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This bit doesn't seem to have any proper context: "The actual author was identified as Christopher Marlowe, Francis Bacon, the Earl of Oxford, Edward de Vere or Mary Sidney (Mary Sidney Herbert, Countess of Pembroke." What is meant by this? Does this mean that in the play "I am Shakespeare" the actual author was identified as Christopher Marlowe etc.? Because some readers of this section may get the impression that the authorship of Shakespeare has been totally proven to be the writers above, when in truth the matter is still open to debate. I'd re-write it but I don't quite understand what the writer of this section was referring to. If it is meant literally, it is of course incorrect. It's impossible to really prove anything in regard to this subject. Needs correcting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.177.93 ( talk) 01:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, the link to John Abbott (in Bibliography section) is wrong - he is not the same John Abbott as the one who wrote the book mentioned. Please can this be corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DorothyJacobi ( talk • contribs) 11:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Is there any reason why the categories section at the bottom of this article includes: 'Male actors from Connecticut' and 'Male actors from Wisconsin' when it's clear to anyone that Mark Rylance is 'from' neither of those places? The article doesn't even talk about his living arrangements, but if he is residing in the U.S. he's not 'from' there, even if he officially immigrates. He can't also be 'from' several places; only 'in' some of them and 'from' one.
I don't see why it's even noteworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.130.113.142 ( talk) 22:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
At what point do we stop referring to the grandfather and start referring to Rylance? I'm guessing it's at "He has…” If that's true, a new paragraph should probably start there, with "Rylance" in place of "He". In any case, it should be clarified, IMHO. [Irrelevant comments omitted, directed at cat instead] – AndyFielding ( talk) 02:23, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
I made the change, which was reverted. This has just been announced in the news. 86.165.168.254 ( talk) 18:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Per
MOS:NATIONALITY: The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable
.
Rylance lived in the US for 16 years (ages 2-16), and has lived here off and on ever since. Many multiple sources refer to Rylance as someone with an American/midwestern background. See: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
The stable version of this article is "British-American
". Per
WP:BRD and
WP:ONUS, it is on the anonymous IP to use sourcing to justify the content's removal. This is hardly "contentious", no one is accusing Rylance of a crime, prejudice, disease, deficiency, illness, etc etc. If being "american" is that bad, we probably have some other issues to deal with.
I think given the sourcing we have here, I would also be in favor of "Mark Rylance is a British-born and American-raised actor
...." or something similar. —
Shibbolethink (
♔
♕) 21:46, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Sir David Mark Rylance Waters (born 18 January 1960) is a British actor, playwright and theatre director who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States.The citations you added should remain to support this amended content, and we should ensure that this is adequately explained also in the body of the article. General Ization Talk 22:41, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Sir David Mark Rylance Waters (born 18 January 1960) is a British actor, playwright and theatre director who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States
He is not a US citizen or national, nor a permanent resident
It is a falsehood to claim the stable version is British American, it was only added two days ago
is a British actor, playwright and theatre director who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States”. Aside from the OVERLINKING and inconsistent punctuation with the serial comma, are you seriously telling me that is the best description you think Rylance should have? Crowbarring in nationalism just for the sake of it? Take off the last 11 words and you’ve got a good opening sentence. It’s late here, but my next move will be to get more eyes on this rather ridiculous sentence by opening an RFC in the morning. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7D16:A849:4BD3:B993 ( talk) 23:32, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Should the opening line of the article contain the phrase "who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States" and three sources?
2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7183:2FED:A175:2EA1 (
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is a British actor, playwright and theatre director who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States". The addition of the information about him being in the US fails MOS:BEGIN, and (particularly) MOS:LEADBIO. It also breaches WP:LEAD as a whole, as it is not a reflection of the article. Where he spent his spent his life from age 2 to 16 is not part of his notability and should not be in the lead sentence or lead paragraph.
is a British actor, playwright and theatre director." The three sources shouldn't be in the lead - the information should be sourced in the article. – The editor formally known as SchroCat, editing from 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7183:2FED:A175:2EA1 ( talk) 08:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
We have gone through the discussion above, where there was no agreement and one was not likely to come- Agreement must not be unanimous. Good wiki-conduct would tell us to wait for unrelated users to weigh in naturally. Since Wiki's project is never done, and there is no time limit. An RFC in this situation is fine, but there were definitely better ways to resolve it. And this particular form of RFC is not comprehensively worded or neutrally presented. It does not represent the original dispute (whether to include "American" at all), nor does it present the compromise based on the sources. That is my issue with it.
