This dispute is about whether or not to include lists of mini-games into articles about Mario Party. This RFC extends to:
On these articles, User:Henchman 2000 had been including lists of mini-games, stating that without them, the articles are less complete. User:RobJ1981 and others have argued that the list is listcruft and does not warrant inclusion in the article. See above for the discussion that ensued after I had locked the article from editing. Since that dispute was resolved, lists have began to appear on other Mario Party-related articles. The dispute continued on to this point, where I had protected nearly all of them. I would like to see that this gets resolved as soon as possible. — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 11:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
My opinion on the matter is this: similar to Geoff B, NO Lists; some prose would be acceptable. Such lists are not meant for wikipedia. However, on this note, other pages similar to this must also take a hint. By that I refer to: Crash Tag Team Racing, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Sonic Shuffle, Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz (resolved but can be expanded on) and many other pages that feature mini-games. Knuckles sonic8 17:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying that Wikipedia is GameFAQs, anyway, a few articles having mini game lists doesn't make wikipedia look like GameFAQs. I'm saying that a list is more appropriate content for these articles because it gives us more information about the game, and an encyclopedia is supposed to give detailed information. These examples are nothing worth fighting about and no matter what anyone says, RobJ will not listen, oh and why would anyone want to change the examples? Changing examples is the last thing that someone would think of doing, even to vandalise an article. I am not saying that I disagree with the paragraphs, after all, I wrote them. I am saying why couldn't you just leave the articles alone? NO one's ever seen anything wrong with them until recently. The articles were just as good with the mini game lists than they are without them. While I do agree with these paragraphs I would prefer the mini game lists as they give a more detailed account of the game, which is what an encyclopedia should do. Henchman 2000 15:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Henchman. First of all, it said that the articles required cleanup not mass blanking of all lists that were bigger than barely existent. RobJ just took the easy way out by deleting it immediately rather than trying to acheive consensus or shortening some of those really long descriptions. Secondly, hear are my answers to what it said on the listcruft page to these lists:
Don't you think that it would have been deleted before now if this was the case?
If someone saw RobJ's sentence of "There are a number of minigames in Mario Party Whatever" they would want to know what they were.
If it was, it would have been on the talk pages before now
Mini-games are a key part of Mario Parties and are verified.
None of the articles were above the recommended size as explained by WP:SIZE.
It could have a category/article, but RobJ won't let it happen.
People would expect key elements of CVGs to be explained thourouly in an encyclopedia. And why are the pages protected? This is unnecessary as there is no edit wars going on in the articles. Bowsy 16:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
@Bowsy - I don't think it was Robj who deleted the list.
And why are the pages protected? This is unnecessary as there is no edit wars going on in the articles. - There most definitely would be an edit war going on if the pages were not protected. It's a wise decision which stimulated discussion. Geoff B 16:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Here is my opinion: a comprehensive article about Mario Party 8; heck, any Mario Party article, not only lists but describes the games through prose. The problem is, there's no reliable source that would list the myriad of the minigames (there are 70 new ones, and I'm assuming they're being added on to previous ones). — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 22:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I meant minigames when I said "they" could have a category/article. Bowsy 18:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I have read WP:TRIV and it states nothing against a page on mini game lists. Henchman 2000 18:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The good thing is that we have some beliefs about minigames-list-vs.-no-minigames-list, however it looks like we're on the road to nowhere here so we need to get something accomplished from this. How could we resolve this dispute? — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 12:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe we could make a page on the minigames in the Mario Party series. Bowsy 19:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
That would just be defying Wikipedia standards. I made the same mistake for making a page of mini-games for the Monkey Ball series and a page for all the cards found in Sonic Rivals. The same rules apply. Knuckles sonic8 21:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a good thing that the only strict rules for pages are that content must be verifiable and not breaching copyright, which the lists comply with, isn't it? Bowsy 19:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
