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I moved these from the main article per WP:ELNO - some may or may not be usable as reference material:
- David Gerard ( talk) 19:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
PamKayJohnson ( talk) 11:46, 29 July 2021 (UTC)Dear David,Scottisch, I can agree that the outdated 404 links make sense to be removed, but the CNBC talk is critical due to the extensive press drama about claims that Martin not actually founding Tesla. Why has the section "ongoing" been deleted? Clearly interesting to know what an important person like Martin Eberhard is currently up to. PamKayJohnson ( talk) 11:46, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. In other words, the site should not merely repeat information that is already or should be in the article.If it should be covered in the article we shouldn't be using external links. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 11:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
PamKayJohnson ( talk) 11:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)I can point to others who have performed a number of reverts as a team against my reverts and edit, without answering my concerns and questions. I do appreciate you answering my questions and concerns. I do not want to cause problems, but I do want the page to be accurate and complete, I do wonder about the intense interest in fighting some reasonable updates of this page. I'd appreciate those who have questions to address them before simply deleting edits.
others who have performed a number of revertsshows that WP:CONSENSUS seems to be against your edits, so that leaves you to discuss with the goal of swaying others to your position. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 12:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
COI notice for PamKayJohnson added to talk page, {{ COI}} added to article - David Gerard ( talk) 13:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
David Gerard and ScottishFinnishRadish is it possible to have the birthday and place of birth removed? Martin has been the target of some malicious identify theft this past year, several times, and this information is very private and compromising for him. Can it be removed? Thank you PamKayJohnson ( talk) 17:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish, I've been checking the links in the citations and I found a link that is strangely truncated in the middle text with the rest blocked by a paywall
It is citation number 3: http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-the-origin-story-2014-10
The following link is same story with full text and without a paywall https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-the-origin-story-2014-10
Would it be possible to make this change? Many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 13:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
hi ScottishFinnishRadish, many thanks, greatly appreciated. The link at the top of this page had the same problem. No rush, but when you have time, it would help others who want to read it when they come to this talk page. Many thanks again PamKayJohnson ( talk) 05:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish I realised that I did not respond to your comment about an edit to the talk page. At the top of this Talk page under "Refideas" the highlighted section that says "the following article might be useful in referencing content on this page". The link that appears to be to the intended business insider story is no longer valid. Therefore, my suggestion to use the same non-paywall link to the business insider story that was corrected in the references on the page itself: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-the-origin-story-2014-10 many thanks and best regards PamKayJohnson ( talk) 08:18, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish, Is it appropriate to add podcasts to wiki pages? A new podcast has come out which is very comprehensive, produced by Watt It. the link is https://www.powerhouse.fund/martin. Perhaps it could be added in its own section, or to the references or to external links? Just an idea. Many thanks for your thoughts. PamKayJohnson ( talk) 14:34, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish I've noticed that a noticed has been added to the "early career" potion of Martin's Wiki page claiming there are no sources. One source is the podcast that I mentioned earlier. What other sources are required? How does a person prove where he worked over 40 years ago? Please advise what needs to be provided to have the flag removed that threatens to delete the whole section. Many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish Citation for Nuvomedia: /info/en/?search=Rocket_eBook PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish citation for acquisition of nuvomedia by gemstar https://www.infotoday.com/it/mar00/news12.htm many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish please see the Wyse wiki site under "notable Employees" and you'll see the exact reference to Martin being the engineer of the WY-30 /info/en/?search=Dell_Wyse
Can you please insert these citations, or should I do it? Many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 19:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish thanks for the answers. I'll find better sources for Nuvomedia and the WY-30. The citation for the Gemstar claim is ok? PamKayJohnson ( talk) 19:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish Citations for Nuvomedia https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/the-tale-of-rocketbook-the-very-first-e-reader https://books.google.ch/books?id=8_oaAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA4&dq=%22Martin+Eberhard+rocket+ebook&article_id=6905,3545569&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt_qal84X0AhW7gv0HHZYCCV4Q6AF6BAgIEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Martin%20Eberhard%20rocket%20ebook&f=false PamKayJohnson ( talk) 19:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish some citations for his employment at Wyse (some also cite Nuvomedia) https://www.britannica.com/biography/Martin-Eberhard-and-Marc-Tarpenning https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Dell_Wyse#/Notable_employees https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-the-origin-story-2014-10?r=US&IR=T https://www.cooperhewitt.org/2010/11/16/designing-media-martin-eberhard/ I hope this helps. Many thanks, I know you are busy and I appreciate your time and help PamKayJohnson ( talk) 19:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish Following are citations for the reference to him being a founder of Network computing devices https://www.ithistory.org/db/companies/network-computing-devices https://www.solvusoft.com/en/file-extensions/software/network-computing-devices/ https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/4571925
many thanks again for for time and best regards PamKayJohnson ( talk) 05:02, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadish many thanks for making the changes. I know you are busy but since I agreed not to make changes myself, may I please ask for the following errors to be corrected:
Punctuation/capitalisation error in first section: "...(then Tesla Motors) with Marc Tarpenning. In 2003, where Eberhard...", should read: "...(then Tesla Motors) with Marc Trapanning in 2003, where Eberhard..."
