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I recommend the following edits and updates to both the Marshall Strabala page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Strabala and the related Shanghai Tower page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Tower . I look forward to your response. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Architect’s page 1. Add new sentence (see draft below) to introduction. It would become second sentence on page:“Strabala also serves as Chief Architect of Shanghai Tower on behalf of Shanghai Construction Group, the facility’s developer.” Sources: Pacific Rim Construction trade magazine, Hong Kong, Feb 27, 2013, “Shanghai Tower: Future Living Today,” http://www.prc-magazine.com/shanghai-tower-future-living-today/
ICS-TV Shanghai (International Channel Shanghai), “Minds of Millionaires” program, originally aired Dec. 2012, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N1zLDFY3H0 See the cable channel’s program description for Minds of Millionaires on the channel’s website at: http://www.icshanghai.com/en/Programs/2013-02-01/118.html
2. Revise wording in opening sentence which is obviously incorrect English from “participated in the design” to simply “designed”…. I believe this old wording was the case of another editor doing some inappropriate "cherry picking," which Wikipedia does not permit Sources: Houston Culture Map, http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/04-09-11-in-and-outs-of-the-new-houston-ballet-center-for-dance-from-architect-marshall-strabala/
Houston Business Journal, “Marshall Strabala gives new meaning to 'super-tall'”, Dec. 26, 2010, http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2010/09/27/newscolumn2.html?page=all
VM Space, architecture magazine, Seoul, Korea, “Integrated Design of Technology and Creative Imagination, July 26, 2010, http://www.vmspace.com/eng/sub_emagazine_view.asp?category=people&idx=10862 ....and I can provide several more credible media sources if you would like more.
3. Gensler paragraph Insert four new words in this sentence......as did in previous sentence for clarification:
“However, Gensler has claimed in an unsuccessful lawsuit that "'Gensler, not (Strabala), is the source of the architectural and design services rendered in designing Hess Tower'", and that Strabala was but "'one of many members of that Gensler team'" that designed the Houston Ballet Center for Dance.[13]”
Add that Strabala was hired as “Director of Design” at Gensler. This title was previously included on this page, but mysteriously deleted without reason. See title in previous page at: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Marshall_Strabala&oldid=307509620 Source: Sources: OfficeNewsWire.com, “J Marshall Strabala Joins Gensler Houston as Director of Design,” http://www.officenewswire.com/1642, retrieved Feb. 28, 2013
4. Formation of new firm The title “Formation of new firm” does not work here. It would have been accurate back in 2010 when the firm was formed, but in 2013, it is not accurate. It is old news when the “formation” happened three years ago. The clearest and most accurate way to title this graph would be to call it “2DEFINE Architects.” After all, the other two graphs are named after Strabala’s past employers so why would it not be fitting to name the employer here, too?
5. 2DEFINE Architects graph In this graph, which can be renamed 2DEFINE Architects, there should again be reference to Strabala serving as Chief Architect of the Shanghai Tower, working for the developer. (see point #1 above for sources and info)
Shanghai Tower page 1. Comparable to other page, insert sentence that reads “Marshall Strabala serves as Chief Architect of Shanghai Tower on behalf of the Shanghai Construction Group, the facility’s developer. Strabala had previously led the design of the facility when he was Director of Design at Gensler.”