You will need a compromise if you ever want to get rid of me. Henchman 2000 14:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. That being said, who would like to take a stab at doing proses? Knuckles sonic8 22:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I would also like to help doing prose for the other articles. Oh, and do you think I did a good job with the current paragraphs? Henchman 2000 19:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't mind people editing what I have written as long as they can justify it. You can't justify why you are removing the examples. Henchman 2000 18:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The argument is pretty much over but why don't you just put a link to some other website that has a list of minigames so if people want to see them, they can. DarthJango42 23:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Why not? Henchman 2000 09:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Good idea, I was thinking of that myself. Henchman 2000 13:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
If nothing else can be done, this would do. However, our argument is backed by WikiProject Nintendo's aim to build a "comprehensive and detailed guide" and Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. Bowsy 14:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
People would have taken these steps (ie. deleting the list) if it really was listcruft. These lists have been there for years and none have objected. Please also see the part of Talk:Mario Party 5 about minigames as on it another user says it seems like "perfectly reasonable content for an article". This has gotten out of hand and I am taking no further part in this. Just think about the following things:
Bowsy 19:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
How do you know that the lists aren't coming back? I could easily go and make a page on them right now and you would be powerless to stop me! Don't assume the lists aren't coming back just because it doesn't look likely at the moment. Henchman 2000 09:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC) And anyone cannot just create a game site. Henchman 2000 09:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Remember that while a list of all them (there's a lot of them) would constitute listcruft, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be covered. — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 23:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I said I was dropping out of this but I think I'll just drop one more comment on this issue. A prose provides a very quick summary, half-hearted content for an encycopedia, really, while the list or even just some examples gives the reader a fair idea as to the minigames in the game. It's more encyclopedic for you to know everything because people buy encyclopedias because they contain everything in one place. Bowsy 09:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree messedrocker, mini games need covered. Apart from prose, how else do you think we can cover them, or should we just ignore RobJ, as he is only getting in the way of making a good article, and discuss this issue in private? Henchman 2000 09:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't class this as a personal attack. I was suggesting that Messedrocker and I discuss this in private as we are getting no -where trying to work with you. Sorry if you considered it a personal attack. Henchman 2000 13:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
No personal attacks please. I have just read the NPA policy and what I put does qualify as a personal attack, so sorry RobJ, but you, Geoff B also tried to leave me out so you have personally attacked me, you will find a warning on your talk page. Oh, and we have not established a consensus as ALL must agree, Bowsy and I don't. We are getting somewhere working with me and I WILL NOT be ignored! Henchman 2000 19:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Henchman, I insist that you focus on the issue on hand, and not how Robj is a jerk. That matter is irrelevant and we will not get anywhere if you keep saying users are this and that. In any case, this is what I need: reliable sources that document the mini-games in Mario Party 8. Let's go out and find them! — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 17:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll try and find some more. Henchman 2000 19:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
You're ringht McKay, this is what I have been trying to tell RobJ all along about this list. It has many sources and can be written in an encyclopedic manner, as can the other lists. WE should start the article as there are some more mini games in some of the external links which may have gone unnoticed. Henchman 2000 09:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Ther we are. All done. Speedily delete it if your still so biased against it. Bowsy ( review me!) 09:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Finally, this edit war looks like it is well and truly over. Thanks Bowsy and Messedrocker for really helping out. Henchman 2000 11:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
RobJ, if you want this edit war over, get an admin to speedy keep the pages conserned with this unnecesary Afd. If you don't, once again, we will be getting no-where. Henchman 2000 19:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
What treat are you talking about? If it's about RobJ's talk page, I couldn't see any clear evidence of a consensus against a sentence of examples, only a list of mini games. Henchman 2000 09:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
uhh im not sure where to put this or how to or watever, but its a minigames game!!!! the first thing you look at is the minigames, not the storyline, not the new items, not the chars...the minigames!!!! you dont buy a minigames game without looking at the minigames to get a idea of if its any good, though previews do it better then writing its still good to have a list, like with some minigames games were they just have countless of the near same minigame ie catch 1 catch 2 catch 3 catch 4 catch 5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.151.198 ( talk • contribs)
