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I have undone this version of the article, because the additions were unsourced (which violates Wikipedia:Verifiability), and were written in the first person (which is discoraged per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#First-person pronouns).
I note that the article has been the subject of edit warring recently, which is never good for the encyclopedia. I am posting this message to the talk pages of the involved contributors, and hope that they come here to discuss the issue and come to a solution, instead of resorting to coninual back-and-forth in the article itself. -- saberwyn 08:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Although my Google-fu is weak, I've turned up a couple of possible sources that may be of use in expanding this article. Unfortunately, I do not have access to any of these (snippet view on Google Books, etc)...maybe someone can help?
One option for the development of this list might be to expand the scope into an actual article on the Mark 8 LCT, including the technical data, builders, 'class' operational history, etc. Of course, this would be dependant on finding reliable, published sources for this info. -- saberwyn 02:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is that hp fig for all 4 diesels, or each? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 01:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Copied from my talk page in an effort to centralise any future discussion:
I seem to have lit a banger in the back garden over the issue of Mark 8 Landing Craft Tank (British). I think it is really good that a number of you have now made positive contributions, rather than arguing about whether they were named after WW2 battles or WW2 amphibious landings. My suggestion therefore is, that rather than row about it, let us talk constructively. I served on 2 of these boats; so I do know what I am talking about. I intend to completely re-write the article shortly and I will submit my text to all of you for peer review and approval. Little did I know what controversy this item would cause when I first started it. My public e-mail address is Med.croft@virgin.net. Medcroft ( talk) 00:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps I should politely point out that the only person who has argued about anything on this page is yourself Medcroft. We have all been working on it constructively and made nothing but positive contributions since we started, and I hope that you now start to talk constructively and work with us without resorting to arguments (but this is not a good start). Each editor has his or her own reasons for editing an article and I’m afraid your service, while maybe giving you some experience, does not give you any extra authority.
You seem to think that a lot of our edits are (or have been) vandalism or otherwise unconstructive. Please realise we are trying to bring this article into line with basic wiki policies, and I urge you once again to have a look at some of the main ones; WP:MOS, WP:Verifiability and WP:Civil. You are most welcome to make edits to the page, but please be constructive and do not delete or adapt sourced material. If you do I will have no hesitation in contacting admins and you will likely receive warnings again. The gallery for this page is too big, as two users have pointed out to you already, and I will be shrinking it. Once again please respect Wikipedia policy on this matter.
If you intend to completely rewrite the article I would strongly recommend that you take the extremely well meant advice given to you some time back by Jackyd101, and create the new article at User:Medcroft/Sandbox. This way you can work on it in your own time without interference. When it is ready you can post a note here or on our talkpages giving us time to review it against Wikipedia’s standards, before it is uploaded into mainspace. In the meantime I will most likely be making further additions to this version of the article because it interests me (for reasons I have already explained to you). Once your version is ready we can work on integrating it with the information already here.
Once again Medcroft, please realise that we are not trying to usurp you, belittle your experience or otherwise antagonise you. Several editors have shown nothing but genuine efforts to help you out. Please respect that and understand that this is how Wikipedia works. Cheers, Ranger Steve ( talk) 10:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to query the relevance of the caption for the 'polaris missile' caption...specifically, the sentance stating that the vessel's pennant number is present on the ship's bell. There has been a bit of back-and-forth over this during the article's history. I don't think adding this to the caption is relevant because:
I am not dismissing the idea that this information would not be relevant in another context (for example, a future article on the vessel herself), but doubt the benefit of including this information here. What do others think...is this part of the caption relevant to this article? -- saberwyn 00:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Considering the image changes, I wish to clarify that I believe File:HMAV Abbeville (L4041) - At Rhu Hard - July 1977.jpg (the 'polaris missile' image) is the best one to illustrate the size of the LCT's tank deck, at article size, we have a measurable feature (the Polaris missile) to use as reference, and at full resolution, other measurable features (particularly, the people in and around the tank deck). My objection was only with referring to the ship's bell in the caption, as this had very little relevance to what the image was being used to illustrate. -- saberwyn 12:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Would anyone be able to better identify the "RASC/RCT corps history" recently added to the article as a source? Without more detailed bibliographic information (author and title at a minimum), it makes it hard to verify this source, and the information attributed to it may have to be removed. -- saberwyn 06:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 04:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 22:08, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 23:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking that having five links to the Pathé Newsreel website is a little excessive. According to the external links guideline, external links should only be included if they add to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject but can't be included in the text of the article because of copyright.
