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Hello, from where come from the affirmation that he was 1st Earl of Hertford ? There is no doubt that his son was created as such in 1138 by Stephen, but I can't find any proof for his father. Leigh Rayment's Peerage page agrees with me. Any clue ? Regards, PurpleHz ( talk) 19:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Reference works such as the Complete Peerage and Magna Carta Ancestry all have his son as 1st Earl. Unless someone has a reliable source I think the line should start with Gilbert. Jeffhomes ( talk) 17:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I had added this page to the category 'extinct Marquessates'. User:JCO312 then said 'Not sure how a title can both still exist and be extinct'. I feel that this can occur when a previous creation of a title has become extinct, and the title has been re-created. In this case the title held by Marquess_of_Hertford#Marquesses_of_Hertford,_first_creation_(1641) became extinct in 1675, and a separate Marquessate was held by Marquess_of_Hertford#Marquesses_of_Hertford,_second_creation_(1793). I feel that anyone using that category would want to be made aware of the extinct creation of 1641. I therefore propose to reinstate the category. Alekksandr ( talk) 19:46, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, from where come from the affirmation that he was 1st Earl of Hertford ? There is no doubt that his son was created as such in 1138 by Stephen, but I can't find any proof for his father. Leigh Rayment's Peerage page agrees with me. Any clue ? Regards, PurpleHz ( talk) 19:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree. Reference works such as the Complete Peerage and Magna Carta Ancestry all have his son as 1st Earl. Unless someone has a reliable source I think the line should start with Gilbert. Jeffhomes ( talk) 17:37, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I had added this page to the category 'extinct Marquessates'. User:JCO312 then said 'Not sure how a title can both still exist and be extinct'. I feel that this can occur when a previous creation of a title has become extinct, and the title has been re-created. In this case the title held by Marquess_of_Hertford#Marquesses_of_Hertford,_first_creation_(1641) became extinct in 1675, and a separate Marquessate was held by Marquess_of_Hertford#Marquesses_of_Hertford,_second_creation_(1793). I feel that anyone using that category would want to be made aware of the extinct creation of 1641. I therefore propose to reinstate the category. Alekksandr ( talk) 19:46, 20 January 2016 (UTC)