This threat:RobJ, if you want this edit war over, get an admin to speedy keep the pages conserned with this unnecesary Afd. If you don't, once again, we will be getting no-where. Consensus has been established. Like the consensus that was established before, which you also ignored, it is for the minigames to receive a treatment in prose, not a list. A sentence of examples is a list, just laid out like a sentence. There is a clear consensus for this article, and it's been explained to you many times. Please don't threaten to continue an edit war on this article because another article is up for deletion. Please don't ignore consensus. Geoff B 16:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Geoff B, on this talk page, I think we have established a clear consensus for the mini games. Bowsy, McKay, perhaps Messedrocker and I all agree that the mnin games should be here and have strong arguments to back us up. You and RobJ, however, are in a minority and have very weak arguments. Henchman 2000 09:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, you will be in for a shock. I am not trying to reverse a consensus. I am using evidence to make a new one. Obviously, this discussion says there is a consensus for the mini games. You and RobJ are outvoted and outmatched. I have had to accept the cosensus against the mini games, it is your turn to accept a consensus for the mini games. Henchman 2000 11:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
The page was protected over this issue
This time, the edit war is over the release date! To streamline it, I'm going to divide the conversation into two parts: March 5 and To Be Announced, where you can discuss the validity of each date. Feel free to add subsections for third options, fourth options, etc. — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 11:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I think MessedRocker locked it, and he knows the situation, having been involved in it for quite a while. Making demands, by the way, will probably get you nowhere. At the moment, the prose states Q2, and the infobox says March 5th. Geoff B 17:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah, right. I believe this was instigated because it's WP's policy (IIRC) to communicate about such disagreements in the hope of coming to an understanding instead of just reverting back and forth continually. There are, obviously, some editors who feel that March 5th is the correct release date, and this would be the ideal place to present their sources and arguments. Geoff B 19:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Amazon is now giving a date of 30 Jun :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.244.215.51 ( talk • contribs)
ALSO, I've officially received an email from Nintendo telling me personally the official date is Q2 2007, after asking them. I apologize for earlier on thinking it was March fifth. If proof need be shown, I can do that. King Gamer28 00:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=WnjIJm5FSwjb8m39oUzkZvIqkRXZ6F-I
Clearly, they state it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.226.227.225 ( talk) 02:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
The game will be released on March 5, 2007. Both sites the guy above gave(
http://wii.nintendo.com/software_mp8.jsp and
http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=WnjIJm5FSwjb8m39oUzkZvIqkRXZ6F-I) said March 5 along with my latest issue of Nintendo Power (March 2007). It had a full length article on Mario Party 8, discussing the many aspects of the game.
Nickm717
23:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
proposed text feel free to edit this section
|released={{flagicon|USA}} Q2 [[2007]]<!-- Do not change this to 5 March without first consulting the talk page. --> [[2007]]<br/>
I didn't put a source in because I couldn't find a reliable one, but I didn't look very hard. Feel free to add it. I feel somewhat responsible as the page was protected after I made the change, this text would have deterred me (I'm not sure about everyone else) McKay 07:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Do any of you people have proof this game's release is in Q2. On Nintendo's website it says March 5, 2007.
SuperMarioGamer
20:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I went down to my local GAME store to check and they had it in their upcoming games book as March 30. Bowsy 14:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
http://wii.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=9075 Pretty reliable source. Feel free to change back if you don't see suited but most of us can guess that it is Summer. Nickm717 22:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here's how I see the issue:
Questions? If you want, I can present a plethora of sources that support my conclusion. Saying that "some store" says that it will be released on 5 March is WP:OR and is probably using older informataion. I also can show stores that show it being released Q2 (or give an estimated date near the beginning or the end of Q2, like Amazon, EB, Gamestop...), so it will take more information than that. McKay 06:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand, why does it say that it will be the tenth game in the series and the eleventh in Japan. Obviously Mario Party 8 is the 8th game everywhere in the world! 74.112.91.185 14:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I believe that Arcade one was developed by Capcom, but it still doesn't really matter. They're all apart of the Mario Party series. Hardcore gamer 48 08:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
The blooper is a squid, how do you play as a squid when everyone else is a human. Besides, don't bloopers only have 2 limbs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pikazilla ( talk • contribs) 12:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC).