You stalking me to other discussions, is a dubious step for an editor to take, and I'm both disgusted and chilled by it.See this applicable discussion on user talk, where it is appropriately placed. Such discussion is off topic here. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 15:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
While born in the United Kingdom, Rylance was raised in the United States from ages 2 to 18. But I really think that's just stylistic, a minor difference from your sentence. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 17:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
meretriciously- "of or relating to a prostitute" ? Sorry I offended your puritanical sensibilities on what I considered a discussion worth having. On wikipedia, I am happy to see consensus is against me, because it means the problem is solved and I don't have to worry about it and can move on. But on the other hand, I'm pretty unhappy when other editors call me a prostitute and tell me I should be ashamed of myself. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 21:25, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Alluring by false show; showily or superficially attractive but having in reality no value or integrity". No-one is calling you a prostitute - that much is rather obvious, particularly as the term is shown as "Obsolete". Personally, I get uppity when people accuse me of socking or opening an RFC in bad faith, or harassing or stalking me, let alone when they delete my comments from talk pages, but each to their own. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:655C:41A2:7382:EE32 ( talk) 21:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
It's important to recognize when consensus is against you on wiki, and this is absolutely one such situation.— Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 23:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Mark starred as terrible but ambitious golfer Maurice Flitcroft in this comedy. Maurice holds the world record for the worst scores ever at the British open. 80.209.142.120 ( talk) 08:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Mark Rylance was the voice of Flop in the animated children's tv programme Bing from 2014-2021. Svm123214 ( talk) 20:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
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This bit doesn't seem to have any proper context: "The actual author was identified as Christopher Marlowe, Francis Bacon, the Earl of Oxford, Edward de Vere or Mary Sidney (Mary Sidney Herbert, Countess of Pembroke." What is meant by this? Does this mean that in the play "I am Shakespeare" the actual author was identified as Christopher Marlowe etc.? Because some readers of this section may get the impression that the authorship of Shakespeare has been totally proven to be the writers above, when in truth the matter is still open to debate. I'd re-write it but I don't quite understand what the writer of this section was referring to. If it is meant literally, it is of course incorrect. It's impossible to really prove anything in regard to this subject. Needs correcting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.177.93 ( talk) 01:08, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, the link to John Abbott (in Bibliography section) is wrong - he is not the same John Abbott as the one who wrote the book mentioned. Please can this be corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DorothyJacobi ( talk • contribs) 11:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
Is there any reason why the categories section at the bottom of this article includes: 'Male actors from Connecticut' and 'Male actors from Wisconsin' when it's clear to anyone that Mark Rylance is 'from' neither of those places? The article doesn't even talk about his living arrangements, but if he is residing in the U.S. he's not 'from' there, even if he officially immigrates. He can't also be 'from' several places; only 'in' some of them and 'from' one.
I don't see why it's even noteworthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.130.113.142 ( talk) 22:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
At what point do we stop referring to the grandfather and start referring to Rylance? I'm guessing it's at "He has…” If that's true, a new paragraph should probably start there, with "Rylance" in place of "He". In any case, it should be clarified, IMHO. [Irrelevant comments omitted, directed at cat instead] – AndyFielding ( talk) 02:23, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
I made the change, which was reverted. This has just been announced in the news. 86.165.168.254 ( talk) 18:54, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Per
MOS:NATIONALITY: The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is currently a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable
.
Rylance lived in the US for 16 years (ages 2-16), and has lived here off and on ever since. Many multiple sources refer to Rylance as someone with an American/midwestern background. See: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
The stable version of this article is "British-American
". Per
WP:BRD and
WP:ONUS, it is on the anonymous IP to use sourcing to justify the content's removal. This is hardly "contentious", no one is accusing Rylance of a crime, prejudice, disease, deficiency, illness, etc etc. If being "american" is that bad, we probably have some other issues to deal with.