Sources: OfficeNewsWire.com, “J Marshall Strabala Joins Gensler Houston as Director of Design” http://www.officenewswire.com/1642, retrieved Feb. 28, 2013
Pacific Rim Construction trade magazine, Hong Kong, Feb 27, 2013, “Shanghai Tower: Future Living Today,” http://www.prc-magazine.com/shanghai-tower-future-living-today/
ICS-TV Shanghai (International Channel Shanghai), “Minds of Millionaires” program, originally aired Dec. 2012, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N1zLDFY3H0 Thank you again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.198.70.97 ( talk) 20:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
You never answered my #1 question above (written from ISP 69.198.70.97) you answered something else entirely. I ask that a new sentence be added that states that, in addition to his 2DEFINE position, he is Chief Architect of Shanghai Tower on behalf of Shanghai Tower Construction and Development, and that fact should be added as a new second sentence on the page introduction, His title should be on this page, just as other Wikipedia biography pages for executives include their proper titles. If you doubt the accuracy of his title, which you obviously do, please pick up the phone and call Gensler’s LA headquarters or Shanghai Tower Construction and Development in Shanghai, the client who he works for and property owner. They can confirm for you. Go ahead! His title can replace reference on page to his working at “...the behest of the client,” as this is more fitting and to the point. Additional sources include:
International Channel Shanghai, Minds of Millionaires TV program, Dec. 2013, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N1zLDFY3H0
Consult Australia and Association of Consulting Architects, seminar flier, Nov 2012 seminar, Perth, Australia https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9WUXR37t7sYJ:www.architecture.com.au/i-cms_file%3Fpage%3D34531/CAACApresentMarshallStrabalaWA.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESioXAb13-waWYCFAHH1gl9CW1J3D8-K9Cim8JaKU13eMbCiIScv0v6p4XvyZpGDh5bUl4PmMMOxzsYuE_tnuAg8gyJL3CGk9hcLyAob2tazMlXkgQN7Nbo1FRrn7aBXeaYF6dHw&sig=AHIEtbQcUL5s5z36nKTNx3izKK2i8V5o6A
Pacific Rim Magazine, Feb. 27, 2013, Shanghai Tower-Future Living Today
VM Space Magazine, Seoul, Korea, Integrated Design of Technology and Creative Imagination”, July 26, 2010 http://www.vmspace.com/eng/sub_emagazine_view.asp?category=people&idx=10862
City Weekend magazine, Shanghai, Dec. 2012, “Shanghai 2013 in Preview” http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/shanghai/articles/blogs-shanghai/cw-radar/shanghai-2013-in-preview-the-biggest-stories-in-the-coming-year-/
Look forward to your response. If you continue to disagree without any merit, I will be happy to take this matter asap to other editors for their views, and to Dispute Resolution (DR). Thank you so much. RobertJoeIllinois ( talk) 01:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Addition of Chief Architect Novaseminary, I ask you to reconsider your recent decision to exclude reference to the architect serving as Chief Architect of Shanghai Tower. Besides the several reliable sources that I have already presented to you with proof of his title, here is one more. Engineering News Record, McGraw-Hill’s “bible” of the engineering and construction field published a Sept. 25, 2012 story called “China Struggles with Supertall Building Boom.” The author, Nadine Post, wrote: “The core will top out at 580 m some time next year, said J. Marshall Strabala, founding partner of Shanghai-based 2Define Architects, which is serving as the tower’s chief architect for the building's quasi-governmental owner-developer, Shanghai Tower Construction & Development Co. Ltd, since 2010. “Construction is going at a great pace,” said Strabala. But the architect said the interfaces at the floor slabs, where the outer glass skin and the inner skin of the occupied tower meet, “is slowing the pace somewhat,” said Strabala. “There is so much going on there,” he added, including a sliding assembly and the need for a two-hour fire rating. (END OF QUOTED MATERIAL) The story is accessible on ENR’s website for a fee. I found a cached version of page 3 of the story, with the architect's inforamtion at: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://enr.construction.com/buildings/building_types/2012/0925-China-Grapples-with-Supertall-Building-Boom.asp?page=3 I look forward to your response. RobertJoeIllinois ( talk) 15:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I am making an edit today to the "Lawsuits" section as Gensler itself dismissed the lawsuit. [1] [2]
Note the second ref is available publicly as I uploaded it to scribed for the purposes of this discussion.
Given that
It is my opinion that intermediate details such as the following are now noise and are as such uninteresting with respect to the Marshall Strabala page
The only interesting thing here is that Gensler sued Strabala alleging certain claims but later dropped their own lawsuit.
