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I've removed what appears to be a direct copy of this page, which clearly displays a copyright notice and is not credited as a source. A quick look at the Wayback Machine shows the external webpage existed before the text was added to this article, so it appears that some improper copying has taken place here. The material can be re-added if it is appropriately reworded or fully quoted and given proper attribution. Franamax ( talk) 18:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I've put in a reference to this very important paper which has just come out as the cover paper in Nature. I know and collaborate with Martin, but I do think this is (a) important and (b) NPoV. NBeale ( talk) 09:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I've added a section on Supercooperators because any book that gets a substantial review in Nature is IMHO notable enough for this. Also Milinski says something quite important about the NTW paper. However I am a friend of Martin's and if people feel this is insufficiently NPOV please amend. There is lots more to be said about Supercooperators and if someone else were to make an article about the book it wouldn't be a bad idea. NBeale ( talk) 07:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Do we really need so many names in the "list of doctoral students" section, especially when most of these people are not really notable scientists (yet) with their own Wikipedia entries? I would propose deleting most names except those who are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashujo ( talk • contribs) 18:11, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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Martin Nowak is on leave because of previous contacts with Jeffrey Epstein, according to the Harvard Crimson. It's too early for edits and the story will likely evolve in the next few weeks, but we should keep an eye out for it.-- Raxu360 ( talk) 17:51, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Article says: "Nowak played a role in substantiating Epstein's false claims to MIT administrators that he had given tens of millions of dollars to Harvard", with a link to Wired.
Wired says only that Nowak "helped" Epstein tell that story to MIT, based on a linked Harvard report (and an earlier MIT report it does not link to) and does not specify what help MIT says Nowak provided. In particular, Wired says nothing to indicate that Nowak lied to or misled anyone at MIT about amounts of money Harvard derived from Epstein, or otherwise acted badly. There is no other reference to Nowak in the Wired piece, which is about Epstein.
The article at the moment insinuates in Wikivoice that Nowak was a party to Epstein's misrepresentations to MIT, which seems like a blatant BLP violation if Wired is all there is to go by. 73.89.25.252 ( talk) 23:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
I've removed the sentence due to the above findings in the reports. 73.89.25.252 ( talk) 23:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Just to nail this down, from the Harvard report one can infer the underlying facts.
So, Epstein directly and through his friends gave 18-30 million to Harvard depending on how you count, used the webpage links from the Harvard program he had established to draw attention to his claim to have given 35 million, and may have used that in his contact with MIT. Eventually with the help of the same friends, Epstein gave 8 million dollars to MIT, and at a faster rate than the donations to Harvard ( see https epstein-ranking dot xyz, Wikipedia does not allow a direct link). It's not clear here whether Epstein was deceptive at all in presenting himself as potentially a donor of tens of millions of dollars to MIT, and Nowak's role is in putting links on a site, not "substantiating Epstein's false claims to MIT administrators".
Wired's version, that Nowak helped Epstein spread a false story, is also stretching the truth. Reporter privilege is that people rarely dig to check the details so any equivocal insinuation will do. 73.89.25.252 ( talk) 00:30, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
When Ito and other MIT administrators first heard from Epstein, they believed that he had given tens of millions of dollars to Harvard. According to the new report, Epstein spread that false story with the help of PED director Martin Nowak. (Nowak is on paid leave while the university reviews whether he violated its standards of conduct.). Article URL: https://www.wired.com/story/for-jeffrey-epstein-mit-was-just-a-safety-school/ . 73.89.25.252 ( talk) 04:25, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Conrad T. Pino ( talk) 09:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
I have made some edits to get this article in a better state and plan to continue working on it. However, examining the article's history, I have noticed that over the past few months, a series of anonymous IPs have gradually removed content relating to the disciplinary actions against Nowak due to his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. This is a WP:NPOV violation as these events were extensively covered in reliable sources. I will restore this content. Astaire ( talk) 09:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
It appears that recent edits to the website have significantly highlighted the association between Nowak and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. This action violates Wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons (BLP) policy and may stem from personal animosity towards Nowak. The current introductory paragraph offers a well-rounded summary of Nowak's career. 2A01:E0A:808:6FB0:5826:E7F6:D4BA:1979 ( talk) 15:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Nowak's fame derives from his seminal contributions to the field of mathematical biology, his appointments at Oxford/Princeton/Harvard, and his books, especially ‘Supercooperators’. The lead paragraph should reflect this. Incorporating the Epstein affair in the lead paragraph, especially given its discussion in the Career section, is an attempt to unfairly associate Nowak's name with Epstein's crimes, overshadowing the significant scientific and religious pursuits that made Nowak worthy of having a Wiki page in the first place.
The Wikipedia BLP policy explicitly cautions against such edits: ‘Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association, and biased, malicious or overly promotional content.’ By emphasizing the Epstein affair excessively by adding it to the lead paragraph, GumShoe2 has breached this policy.
Moreover, the insistence of GumShoe2 on adding the Epstein affair to the lead paragraph of Nowak’s personal wiki page raises questions about potential jealousy or animosity towards Martin Nowak. If such motivations are at play, it violates the following rule: ‘Wikipedia is not a forum provided for parties to off-wiki disputes to continue their hostilities’.