I think given the sourcing we have here, I would also be in favor of "Mark Rylance is a British-born and American-raised actor
...." or something similar. —
Shibbolethink (
♔
♕) 21:46, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Sir David Mark Rylance Waters (born 18 January 1960) is a British actor, playwright and theatre director who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States.The citations you added should remain to support this amended content, and we should ensure that this is adequately explained also in the body of the article. General Ization Talk 22:41, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Sir David Mark Rylance Waters (born 18 January 1960) is a British actor, playwright and theatre director who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States
He is not a US citizen or national, nor a permanent resident
It is a falsehood to claim the stable version is British American, it was only added two days ago
is a British actor, playwright and theatre director who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States”. Aside from the OVERLINKING and inconsistent punctuation with the serial comma, are you seriously telling me that is the best description you think Rylance should have? Crowbarring in nationalism just for the sake of it? Take off the last 11 words and you’ve got a good opening sentence. It’s late here, but my next move will be to get more eyes on this rather ridiculous sentence by opening an RFC in the morning. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7D16:A849:4BD3:B993 ( talk) 23:32, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
Should the opening line of the article contain the phrase "who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States" and three sources?
2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7183:2FED:A175:2EA1 (
talk) 08:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
is a British actor, playwright and theatre director who has lived, studied, and worked extensively in the United States". The addition of the information about him being in the US fails MOS:BEGIN, and (particularly) MOS:LEADBIO. It also breaches WP:LEAD as a whole, as it is not a reflection of the article. Where he spent his spent his life from age 2 to 16 is not part of his notability and should not be in the lead sentence or lead paragraph.
is a British actor, playwright and theatre director." The three sources shouldn't be in the lead - the information should be sourced in the article. – The editor formally known as SchroCat, editing from 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:7183:2FED:A175:2EA1 ( talk) 08:40, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
We have gone through the discussion above, where there was no agreement and one was not likely to come- Agreement must not be unanimous. Good wiki-conduct would tell us to wait for unrelated users to weigh in naturally. Since Wiki's project is never done, and there is no time limit. An RFC in this situation is fine, but there were definitely better ways to resolve it. And this particular form of RFC is not comprehensively worded or neutrally presented. It does not represent the original dispute (whether to include "American" at all), nor does it present the compromise based on the sources. That is my issue with it.
You stalking me to other discussions, is a dubious step for an editor to take, and I'm both disgusted and chilled by it.See this applicable discussion on user talk, where it is appropriately placed. Such discussion is off topic here. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 15:34, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
While born in the United Kingdom, Rylance was raised in the United States from ages 2 to 18. But I really think that's just stylistic, a minor difference from your sentence. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 17:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
meretriciously- "of or relating to a prostitute" ? Sorry I offended your puritanical sensibilities on what I considered a discussion worth having. On wikipedia, I am happy to see consensus is against me, because it means the problem is solved and I don't have to worry about it and can move on. But on the other hand, I'm pretty unhappy when other editors call me a prostitute and tell me I should be ashamed of myself. — Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 21:25, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
Alluring by false show; showily or superficially attractive but having in reality no value or integrity". No-one is calling you a prostitute - that much is rather obvious, particularly as the term is shown as "Obsolete". Personally, I get uppity when people accuse me of socking or opening an RFC in bad faith, or harassing or stalking me, let alone when they delete my comments from talk pages, but each to their own. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9801:655C:41A2:7382:EE32 ( talk) 21:30, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
It's important to recognize when consensus is against you on wiki, and this is absolutely one such situation.— Shibbolethink ( ♔ ♕) 23:29, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Mark starred as terrible but ambitious golfer Maurice Flitcroft in this comedy. Maurice holds the world record for the worst scores ever at the British open. 80.209.142.120 ( talk) 08:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Mark Rylance was the voice of Flop in the animated children's tv programme Bing from 2014-2021. Svm123214 ( talk) 20:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)