It might have been a fascinating change to the law (legal expansion of the Lanham Act from merely goods to also include services) if Gensler had actually pursued it's option to proceed with a trial at the district court and eventually prevailed. Yet Gensler did not instead they dropped all their claims.
Perhaps there is an interesting precedent e.g. Gensler could have continued under an expanded definition of the Lanham Act, however it [Gensler] chose not to continue the litigation it itself initiated. IMHO if the expansion of the "Lanham Act from merely goods to also include services" is in fact newsworthy or even interesting to other's (it certainly isn't for met) then it deserves it own WikiPedia page or perhaps a small reference placed in the Lanham Act page.
Not that it matters, but one wonders if Gensler was merely practicing vexatious litigation, as when looking at the Appellate courts remand
These considerations make it tempting to affirm the district court’s judgment, though not for the district court’s reasons. Yet Strabala has not asked us to take that course. His brief defends the district court’s reasoning and does not ask us to affirm on a different ground. It does not invoke Rule 9(b) or contend that sophisticated clients understand that no single architect is the sole designer of a monster project such as Shanghai Tower. [emphasis added] [3]
Yet IMHO due to the nature of the remand where the appellate court it is apparent that the lower court's judgment would have been affirmed if Strabala had asked for relief on different grounds (rather than relying an the procedural reasoning of the lower court). Perhaps this is why Gensler dropped it's own litigation as they had a nearly insurmountable burden when looking at the remand decision.
Consider me a WP:POTENTIALCOI 108.75.223.67 ( talk) 17:29, 8 August 2015 (UTC) Jon Strabala
No ad hominem attack intended. No editors should add their opinion into a Wikipedia article. So while your opinion does not belong in an article, neither does my opinion belong in a Wikipedia article. If you would like to read more about that, read WP:SOAP and WP:NPOV. I meant only that we should focus on the reported facts, not your opinion about what the lawsuits were about as you presented it above. Novaseminary ( talk) 21:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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I recommend the following edits and updates to both the Marshall Strabala page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Strabala and the related Shanghai Tower page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Tower . I look forward to your response. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Architect’s page 1. Add new sentence (see draft below) to introduction. It would become second sentence on page:“Strabala also serves as Chief Architect of Shanghai Tower on behalf of Shanghai Construction Group, the facility’s developer.” Sources: Pacific Rim Construction trade magazine, Hong Kong, Feb 27, 2013, “Shanghai Tower: Future Living Today,” http://www.prc-magazine.com/shanghai-tower-future-living-today/
ICS-TV Shanghai (International Channel Shanghai), “Minds of Millionaires” program, originally aired Dec. 2012, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N1zLDFY3H0 See the cable channel’s program description for Minds of Millionaires on the channel’s website at: http://www.icshanghai.com/en/Programs/2013-02-01/118.html
2. Revise wording in opening sentence which is obviously incorrect English from “participated in the design” to simply “designed”…. I believe this old wording was the case of another editor doing some inappropriate "cherry picking," which Wikipedia does not permit Sources: Houston Culture Map, http://houston.culturemap.com/newsdetail/04-09-11-in-and-outs-of-the-new-houston-ballet-center-for-dance-from-architect-marshall-strabala/
Houston Business Journal, “Marshall Strabala gives new meaning to 'super-tall'”, Dec. 26, 2010, http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/stories/2010/09/27/newscolumn2.html?page=all
VM Space, architecture magazine, Seoul, Korea, “Integrated Design of Technology and Creative Imagination, July 26, 2010, http://www.vmspace.com/eng/sub_emagazine_view.asp?category=people&idx=10862 ....and I can provide several more credible media sources if you would like more.