Notably, GumShoe2 has previously received a warning for disruptive editing, suggesting a propensity to misunderstand or flout Wiki policies, especially when it comes to Wikipedia’s standards of neutrality. 2A01:E0A:808:6FB0:3467:956:6743:2C0F ( talk) 04:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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I've removed what appears to be a direct copy of this page, which clearly displays a copyright notice and is not credited as a source. A quick look at the Wayback Machine shows the external webpage existed before the text was added to this article, so it appears that some improper copying has taken place here. The material can be re-added if it is appropriately reworded or fully quoted and given proper attribution. Franamax ( talk) 18:48, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
I've put in a reference to this very important paper which has just come out as the cover paper in Nature. I know and collaborate with Martin, but I do think this is (a) important and (b) NPoV. NBeale ( talk) 09:06, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
I've added a section on Supercooperators because any book that gets a substantial review in Nature is IMHO notable enough for this. Also Milinski says something quite important about the NTW paper. However I am a friend of Martin's and if people feel this is insufficiently NPOV please amend. There is lots more to be said about Supercooperators and if someone else were to make an article about the book it wouldn't be a bad idea. NBeale ( talk) 07:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Do we really need so many names in the "list of doctoral students" section, especially when most of these people are not really notable scientists (yet) with their own Wikipedia entries? I would propose deleting most names except those who are notable enough to have their own Wikipedia entries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashujo ( talk • contribs) 18:11, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
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Martin Nowak is on leave because of previous contacts with Jeffrey Epstein, according to the Harvard Crimson. It's too early for edits and the story will likely evolve in the next few weeks, but we should keep an eye out for it.-- Raxu360 ( talk) 17:51, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Article says: "Nowak played a role in substantiating Epstein's false claims to MIT administrators that he had given tens of millions of dollars to Harvard", with a link to Wired.
Wired says only that Nowak "helped" Epstein tell that story to MIT, based on a linked Harvard report (and an earlier MIT report it does not link to) and does not specify what help MIT says Nowak provided. In particular, Wired says nothing to indicate that Nowak lied to or misled anyone at MIT about amounts of money Harvard derived from Epstein, or otherwise acted badly. There is no other reference to Nowak in the Wired piece, which is about Epstein.
The article at the moment insinuates in Wikivoice that Nowak was a party to Epstein's misrepresentations to MIT, which seems like a blatant BLP violation if Wired is all there is to go by. 73.89.25.252 ( talk) 23:05, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
I've removed the sentence due to the above findings in the reports. 73.89.25.252 ( talk) 23:28, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Just to nail this down, from the Harvard report one can infer the underlying facts.
So, Epstein directly and through his friends gave 18-30 million to Harvard depending on how you count, used the webpage links from the Harvard program he had established to draw attention to his claim to have given 35 million, and may have used that in his contact with MIT. Eventually with the help of the same friends, Epstein gave 8 million dollars to MIT, and at a faster rate than the donations to Harvard ( see https epstein-ranking dot xyz, Wikipedia does not allow a direct link). It's not clear here whether Epstein was deceptive at all in presenting himself as potentially a donor of tens of millions of dollars to MIT, and Nowak's role is in putting links on a site, not "substantiating Epstein's false claims to MIT administrators".
Wired's version, that Nowak helped Epstein spread a false story, is also stretching the truth. Reporter privilege is that people rarely dig to check the details so any equivocal insinuation will do. 73.89.25.252 ( talk) 00:30, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
When Ito and other MIT administrators first heard from Epstein, they believed that he had given tens of millions of dollars to Harvard. According to the new report, Epstein spread that false story with the help of PED director Martin Nowak. (Nowak is on paid leave while the university reviews whether he violated its standards of conduct.). Article URL: https://www.wired.com/story/for-jeffrey-epstein-mit-was-just-a-safety-school/ . 73.89.25.252 ( talk) 04:25, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Conrad T. Pino ( talk) 09:52, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
I have made some edits to get this article in a better state and plan to continue working on it. However, examining the article's history, I have noticed that over the past few months, a series of anonymous IPs have gradually removed content relating to the disciplinary actions against Nowak due to his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. This is a WP:NPOV violation as these events were extensively covered in reliable sources. I will restore this content. Astaire ( talk) 09:37, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
It appears that recent edits to the website have significantly highlighted the association between Nowak and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. This action violates Wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons (BLP) policy and may stem from personal animosity towards Nowak. The current introductory paragraph offers a well-rounded summary of Nowak's career. 2A01:E0A:808:6FB0:5826:E7F6:D4BA:1979 ( talk) 15:41, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
Nowak's fame derives from his seminal contributions to the field of mathematical biology, his appointments at Oxford/Princeton/Harvard, and his books, especially ‘Supercooperators’. The lead paragraph should reflect this. Incorporating the Epstein affair in the lead paragraph, especially given its discussion in the Career section, is an attempt to unfairly associate Nowak's name with Epstein's crimes, overshadowing the significant scientific and religious pursuits that made Nowak worthy of having a Wiki page in the first place.
The Wikipedia BLP policy explicitly cautions against such edits: ‘Beware of claims that rely on guilt by association, and biased, malicious or overly promotional content.’ By emphasizing the Epstein affair excessively by adding it to the lead paragraph, GumShoe2 has breached this policy.
Moreover, the insistence of GumShoe2 on adding the Epstein affair to the lead paragraph of Nowak’s personal wiki page raises questions about potential jealousy or animosity towards Martin Nowak. If such motivations are at play, it violates the following rule: ‘Wikipedia is not a forum provided for parties to off-wiki disputes to continue their hostilities’.
Notably, GumShoe2 has previously received a warning for disruptive editing, suggesting a propensity to misunderstand or flout Wiki policies, especially when it comes to Wikipedia’s standards of neutrality. 2A01:E0A:808:6FB0:3467:956:6743:2C0F ( talk) 04:57, 2 May 2024 (UTC)