Repeated text in Early career,"the Rocket ebook" appears twice: "...where they developed the Rocket eBook, the first e-book with secure internet delivery of content, the Rocket eBook.", should read: "...where they developed the Rocket eBook, the first e-book with secure internet delivery of content.
many thanks and best regards PamKayJohnson ( talk) 07:09, 11 November 2021
I just made an emergency revert of some changes to Martin's page which were malicious entries of his personal home address to the first line, by IP 65.129.197.35, which I have located to be in Meridian Idaho. This is as far as I understand a crime? I am pretty sure I know the person who did it. Hope you'll understand why I made this change without first checking with you PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:36, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadish Thanks very much. Given the recent extremely public attacks on Martin by Elon, Martin has become a target. Is there a way to block any changes being made to his page? It's bad enough having the richest man on earth attacking him. PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadishthank you very much. Can you help me please, is it a crime to make private information like this public without any permission? PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi talk I was browsing recent changes made to Martin Eberhard's page and found more vandalism, performed at 21:03, on 2 December 2021 by a user with IP 77.243.25.48 The word "found" was changed to "find out about" in the first sentence of the section titled "Tesla Motors". I've gone ahead and changed that back manually
"Eberhard's interest in sports cars, dependence on oil imports, and global warming led him to find out about..."
best regards, PamKayJohnson ( talk) 17:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish the edits to Martin's page by the anonymous user 4 days ago are not in fact consistent with the AC Propulsion references, nor with Martin's Linked in Page. Martin in fact worked with AC Propulsion both with financial investment and technical support to convert the tzero to Lithium Ion batteries. See below, the quote taken from the wiki ""AC Propulsion zero" page reference number 3: "Morris, Charles (2014-04-07). "Tom Gage on ZEV mandates, Tesla's early days, BMW's EV commitment and V2G tech". Charged Electric Vehicles Magazine. Gage: I had a neighbor named Steve Casner, who had a Toyota RAV4 electric, and I always had an EV in my front yard, so we got to talking. He was working at a company with Martin Eberhard, so he told Martin about me. Martin called me, and he had all these schemes, and I was sort of talking through what the realities were. We were just converting the tzero over to lithium-ion batteries. He got involved with that. He actually put some investor money – a small amount – into AC Propulsion, and we finished the conversion of the tzero to lithium-ion batteries."
It is also not true that he bought a zero,he tried to buy one, but they could not build one for him (they needed money) he only borrowed one they they could loan to him (see other links on the AC propulsion page). The only part that is true in the text put in by the anonymous user is that Martin tried to get AC propulsion leadership to take it to production and they declined. If it is okay with you, I'd like to edit the edits made by that anonymous user to reflect the actual reality as in this reference. Or if you prefer, I can provide you with some text that you can put in. many thanks and best regards PamKayJohnson ( talk) 14:28, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish I have just undone a malicious/vandalism edit by user Dhruvh, who according to his talk page, has already been warned about vandalising pages and at this point should now be blocked. Can you please have a look? many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 16:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your help ScottishFinnishRadish. Would it be possible then to add something like this to the body: "Eberhard is an inventor with over 40 patents to his name." ref: https://patents.justia.com/inventor/martin-eberhard Many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 14:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish thank you for your feedback. Martin literally invented the rocket ebook - forefather of today's kindle. Not to mention much of the battery technology used in e-autos. I've found a few external links. Does this help? https://www.powerhouse.fund/martin https://williamliggett.com/2020/07/25/martin-eberhard-co-inventor-of-tesla/ http://grupobcc.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/MARTIN-EBERHARD-2-ENGLISH-VERSION.pdf https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/the-tale-of-rocketbook-the-very-first-e-reader https://dbpedia.org/page/Martin_Eberhard
many thanks for your help PamKayJohnson ( talk) 06:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
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I moved these from the main article per WP:ELNO - some may or may not be usable as reference material:
- David Gerard ( talk) 19:13, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
PamKayJohnson ( talk) 11:46, 29 July 2021 (UTC)Dear David,Scottisch, I can agree that the outdated 404 links make sense to be removed, but the CNBC talk is critical due to the extensive press drama about claims that Martin not actually founding Tesla. Why has the section "ongoing" been deleted? Clearly interesting to know what an important person like Martin Eberhard is currently up to. PamKayJohnson ( talk) 11:46, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. In other words, the site should not merely repeat information that is already or should be in the article.If it should be covered in the article we shouldn't be using external links. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 11:50, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
PamKayJohnson ( talk) 11:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)I can point to others who have performed a number of reverts as a team against my reverts and edit, without answering my concerns and questions. I do appreciate you answering my questions and concerns. I do not want to cause problems, but I do want the page to be accurate and complete, I do wonder about the intense interest in fighting some reasonable updates of this page. I'd appreciate those who have questions to address them before simply deleting edits.