3. Gensler paragraph Insert four new words in this sentence......as did in previous sentence for clarification:
“However, Gensler has claimed in an unsuccessful lawsuit that "'Gensler, not (Strabala), is the source of the architectural and design services rendered in designing Hess Tower'", and that Strabala was but "'one of many members of that Gensler team'" that designed the Houston Ballet Center for Dance.[13]”
Add that Strabala was hired as “Director of Design” at Gensler. This title was previously included on this page, but mysteriously deleted without reason. See title in previous page at: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Marshall_Strabala&oldid=307509620 Source: Sources: OfficeNewsWire.com, “J Marshall Strabala Joins Gensler Houston as Director of Design,” http://www.officenewswire.com/1642, retrieved Feb. 28, 2013
4. Formation of new firm The title “Formation of new firm” does not work here. It would have been accurate back in 2010 when the firm was formed, but in 2013, it is not accurate. It is old news when the “formation” happened three years ago. The clearest and most accurate way to title this graph would be to call it “2DEFINE Architects.” After all, the other two graphs are named after Strabala’s past employers so why would it not be fitting to name the employer here, too?
5. 2DEFINE Architects graph In this graph, which can be renamed 2DEFINE Architects, there should again be reference to Strabala serving as Chief Architect of the Shanghai Tower, working for the developer. (see point #1 above for sources and info)
Shanghai Tower page 1. Comparable to other page, insert sentence that reads “Marshall Strabala serves as Chief Architect of Shanghai Tower on behalf of the Shanghai Construction Group, the facility’s developer. Strabala had previously led the design of the facility when he was Director of Design at Gensler.”
Sources: OfficeNewsWire.com, “J Marshall Strabala Joins Gensler Houston as Director of Design” http://www.officenewswire.com/1642, retrieved Feb. 28, 2013
Pacific Rim Construction trade magazine, Hong Kong, Feb 27, 2013, “Shanghai Tower: Future Living Today,” http://www.prc-magazine.com/shanghai-tower-future-living-today/
ICS-TV Shanghai (International Channel Shanghai), “Minds of Millionaires” program, originally aired Dec. 2012, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N1zLDFY3H0 Thank you again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.198.70.97 ( talk) 20:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
You never answered my #1 question above (written from ISP 69.198.70.97) you answered something else entirely. I ask that a new sentence be added that states that, in addition to his 2DEFINE position, he is Chief Architect of Shanghai Tower on behalf of Shanghai Tower Construction and Development, and that fact should be added as a new second sentence on the page introduction, His title should be on this page, just as other Wikipedia biography pages for executives include their proper titles. If you doubt the accuracy of his title, which you obviously do, please pick up the phone and call Gensler’s LA headquarters or Shanghai Tower Construction and Development in Shanghai, the client who he works for and property owner. They can confirm for you. Go ahead! His title can replace reference on page to his working at “...the behest of the client,” as this is more fitting and to the point. Additional sources include:
International Channel Shanghai, Minds of Millionaires TV program, Dec. 2013, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N1zLDFY3H0
Consult Australia and Association of Consulting Architects, seminar flier, Nov 2012 seminar, Perth, Australia https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:9WUXR37t7sYJ:www.architecture.com.au/i-cms_file%3Fpage%3D34531/CAACApresentMarshallStrabalaWA.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESioXAb13-waWYCFAHH1gl9CW1J3D8-K9Cim8JaKU13eMbCiIScv0v6p4XvyZpGDh5bUl4PmMMOxzsYuE_tnuAg8gyJL3CGk9hcLyAob2tazMlXkgQN7Nbo1FRrn7aBXeaYF6dHw&sig=AHIEtbQcUL5s5z36nKTNx3izKK2i8V5o6A
Pacific Rim Magazine, Feb. 27, 2013, Shanghai Tower-Future Living Today
VM Space Magazine, Seoul, Korea, Integrated Design of Technology and Creative Imagination”, July 26, 2010 http://www.vmspace.com/eng/sub_emagazine_view.asp?category=people&idx=10862
City Weekend magazine, Shanghai, Dec. 2012, “Shanghai 2013 in Preview” http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/shanghai/articles/blogs-shanghai/cw-radar/shanghai-2013-in-preview-the-biggest-stories-in-the-coming-year-/
