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Christmas cantata
Christen, ätzet diesen Tag, BWV 63, which is scored lavishly but has "no music for the shepherds or for the angels", was performed in the
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Hello Bermicourt, thank you for your help. I made some improvements, and left out some details, added others, because the story became very complex. As Germans tend to make long sentences which are not so easy to understand, I changed your style (translation). I hope you agree. I will go on later on. Taksen ( talk) 04:40, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello Bermicourt, I suppose we were both wrong. Because of the tectonic fault in Halle the salt water or brine comes to the surface at four places close to the Market. There were no salt pans in Halle, where the sun or the wind did their job. The brine was brought in with buckets and boiled in kettles as far as I understand the story from the Halloren- und Salinenmuseum. It will be difficult to explain that in a few words. Thanks for your attentiveness. Taksen ( talk) 19:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
In Das Kantatewerk, Vol. 4 by Harnoncourt and Leonhardt the following text can be read: "Christen, ätzet diesen Tag (BWV 63) is from a textual point of view a Christmas cantata, but the purpose for which Bach composed the work is uncertain. In view of the fact that the text is probably written by the Halle theologian J.M. Heineccius, it seems appropriate to consider the cantata an audition piece for Bach's application for the post of organist at the Church of Our Lady at Halle in 1715 or to connect it with Bach's inspection of the organ at the same church in 1716." (Ludwig Finscher 1976). Taksen ( talk) 04:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
BTW, I was not very impressed with the text of the DYK, too complicated and not encouraging to investigate the Market Church. It does not look anybody came to visit this lemma today. Taksen ( talk) 23:14, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello Pumpkin, thanks for your help. It looks more professional! But I have strong objections against your section about the five towers. Your details are uninteresting and look like "Werbung" from a guidebook. It was mentioned already above and I don't think it needs more attention. Besides the stamp is ugly. If a pic of the real painting had been added it would made a difference, but there are already many pictures already of the towers. Please move it somewhere else where it can be of more use. It is an unnecessary repetition. Greetings from Amsterdam. Taksen ( talk) 05:43, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Please go on in the Halle article. It does not belong here, it has nothing to do with the church and I am very upset, that within an hour people take advantage to put redundant information here. Taksen ( talk) 10:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Pumkin information made the article sloppy, I can't accept it. Why don't you start with the Gottesacker, which seems to be an interesting place. Did you go there when you were in Halle? Taksen ( talk) 10:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
May be you could find a source for the Schübler Chorales which seems to have been written by JS for WF Bach or he performed it after he was appointed in Halle. Dutch sources do suggest this. Taksen ( talk) 11:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I hope to find sources that give information about the connection between the church and the university. Where else can you give lectures for thousand students. Untill now nobody replied in Halle, may be it is not easy to prove. I asked the Stadtarchiv and the Philosophy department and still waiting for replies. Taksen ( talk) 11:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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![]() | A
fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the "
Did you know?" column on
December 25, 2011. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Bach's earliest surviving
Christmas cantata
Christen, ätzet diesen Tag, BWV 63, which is scored lavishly but has "no music for the shepherds or for the angels", was performed in the
Liebfrauenkirche in Halle (pictured)? |
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Hello Bermicourt, thank you for your help. I made some improvements, and left out some details, added others, because the story became very complex. As Germans tend to make long sentences which are not so easy to understand, I changed your style (translation). I hope you agree. I will go on later on. Taksen ( talk) 04:40, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello Bermicourt, I suppose we were both wrong. Because of the tectonic fault in Halle the salt water or brine comes to the surface at four places close to the Market. There were no salt pans in Halle, where the sun or the wind did their job. The brine was brought in with buckets and boiled in kettles as far as I understand the story from the Halloren- und Salinenmuseum. It will be difficult to explain that in a few words. Thanks for your attentiveness. Taksen ( talk) 19:20, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
In Das Kantatewerk, Vol. 4 by Harnoncourt and Leonhardt the following text can be read: "Christen, ätzet diesen Tag (BWV 63) is from a textual point of view a Christmas cantata, but the purpose for which Bach composed the work is uncertain. In view of the fact that the text is probably written by the Halle theologian J.M. Heineccius, it seems appropriate to consider the cantata an audition piece for Bach's application for the post of organist at the Church of Our Lady at Halle in 1715 or to connect it with Bach's inspection of the organ at the same church in 1716." (Ludwig Finscher 1976). Taksen ( talk) 04:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
BTW, I was not very impressed with the text of the DYK, too complicated and not encouraging to investigate the Market Church. It does not look anybody came to visit this lemma today. Taksen ( talk) 23:14, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Hello Pumpkin, thanks for your help. It looks more professional! But I have strong objections against your section about the five towers. Your details are uninteresting and look like "Werbung" from a guidebook. It was mentioned already above and I don't think it needs more attention. Besides the stamp is ugly. If a pic of the real painting had been added it would made a difference, but there are already many pictures already of the towers. Please move it somewhere else where it can be of more use. It is an unnecessary repetition. Greetings from Amsterdam. Taksen ( talk) 05:43, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Please go on in the Halle article. It does not belong here, it has nothing to do with the church and I am very upset, that within an hour people take advantage to put redundant information here. Taksen ( talk) 10:19, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Pumkin information made the article sloppy, I can't accept it. Why don't you start with the Gottesacker, which seems to be an interesting place. Did you go there when you were in Halle? Taksen ( talk) 10:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
May be you could find a source for the Schübler Chorales which seems to have been written by JS for WF Bach or he performed it after he was appointed in Halle. Dutch sources do suggest this. Taksen ( talk) 11:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I hope to find sources that give information about the connection between the church and the university. Where else can you give lectures for thousand students. Untill now nobody replied in Halle, may be it is not easy to prove. I asked the Stadtarchiv and the Philosophy department and still waiting for replies. Taksen ( talk) 11:12, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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