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Apparently, the name is C. cainii from Cherax tenuimanus. The latter is a redirect to this page. I gave a citation on the page. Moving a redirect is tricky, so let me know if I'm wrong, I'll be glad. BTW, I prefer species names, common ones are often ambiguous. - Fr ed 18:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I note from the history that a bot edit linked the japanese site on chestnuts. The link above may explain that. Marron ice cream - Yum! - Fr ed 11:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
This is from Stemonitis's user page;
Would you mind going and having another look at the edits you removed. It is not my field but your revert was illogical, if the citation is true. - Fr ed 13:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The marron was split into two distinct species in 2002, when it was realised that some individuals were hairy (Cherax tenuimanus) and others were smooth (now known asthe smooth marron, Cherax cainii). The newly-named hairy marron is endemic to the Margaret River in southwest Western Australia (4).
I've been following this conversation with some interest and may contribute following documents/links:
Lycaon
17:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Shall I leave it to you sort out, or can I have a short while to continue with this? Fr ed 17:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)It is proposed that all previous type fixations for the names Cherax tenuimanus Smith, 1912 and Cherax cainii Austin in Austin & Ryan, 2002 be set aside and neotypes designated for both species to maintain the accustomed usage of the name Cherax tenuimanus. ICZN - BCN Case 3267
Anyway, Fr ed 02:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Cherax cainii | |
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Scientific classification | |
Genus: | |
Species: | C. cainii
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Binomial name | |
Cherax cainii Austin, 2002
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Until we sort this out.
Thanks, Lycaon, for the links. It looks like the names may be changing as we speak, so this may not be the best time to be making changes. I still think that the article should deal solely with the widespread species and not both, making only passing reference to the more narrowly-distributed species (which would get its own article). However, since an application was made in December 2006 to swap the names (see link to BZN above), this is likely to change. I would suggest that until it is clear which scientific name will be applied to which species, we should probably continue to lump them together as C. tenuimanus, as is still done in many works. -- Stemonitis 06:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Here is the quote from iczn:
Case 3267
Cherax tenuimanus Smith, 1912 (Crustacea, Decapoda, PARASTACIDAE): proposed conservation of usage of the specific name
Brett W. Molony1, Brian Jones, Craig S. Lawrence and Vicki A. Gouteff Research Division, Department of Fisheries, Government of Western Australia, West Australian Fisheries and Marine Research Laboratories, PO Box 20, North Beach, Western Australia, 6920 Australia (e-mail: clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au)
1 Present address: Oceanic Fisheries Programme, Secretariat of the Pacific Community, BPD5 98848 Noumea Cedex, New Caledonia (e-mail: BrettM@spc.int)
Abstract. The purpose of this application, under Article 75.6 of the Code, is to conserve the specific name Cherax tenuimanus Smith, 1912 in its accustomed usage, for a species of freshwater crayfish or ‘marron’, important in the aquaculture industry, particularly in Australia. It has long been recognised that there are two subspecies of C. tenuimanus; in 2002 Austin elevated these to species level and proposed the name Cherax cainii for one. Based on the supposed location of Smith’s (1912) type series of C. tenuimanus, Austin applied the name C. tenuimanus to geographically isolated marron found only in a small catchment in Western Australia, and applied his new name C. cainii to all other marron in Australia and elsewhere. This switching of names is causing confusion since almost all usage of the name C. tenuimanus refers to marron occurring outside the area of Smith’s type series. It is proposed that all previous type fixations for the names Cherax tenuimanus Smith, 1912 and Cherax cainii Austin in Austin & Ryan, 2002 be set aside and neotypes designated for both species to maintain the accustomed usage of the name Cherax tenuimanus.
Keywords. Nomenclature; taxonomy; Crustacea; Decapoda; PARASTACIDAE; Cherax; Cherax tenuimanus; Cherax cainii; freshwater crayfish; marron; aquaculture; Australia.