I'm not sure that linking out to five rich media pages on the same broad subject (newsreels showing the ships in action) adds much more in understanding than one, and requires that readers visit five 'rich' pages (while requiring the right plug-in and with the attendant problems with download limits/speeds associated with such media) in order to see...more of the same. -- saberwyn 12:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 22:08, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
The revision by IP 86.31.168.175 at 04:41, 10 April 2010 does seem reasonable. The Paxman History Pages [ [3]] do not list a specific bhp figure for the 12PTM diesels but similar engines are listed and rated as between 500 and 600 bhp. My recollection is that they were 500 bhp each. If they had been rated at 1840 bhp each - as implied by saberwyn as in his revision of 05:07, 19 November 2009 - then for a ship of 1000 tons (nominal) you would be able to water ski behind it! Probably not as the bow doors would quickly breech. It might be that 1840 bhp is a total for all the four engines given that each pair of engines shared a single gear box.
Audemer ( talk) 23:16, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
From looking at previous contributions there still seems to be confusion about L4063 and L4063/HMS Jawada. One boat or two? Do you have any clues?
Audemer ( talk) 03:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
H. T. Lenton's British and Empire Warships has detailed tables concerning ordering, construction, cancellation, and disposal, which may be of use for future development of this article. In the edition cited in the article, this content is located on pages 484-7. -- saberwyn 13:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone resolve the issue of L4063 which seems to be named twice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.251.53 ( talk) 18:37, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
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I have undone this version of the article, because the additions were unsourced (which violates Wikipedia:Verifiability), and were written in the first person (which is discoraged per Wikipedia:Manual of Style#First-person pronouns).
I note that the article has been the subject of edit warring recently, which is never good for the encyclopedia. I am posting this message to the talk pages of the involved contributors, and hope that they come here to discuss the issue and come to a solution, instead of resorting to coninual back-and-forth in the article itself. -- saberwyn 08:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Although my Google-fu is weak, I've turned up a couple of possible sources that may be of use in expanding this article. Unfortunately, I do not have access to any of these (snippet view on Google Books, etc)...maybe someone can help?
One option for the development of this list might be to expand the scope into an actual article on the Mark 8 LCT, including the technical data, builders, 'class' operational history, etc. Of course, this would be dependant on finding reliable, published sources for this info. -- saberwyn 02:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Is that hp fig for all 4 diesels, or each? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 01:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
Copied from my talk page in an effort to centralise any future discussion:
I seem to have lit a banger in the back garden over the issue of Mark 8 Landing Craft Tank (British). I think it is really good that a number of you have now made positive contributions, rather than arguing about whether they were named after WW2 battles or WW2 amphibious landings. My suggestion therefore is, that rather than row about it, let us talk constructively. I served on 2 of these boats; so I do know what I am talking about. I intend to completely re-write the article shortly and I will submit my text to all of you for peer review and approval. Little did I know what controversy this item would cause when I first started it. My public e-mail address is Med.croft@virgin.net. Medcroft ( talk) 00:28, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps I should politely point out that the only person who has argued about anything on this page is yourself Medcroft. We have all been working on it constructively and made nothing but positive contributions since we started, and I hope that you now start to talk constructively and work with us without resorting to arguments (but this is not a good start). Each editor has his or her own reasons for editing an article and I’m afraid your service, while maybe giving you some experience, does not give you any extra authority.