others who have performed a number of revertsshows that WP:CONSENSUS seems to be against your edits, so that leaves you to discuss with the goal of swaying others to your position. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 12:01, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
COI notice for PamKayJohnson added to talk page, {{ COI}} added to article - David Gerard ( talk) 13:27, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
David Gerard and ScottishFinnishRadish is it possible to have the birthday and place of birth removed? Martin has been the target of some malicious identify theft this past year, several times, and this information is very private and compromising for him. Can it be removed? Thank you PamKayJohnson ( talk) 17:45, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish, I've been checking the links in the citations and I found a link that is strangely truncated in the middle text with the rest blocked by a paywall
It is citation number 3: http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-the-origin-story-2014-10
The following link is same story with full text and without a paywall https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-the-origin-story-2014-10
Would it be possible to make this change? Many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 13:02, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
hi ScottishFinnishRadish, many thanks, greatly appreciated. The link at the top of this page had the same problem. No rush, but when you have time, it would help others who want to read it when they come to this talk page. Many thanks again PamKayJohnson ( talk) 05:05, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish I realised that I did not respond to your comment about an edit to the talk page. At the top of this Talk page under "Refideas" the highlighted section that says "the following article might be useful in referencing content on this page". The link that appears to be to the intended business insider story is no longer valid. Therefore, my suggestion to use the same non-paywall link to the business insider story that was corrected in the references on the page itself: https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-the-origin-story-2014-10 many thanks and best regards PamKayJohnson ( talk) 08:18, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish, Is it appropriate to add podcasts to wiki pages? A new podcast has come out which is very comprehensive, produced by Watt It. the link is https://www.powerhouse.fund/martin. Perhaps it could be added in its own section, or to the references or to external links? Just an idea. Many thanks for your thoughts. PamKayJohnson ( talk) 14:34, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish I've noticed that a noticed has been added to the "early career" potion of Martin's Wiki page claiming there are no sources. One source is the podcast that I mentioned earlier. What other sources are required? How does a person prove where he worked over 40 years ago? Please advise what needs to be provided to have the flag removed that threatens to delete the whole section. Many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish Citation for Nuvomedia: /info/en/?search=Rocket_eBook PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:52, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish citation for acquisition of nuvomedia by gemstar https://www.infotoday.com/it/mar00/news12.htm many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish please see the Wyse wiki site under "notable Employees" and you'll see the exact reference to Martin being the engineer of the WY-30 /info/en/?search=Dell_Wyse
Can you please insert these citations, or should I do it? Many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 19:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish thanks for the answers. I'll find better sources for Nuvomedia and the WY-30. The citation for the Gemstar claim is ok? PamKayJohnson ( talk) 19:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish Citations for Nuvomedia https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/the-tale-of-rocketbook-the-very-first-e-reader https://books.google.ch/books?id=8_oaAAAAIBAJ&pg=PA4&dq=%22Martin+Eberhard+rocket+ebook&article_id=6905,3545569&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt_qal84X0AhW7gv0HHZYCCV4Q6AF6BAgIEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Martin%20Eberhard%20rocket%20ebook&f=false PamKayJohnson ( talk) 19:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish some citations for his employment at Wyse (some also cite Nuvomedia) https://www.britannica.com/biography/Martin-Eberhard-and-Marc-Tarpenning https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Dell_Wyse#/Notable_employees https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-the-origin-story-2014-10?r=US&IR=T https://www.cooperhewitt.org/2010/11/16/designing-media-martin-eberhard/ I hope this helps. Many thanks, I know you are busy and I appreciate your time and help PamKayJohnson ( talk) 19:56, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish Following are citations for the reference to him being a founder of Network computing devices https://www.ithistory.org/db/companies/network-computing-devices https://www.solvusoft.com/en/file-extensions/software/network-computing-devices/ https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/4571925
many thanks again for for time and best regards PamKayJohnson ( talk) 05:02, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadish many thanks for making the changes. I know you are busy but since I agreed not to make changes myself, may I please ask for the following errors to be corrected:
Punctuation/capitalisation error in first section: "...(then Tesla Motors) with Marc Tarpenning. In 2003, where Eberhard...", should read: "...(then Tesla Motors) with Marc Trapanning in 2003, where Eberhard..."