Look forward to your response. If you continue to disagree without any merit, I will be happy to take this matter asap to other editors for their views, and to Dispute Resolution (DR). Thank you so much. RobertJoeIllinois ( talk) 01:41, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Addition of Chief Architect Novaseminary, I ask you to reconsider your recent decision to exclude reference to the architect serving as Chief Architect of Shanghai Tower. Besides the several reliable sources that I have already presented to you with proof of his title, here is one more. Engineering News Record, McGraw-Hill’s “bible” of the engineering and construction field published a Sept. 25, 2012 story called “China Struggles with Supertall Building Boom.” The author, Nadine Post, wrote: “The core will top out at 580 m some time next year, said J. Marshall Strabala, founding partner of Shanghai-based 2Define Architects, which is serving as the tower’s chief architect for the building's quasi-governmental owner-developer, Shanghai Tower Construction & Development Co. Ltd, since 2010. “Construction is going at a great pace,” said Strabala. But the architect said the interfaces at the floor slabs, where the outer glass skin and the inner skin of the occupied tower meet, “is slowing the pace somewhat,” said Strabala. “There is so much going on there,” he added, including a sliding assembly and the need for a two-hour fire rating. (END OF QUOTED MATERIAL) The story is accessible on ENR’s website for a fee. I found a cached version of page 3 of the story, with the architect's inforamtion at: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://enr.construction.com/buildings/building_types/2012/0925-China-Grapples-with-Supertall-Building-Boom.asp?page=3 I look forward to your response. RobertJoeIllinois ( talk) 15:58, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
I am making an edit today to the "Lawsuits" section as Gensler itself dismissed the lawsuit. [1] [2]
Note the second ref is available publicly as I uploaded it to scribed for the purposes of this discussion.
Given that
It is my opinion that intermediate details such as the following are now noise and are as such uninteresting with respect to the Marshall Strabala page
The only interesting thing here is that Gensler sued Strabala alleging certain claims but later dropped their own lawsuit.
It might have been a fascinating change to the law (legal expansion of the Lanham Act from merely goods to also include services) if Gensler had actually pursued it's option to proceed with a trial at the district court and eventually prevailed. Yet Gensler did not instead they dropped all their claims.
Perhaps there is an interesting precedent e.g. Gensler could have continued under an expanded definition of the Lanham Act, however it [Gensler] chose not to continue the litigation it itself initiated. IMHO if the expansion of the "Lanham Act from merely goods to also include services" is in fact newsworthy or even interesting to other's (it certainly isn't for met) then it deserves it own WikiPedia page or perhaps a small reference placed in the Lanham Act page.
Not that it matters, but one wonders if Gensler was merely practicing vexatious litigation, as when looking at the Appellate courts remand
These considerations make it tempting to affirm the district court’s judgment, though not for the district court’s reasons. Yet Strabala has not asked us to take that course. His brief defends the district court’s reasoning and does not ask us to affirm on a different ground. It does not invoke Rule 9(b) or contend that sophisticated clients understand that no single architect is the sole designer of a monster project such as Shanghai Tower. [emphasis added] [3]
Yet IMHO due to the nature of the remand where the appellate court it is apparent that the lower court's judgment would have been affirmed if Strabala had asked for relief on different grounds (rather than relying an the procedural reasoning of the lower court). Perhaps this is why Gensler dropped it's own litigation as they had a nearly insurmountable burden when looking at the remand decision.
Consider me a WP:POTENTIALCOI 108.75.223.67 ( talk) 17:29, 8 August 2015 (UTC) Jon Strabala
No ad hominem attack intended. No editors should add their opinion into a Wikipedia article. So while your opinion does not belong in an article, neither does my opinion belong in a Wikipedia article. If you would like to read more about that, read WP:SOAP and WP:NPOV. I meant only that we should focus on the reported facts, not your opinion about what the lawsuits were about as you presented it above. Novaseminary ( talk) 21:30, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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