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if his name is with u, why don't move it? --anon
Which spelling is it? Scoutersig 18:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Worldedixor ( talk) 02:54, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Although both spellings could be correct, the established consensus of Wikipedia could be said to be Maron - compare Syriac Maronite Church (not "Syriac Marounite Church"). Chicbyaccident ( talk) 13:16, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
How come Saint Maroun has a Crosier in the picture? It's something that only abbots and bishops get to use, and it doesn't seem as if he was either. He's called the first Patriarch of the Maronites, but that seems purely honourary since it doesn't look like he got consecrated to the Episcopate. Also, he isn't using a Mitre. J.J. Bustamante 04:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
"The Maronite Church" Is not a seperate church from the Catholic Church. They belong to the Eastern rite of the Catholic Church. The "Romans" belong to the Latin rite of the Catholic Church... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wis ( talk • contribs) 00:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Syriac means "Syrian Christian". You can not call him "Syriac Christian" That would be the exactly same as saying he is "Syrian Christian Christian" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.134.27 ( talk) 02:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
But you can not call him a "Syriac Christian" since Syriac means that he is a christian. Its exactly the same thing as saying he is "Syrian-Christian Christian" Its wrong. You can say he is "Syriac" but you can not put a "Christian" after it because its already in the word Syriac.
Instead it should say that he is a "Syrian christian" or Syrian Aramaean Christian" Remember that the word Syriac is a new word and is newly invented and therefore Mar Maroun should be called what he was at that time. Just like "Ephraim the Syrian" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.134.27 ( talk) 20:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
No, it's not like that. That's two entirely different things. You are wrong, he was a Syriac Christian. Read Syriac Christianity for more info. The TriZ ( talk) 22:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Syriac is also an ethnicity. That's what they call the Chaldeans/Assyrians sometimes. Syrian isn't an ethnicity. It's a nationality. Most Syrians are Arabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.242.40 ( talk) 11:33, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Syriac does not mean Syrian Christian. There are Christian Arabs in Syria who are not Syriac. Just like there are Assyrian Christians in Syria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.241.131.30 ( talk) 17:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
The second illustration indicates him being beheaded, but there is no reference to this in the article. Was he martyred, and if so, by whom ? Claverhouse ( talk) 23:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
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The last time I visited the basilica the image of St. Maron (as well as the Crucifixion) was an icon (substantially different from any other depiction, both in mode and theology). It is by no means a mosaic, let alone a grand mosaic (it's a few feet long by maybe two feet wide).
As such, I have changed the term "grand mosaic" to the proper terminology of icon. Furthermore, I changed the wording since it seemed to be vague as to whether or not the icon of St. Maron was copied from the Rabbula Gospels (which it was not, since the Rabbula Gospels do not include an image of Maron). I also added that the icon of the Mother of Light and the Evangelists were also copied from the Rabbula Gospels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.77 ( talk) 01:08, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. Numerous alternate spellings have been put forward, but none have gained clear community support. Since the current title is in accordance with WP:COMMONNAME, and since pronunciation (in any language) is not a factor in article titles, there is no reason to move the page. Yunshui 雲 水 09:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Maron → Mar Maroun – His official website [2] is the highest authority on the Latin spelling of his name مارون . Most importantly, مارون in Arabic is ALWAYS pronounced Maroun not Maron. Worldedixor ( talk) 03:03, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
As I analyze all the above, and each input has its own value, it is my opinion that the name of the article should be either Saint Maroun, Maroun, or, if we want to disregard the use of "Saint" and "Mar" as per WP policy, and ignore the correct Arabic pronunciation Maroun مارون that is CURRENTLY widely used by the absolute majority of Maronites in Lebanon and Syria, and by most Arabs, then we should say that Saint Maroun was a Syriac Saint, as clearly asserted here Maronites, not an Arab Saint, and therefore must use the correct Syriac pronunciation ܡܪܘܢ or Moron (not Maron). So, I believe that it should be Saint Maroun, Maroun, or Moron (with Moron being the most accurate pronunciation based on all the above), with all the others included as redirects of course. Worldedixor ( talk) 04:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
CONSENSUS FOR REVIEW BY ADMIN: Unless someone theologically influential can present an excellent argument for Maroun, and considering everyone's input, it appears that: 1. Per WP, we cannot add Saint. 2. our hearts is with Maroun with tons of justification for Maroun, and this is what I REALLY wanted. 3. HOWEVER, against what I initially wanted, since Mar Maroun was certainly a Syriac Saint not Lebanese nor Arab, then the Syriac pronunciation ܡܪܘܢ transliterated Moron must be duly used for the article of this wonderful Saint, with all the other pronunciations re-directed, of course.