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Apparently, the name is C. cainii from Cherax tenuimanus. The latter is a redirect to this page. I gave a citation on the page. Moving a redirect is tricky, so let me know if I'm wrong, I'll be glad. BTW, I prefer species names, common ones are often ambiguous. - Fr ed 18:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I note from the history that a bot edit linked the japanese site on chestnuts. The link above may explain that. Marron ice cream - Yum! - Fr ed 11:18, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
This is from Stemonitis's user page;
Would you mind going and having another look at the edits you removed. It is not my field but your revert was illogical, if the citation is true. - Fr ed 13:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The marron was split into two distinct species in 2002, when it was realised that some individuals were hairy (Cherax tenuimanus) and others were smooth (now known asthe smooth marron, Cherax cainii). The newly-named hairy marron is endemic to the Margaret River in southwest Western Australia (4).
I've been following this conversation with some interest and may contribute following documents/links:
Lycaon
17:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Shall I leave it to you sort out, or can I have a short while to continue with this? Fr ed 17:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)It is proposed that all previous type fixations for the names Cherax tenuimanus Smith, 1912 and Cherax cainii Austin in Austin & Ryan, 2002 be set aside and neotypes designated for both species to maintain the accustomed usage of the name Cherax tenuimanus. ICZN - BCN Case 3267
Anyway, Fr ed 02:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Cherax cainii | |
---|---|
Scientific classification | |
Genus: | |
Species: | C. cainii
|
Binomial name | |
Cherax cainii Austin, 2002
|
Until we sort this out.
Thanks, Lycaon, for the links. It looks like the names may be changing as we speak, so this may not be the best time to be making changes. I still think that the article should deal solely with the widespread species and not both, making only passing reference to the more narrowly-distributed species (which would get its own article). However, since an application was made in December 2006 to swap the names (see link to BZN above), this is likely to change. I would suggest that until it is clear which scientific name will be applied to which species, we should probably continue to lump them together as C. tenuimanus, as is still done in many works. -- Stemonitis 06:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Here is the quote from iczn:
Case 3267
Cherax tenuimanus Smith, 1912 (Crustacea, Decapoda, PARASTACIDAE): proposed conservation of usage of the specific name
Brett W. Molony1, Brian Jones, Craig S. Lawrence and Vicki A. Gouteff Research Division, Department of Fisheries, Government of Western Australia, West Australian Fisheries and Marine Research Laboratories, PO Box 20, North Beach, Western Australia, 6920 Australia (e-mail: clawrence@fish.wa.gov.au)
1 Present address: Oceanic Fisheries Programme, Secretariat of the Pacific Community, BPD5 98848 Noumea Cedex, New Caledonia (e-mail: BrettM@spc.int)
Abstract. The purpose of this application, under Article 75.6 of the Code, is to conserve the specific name Cherax tenuimanus Smith, 1912 in its accustomed usage, for a species of freshwater crayfish or ‘marron’, important in the aquaculture industry, particularly in Australia. It has long been recognised that there are two subspecies of C. tenuimanus; in 2002 Austin elevated these to species level and proposed the name Cherax cainii for one. Based on the supposed location of Smith’s (1912) type series of C. tenuimanus, Austin applied the name C. tenuimanus to geographically isolated marron found only in a small catchment in Western Australia, and applied his new name C. cainii to all other marron in Australia and elsewhere. This switching of names is causing confusion since almost all usage of the name C. tenuimanus refers to marron occurring outside the area of Smith’s type series. It is proposed that all previous type fixations for the names Cherax tenuimanus Smith, 1912 and Cherax cainii Austin in Austin & Ryan, 2002 be set aside and neotypes designated for both species to maintain the accustomed usage of the name Cherax tenuimanus.
Keywords. Nomenclature; taxonomy; Crustacea; Decapoda; PARASTACIDAE; Cherax; Cherax tenuimanus; Cherax cainii; freshwater crayfish; marron; aquaculture; Australia.