Repeated text in Early career,"the Rocket ebook" appears twice: "...where they developed the Rocket eBook, the first e-book with secure internet delivery of content, the Rocket eBook.", should read: "...where they developed the Rocket eBook, the first e-book with secure internet delivery of content.
many thanks and best regards PamKayJohnson ( talk) 07:09, 11 November 2021
I just made an emergency revert of some changes to Martin's page which were malicious entries of his personal home address to the first line, by IP 65.129.197.35, which I have located to be in Meridian Idaho. This is as far as I understand a crime? I am pretty sure I know the person who did it. Hope you'll understand why I made this change without first checking with you PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:36, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadish Thanks very much. Given the recent extremely public attacks on Martin by Elon, Martin has become a target. Is there a way to block any changes being made to his page? It's bad enough having the richest man on earth attacking him. PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:45, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
ScottishFinnishRadishthank you very much. Can you help me please, is it a crime to make private information like this public without any permission? PamKayJohnson ( talk) 18:48, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi talk I was browsing recent changes made to Martin Eberhard's page and found more vandalism, performed at 21:03, on 2 December 2021 by a user with IP 77.243.25.48 The word "found" was changed to "find out about" in the first sentence of the section titled "Tesla Motors". I've gone ahead and changed that back manually
"Eberhard's interest in sports cars, dependence on oil imports, and global warming led him to find out about..."
best regards, PamKayJohnson ( talk) 17:38, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish the edits to Martin's page by the anonymous user 4 days ago are not in fact consistent with the AC Propulsion references, nor with Martin's Linked in Page. Martin in fact worked with AC Propulsion both with financial investment and technical support to convert the tzero to Lithium Ion batteries. See below, the quote taken from the wiki ""AC Propulsion zero" page reference number 3: "Morris, Charles (2014-04-07). "Tom Gage on ZEV mandates, Tesla's early days, BMW's EV commitment and V2G tech". Charged Electric Vehicles Magazine. Gage: I had a neighbor named Steve Casner, who had a Toyota RAV4 electric, and I always had an EV in my front yard, so we got to talking. He was working at a company with Martin Eberhard, so he told Martin about me. Martin called me, and he had all these schemes, and I was sort of talking through what the realities were. We were just converting the tzero over to lithium-ion batteries. He got involved with that. He actually put some investor money – a small amount – into AC Propulsion, and we finished the conversion of the tzero to lithium-ion batteries."
It is also not true that he bought a zero,he tried to buy one, but they could not build one for him (they needed money) he only borrowed one they they could loan to him (see other links on the AC propulsion page). The only part that is true in the text put in by the anonymous user is that Martin tried to get AC propulsion leadership to take it to production and they declined. If it is okay with you, I'd like to edit the edits made by that anonymous user to reflect the actual reality as in this reference. Or if you prefer, I can provide you with some text that you can put in. many thanks and best regards PamKayJohnson ( talk) 14:28, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish I have just undone a malicious/vandalism edit by user Dhruvh, who according to his talk page, has already been warned about vandalising pages and at this point should now be blocked. Can you please have a look? many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 16:33, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for your help ScottishFinnishRadish. Would it be possible then to add something like this to the body: "Eberhard is an inventor with over 40 patents to his name." ref: https://patents.justia.com/inventor/martin-eberhard Many thanks PamKayJohnson ( talk) 14:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi ScottishFinnishRadish thank you for your feedback. Martin literally invented the rocket ebook - forefather of today's kindle. Not to mention much of the battery technology used in e-autos. I've found a few external links. Does this help? https://www.powerhouse.fund/martin https://williamliggett.com/2020/07/25/martin-eberhard-co-inventor-of-tesla/ http://grupobcc.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/MARTIN-EBERHARD-2-ENGLISH-VERSION.pdf https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/the-tale-of-rocketbook-the-very-first-e-reader https://dbpedia.org/page/Martin_Eberhard
many thanks for your help PamKayJohnson ( talk) 06:02, 15 August 2022 (UTC)