Therefore, I am happy to compromise and OBJECTIVELY agree with the consensus that the article should be changed to Moron (2 o's) not Maroun. Worldedixor ( talk) 23:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
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if his name is with u, why don't move it? --anon
Which spelling is it? Scoutersig 18:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Worldedixor ( talk) 02:54, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Although both spellings could be correct, the established consensus of Wikipedia could be said to be Maron - compare Syriac Maronite Church (not "Syriac Marounite Church"). Chicbyaccident ( talk) 13:16, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
How come Saint Maroun has a Crosier in the picture? It's something that only abbots and bishops get to use, and it doesn't seem as if he was either. He's called the first Patriarch of the Maronites, but that seems purely honourary since it doesn't look like he got consecrated to the Episcopate. Also, he isn't using a Mitre. J.J. Bustamante 04:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
"The Maronite Church" Is not a seperate church from the Catholic Church. They belong to the Eastern rite of the Catholic Church. The "Romans" belong to the Latin rite of the Catholic Church... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wis ( talk • contribs) 00:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Syriac means "Syrian Christian". You can not call him "Syriac Christian" That would be the exactly same as saying he is "Syrian Christian Christian" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.134.27 ( talk) 02:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
But you can not call him a "Syriac Christian" since Syriac means that he is a christian. Its exactly the same thing as saying he is "Syrian-Christian Christian" Its wrong. You can say he is "Syriac" but you can not put a "Christian" after it because its already in the word Syriac.
Instead it should say that he is a "Syrian christian" or Syrian Aramaean Christian" Remember that the word Syriac is a new word and is newly invented and therefore Mar Maroun should be called what he was at that time. Just like "Ephraim the Syrian" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.134.27 ( talk) 20:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
No, it's not like that. That's two entirely different things. You are wrong, he was a Syriac Christian. Read Syriac Christianity for more info. The TriZ ( talk) 22:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Syriac is also an ethnicity. That's what they call the Chaldeans/Assyrians sometimes. Syrian isn't an ethnicity. It's a nationality. Most Syrians are Arabs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.168.242.40 ( talk) 11:33, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
Syriac does not mean Syrian Christian. There are Christian Arabs in Syria who are not Syriac. Just like there are Assyrian Christians in Syria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.241.131.30 ( talk) 17:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
The second illustration indicates him being beheaded, but there is no reference to this in the article. Was he martyred, and if so, by whom ? Claverhouse ( talk) 23:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
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The last time I visited the basilica the image of St. Maron (as well as the Crucifixion) was an icon (substantially different from any other depiction, both in mode and theology). It is by no means a mosaic, let alone a grand mosaic (it's a few feet long by maybe two feet wide).
As such, I have changed the term "grand mosaic" to the proper terminology of icon. Furthermore, I changed the wording since it seemed to be vague as to whether or not the icon of St. Maron was copied from the Rabbula Gospels (which it was not, since the Rabbula Gospels do not include an image of Maron). I also added that the icon of the Mother of Light and the Evangelists were also copied from the Rabbula Gospels. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.95.77 ( talk) 01:08, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. Numerous alternate spellings have been put forward, but none have gained clear community support. Since the current title is in accordance with WP:COMMONNAME, and since pronunciation (in any language) is not a factor in article titles, there is no reason to move the page. Yunshui 雲 水 09:05, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Maron → Mar Maroun – His official website [2] is the highest authority on the Latin spelling of his name مارون . Most importantly, مارون in Arabic is ALWAYS pronounced Maroun not Maron. Worldedixor ( talk) 03:03, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
As I analyze all the above, and each input has its own value, it is my opinion that the name of the article should be either Saint Maroun, Maroun, or, if we want to disregard the use of "Saint" and "Mar" as per WP policy, and ignore the correct Arabic pronunciation Maroun مارون that is CURRENTLY widely used by the absolute majority of Maronites in Lebanon and Syria, and by most Arabs, then we should say that Saint Maroun was a Syriac Saint, as clearly asserted here Maronites, not an Arab Saint, and therefore must use the correct Syriac pronunciation ܡܪܘܢ or Moron (not Maron). So, I believe that it should be Saint Maroun, Maroun, or Moron (with Moron being the most accurate pronunciation based on all the above), with all the others included as redirects of course. Worldedixor ( talk) 04:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
CONSENSUS FOR REVIEW BY ADMIN: Unless someone theologically influential can present an excellent argument for Maroun, and considering everyone's input, it appears that: 1. Per WP, we cannot add Saint. 2. our hearts is with Maroun with tons of justification for Maroun, and this is what I REALLY wanted. 3. HOWEVER, against what I initially wanted, since Mar Maroun was certainly a Syriac Saint not Lebanese nor Arab, then the Syriac pronunciation ܡܪܘܢ transliterated Moron must be duly used for the article of this wonderful Saint, with all the other pronunciations re-directed, of course.
Therefore, I am happy to compromise and OBJECTIVELY agree with the consensus that the article should be changed to Moron (2 o's) not Maroun. Worldedixor ( talk) 23:24, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
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