You seem to think that a lot of our edits are (or have been) vandalism or otherwise unconstructive. Please realise we are trying to bring this article into line with basic wiki policies, and I urge you once again to have a look at some of the main ones; WP:MOS, WP:Verifiability and WP:Civil. You are most welcome to make edits to the page, but please be constructive and do not delete or adapt sourced material. If you do I will have no hesitation in contacting admins and you will likely receive warnings again. The gallery for this page is too big, as two users have pointed out to you already, and I will be shrinking it. Once again please respect Wikipedia policy on this matter.
If you intend to completely rewrite the article I would strongly recommend that you take the extremely well meant advice given to you some time back by Jackyd101, and create the new article at User:Medcroft/Sandbox. This way you can work on it in your own time without interference. When it is ready you can post a note here or on our talkpages giving us time to review it against Wikipedia’s standards, before it is uploaded into mainspace. In the meantime I will most likely be making further additions to this version of the article because it interests me (for reasons I have already explained to you). Once your version is ready we can work on integrating it with the information already here.
Once again Medcroft, please realise that we are not trying to usurp you, belittle your experience or otherwise antagonise you. Several editors have shown nothing but genuine efforts to help you out. Please respect that and understand that this is how Wikipedia works. Cheers, Ranger Steve ( talk) 10:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to query the relevance of the caption for the 'polaris missile' caption...specifically, the sentance stating that the vessel's pennant number is present on the ship's bell. There has been a bit of back-and-forth over this during the article's history. I don't think adding this to the caption is relevant because:
I am not dismissing the idea that this information would not be relevant in another context (for example, a future article on the vessel herself), but doubt the benefit of including this information here. What do others think...is this part of the caption relevant to this article? -- saberwyn 00:18, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Considering the image changes, I wish to clarify that I believe File:HMAV Abbeville (L4041) - At Rhu Hard - July 1977.jpg (the 'polaris missile' image) is the best one to illustrate the size of the LCT's tank deck, at article size, we have a measurable feature (the Polaris missile) to use as reference, and at full resolution, other measurable features (particularly, the people in and around the tank deck). My objection was only with referring to the ship's bell in the caption, as this had very little relevance to what the image was being used to illustrate. -- saberwyn 12:07, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Would anyone be able to better identify the "RASC/RCT corps history" recently added to the article as a source? Without more detailed bibliographic information (author and title at a minimum), it makes it hard to verify this source, and the information attributed to it may have to be removed. -- saberwyn 06:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:44, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 04:18, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 22:08, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 23:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking that having five links to the Pathé Newsreel website is a little excessive. According to the external links guideline, external links should only be included if they add to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject but can't be included in the text of the article because of copyright.
I'm not sure that linking out to five rich media pages on the same broad subject (newsreels showing the ships in action) adds much more in understanding than one, and requires that readers visit five 'rich' pages (while requiring the right plug-in and with the attendant problems with download limits/speeds associated with such media) in order to see...more of the same. -- saberwyn 12:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 22:08, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
The revision by IP 86.31.168.175 at 04:41, 10 April 2010 does seem reasonable. The Paxman History Pages [ [3]] do not list a specific bhp figure for the 12PTM diesels but similar engines are listed and rated as between 500 and 600 bhp. My recollection is that they were 500 bhp each. If they had been rated at 1840 bhp each - as implied by saberwyn as in his revision of 05:07, 19 November 2009 - then for a ship of 1000 tons (nominal) you would be able to water ski behind it! Probably not as the bow doors would quickly breech. It might be that 1840 bhp is a total for all the four engines given that each pair of engines shared a single gear box.
Audemer ( talk) 23:16, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Audemer ( talk) 03:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
From looking at previous contributions there still seems to be confusion about L4063 and L4063/HMS Jawada. One boat or two? Do you have any clues?
Audemer ( talk) 03:16, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
H. T. Lenton's British and Empire Warships has detailed tables concerning ordering, construction, cancellation, and disposal, which may be of use for future development of this article. In the edition cited in the article, this content is located on pages 484-7. -- saberwyn 13:26, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Can anyone resolve the issue of L4063 which seems to be named twice? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.251.53 ( talk) 18:37, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
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