chemistry, a "physicist" studies physics, an "Arabist" studies the Arab world. Why would this editor want this description removed? BMK ( talk) 04:38, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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Is the only "source" for this the rense.com article? Because rense is, by wiki's own word, a conspiracy, hoax, and Holocaust denial propagating site run by a crank. This should be removed, unless a reliable source for this allegation can be found, in which case it should be replaced. Y.
Sorry, I know Martin van Creveld. I am credited in one of his books. The link that was given is a complete misrepresentation of his views. I replaced it with another link. Danny 21:29 Feb 18, 2003 (UTC)
I was also concerned about the source of that new Martin Van Creveld article on the IAP site "quoting" him saying "we could destroy all European capitals". Im not as certain about its validity as you are. "Does "more reliable" sources, however, mean sanitized sources? And wouldnt the act of sanitizing news sources be propagandist? - PackardGoose
ps. I hadnt noticed that you commented here. Ill have to take your word about that article - it does seem like a highly irresponsible position to take. - PackardGoose
The quote in the history doesn't make much sense either. He said they could hit most European capitals, even Rome -- isn't Rome one of the closest capitals to Israel? If Rome is the furthest extent, then they probably couldn't hit much outside of the Balkans and Hungary and Romania -- hardly most. Tuf-Kat
Actually, van Crefeld is quite an outspoken advocate of the peace camp in Israel. Like I said, I worked with him on a project about ten years ago and I've followed his career to some degree. He is not an advocate of "transfer" or any ridiculous plan to bomb Europe. In fact, I never ever heard anyone advocate that, and I've followed the Israeli extreme right quite extensively. Danny
Well, I'm glad someone's on top of this, because we cant simply blot out a potentially valid newsourse like the IAP on the basis of a few mis-stated reports. Who doesnt omplex get it completely wrong on a regular basis.. The site didnt bother to host that article itself anyway... suspicious. Be well done 'Vert
Thanks for all your work, I got to this article because of the "Bomb European Capitals" quote, and to my surprise it's clarified in this talk page Marty4286 21:03, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Issue closed. Theobald Tiger ( talk) 15:00, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Not sure the quote about Iran and Nuclear Weapons is useful information. John Pilger's quote is different than the one in the International Herald Tribune, but he provides no reference. Stephanwehner
Where's a reference to The Rise and Decline of the State ?
I removed the following section of material:
Controversial Statements and Views
As a teacher at Hebrew University of Jerusalem, Van Creveld became also known and widely criticized for his controversial views on women. In 2000, for instance, he stated that the majority of women do not learn anything in class; they only sit and warm up the chair. Between 2000 and 2006 he taught several research seminars with controversial titles, such as "The History of the Privileged Sex" (that is, of women). In the core of his misogynistic philosophy stands a notion that in the modern society women abuse their privileges against men. The men, on the other hand, are badly underprivileged and deprived of their basic rights. He also believes that women tend to be one of the main causes of all wars in history. The controversy was resolved in 2007, when a group of female students, former and present, filed a petition against Van Creveld, to be submitted to the university authorities. As a result, Van Creveld was deprived of his tenure and forced to retire. His overall attitude toward women is expressed and summarized in his Men, women and war (2001).
because it was not supported by references. I don't know one way or the other whether the material is true or not, but my understanding of the BLP guidelines is that material such as this needs to be firmly supported by citation. I'm going to leave a note on the talk page of the IP editor who posted it to inform them of this edit. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 23:04, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Finally, is true that I am now retired, but not for the reasons indicated. Nobody deprived me of my tenure. After 36 years, I simply felt that preferred to devote myself entirely to research, as I am doing right now.
Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) ( talk / cont) 08:14, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Article reassessed and graded as start class. -- dashiellx ( talk) 17:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
It is no longer on the Chief of Staff of the US Army's reading list. Recommed deletion of the sentence that states it is the only book by a foreigner on the list. However, he does have another book on logistics on the list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.198.111 ( talk) 01:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there a good reason for the German entry in the list with published works?
As far as I am aware Kampfkraft is a translation of Fighting Power and as such it is the only translation - among many in several languages - included in the list. Theobald Tiger ( talk) 13:23, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
The only non-American on officers reading list? The CSA reading list also features Sun Tsu and Von Clausewitz, which are not Americans. User:81.165.16.155 14:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
In a September 2003 interview in Elsevier (Dutch weekly) on Israel and the dangers it faces from Iran, the Palestinians and world opinion van Creveld stated:
We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force…. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.[4]
4.41.149|78.14.41.149]] ( talk) 16:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC) change for readability - DePiep ( talk) 01:19, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
An editor wants to remove the description of "Arabist" from Jason Pack in this article. Since a "chemist" studies chemistry, a "physicist" studies physics, an "Arabist" studies the Arab world. Why would this editor want this description removed? BMK ( talk) 04:38, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
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