Bloopers have WAY more than two limbs, and if you really want to know, ask Nintendo, they'll know because I doubt you'll find an answer on Wikipedia. Bowsy ( review me!) 19:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Yoshi isn't human. Toad isn't human. Boo isn't human; and it only has two limbs. It's entirely possible to make Blooper a playable character if you can make Boo one. Blooper could use two of it's tentacles for arms if need be. Hardcore gamer 48 09:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. It's not unheard of. Bowsy ( review me!) 19:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Toad is human like mario and others,don't you see the skin of toad (To Hardcore gamer 48) Wfmp time, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I know, and in Super Mario 64 DS a toad says, "It's enough to drive a fungus insane.", so that obviously means he isn't a human. Henchman 2000 19:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Let's rephrase it, How do you play as a non humoniod character? Pikazilla 11:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
is Mario Party8 going to come out in australia? they've removed australia from the main page so i was just wondering —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.151.198 ( talk) 13:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC).
Don't worry, I'm positive it will. I honestly have no idea why Australia was removed from the page; I'm going to re-add it now. Also, a question: any confirmation that MP8 will be rated "G" from the OFLC? I'd have thought it would be "PG"... Hardcore gamer 48 06:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that the official date of release for Mario Party 8 is infact June 1st. I have done a lot of reserch through GameSpot and Nintendo Power. Im going to change it from Q2 to the date of June 1st. And also can some one help me with user boxes for my page I know this is un-related but i need help!
Robert Coombs 23:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Robert Coombs (February, 27th 2007)
With so many more playable characters being added, in a few more games in the series, there probably won't there not be enough non-playable characters to be featured in the minigames and on the board. If blooper is a character, most likely soon shy guys, goombas, koopas, cheepcheeps etc., will be soon as well and they'll have to do weird things like how they made all non-playable boos pink. Anyquestions 23:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, I changed the release date, because on Nintendo's website, it says that the release date is March 5th, 2007.
Thanks. Anyquestions (UTC)
It says May 28 2007 on GameSpot Wfmp Time, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
As of tomorrow (March 5th) we will all finnaly know exactly when its coming out! of course by now i hope you all agree that March 5th cant be the real date. but hopefully this will end the war and give some more reason as to why most realese dates are inaccurate. Miked54321 10:06, March 4 2007 (EST)
Nintendo.com changed the release date to Q2. http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=WnjIJm5FSwjb8m39oUzkZvIqkRXZ6F-I Thusly, the article should be changed to say Q2 and that the game has not been released yet. 71.176.150.229 04:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
May 28 2007 is now the date of Mario Party 8 which is like Q2 but this site says May 29 2007 which is not.MAY 29 2007. Wfmp Time, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Nintendo has sent a message to Kotaku saying May 29 for Mario Party 8, wooo!: http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/horror-story-wii-ds-release-schedule-242474.php 154.5.85.250 09:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The Nintendo website still says Q2. Should the date of the letter be used or the company's official website's date? 71.176.152.167 22:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
My local EB games says theyre getting shipments today, and are putting it on sale either tomorrow or late tonight.
I have reverted the date back from April 2007 to TBA 2007 as nintendo.com does not verify this and says TBA. The following is the Spain Nintendo website: http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/es/ES/games/gamepage.do?ElementId=TJ-A3_rZnDkql-iIuGhXpaKTnbTy7xrl. Iamtall47 23:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
First of all, they're all from the same link: Australian IGN. 2nd of all IGN only cares about the american release dates. They give 12/31 release dates to Japan, Australia and Europe. Please get rid of the December 31 release dates for Japan, Europe and Australia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperNESPlayer ( talk • contribs) 15:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
How long did THAT take? Anyway, new screens for all of you to enjoy revealing new mini-games. http://media.wii.ign.com/media/853/853824/imgs_1.html
That boo game works just like Mansion Patrol from Super Paper Mario. Knuckles sonic8 19:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone found any info on the Australia or European Realease dates yet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.81.132 ( talk) 14:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
I redirect "MP8" here? It's doesn't redirect to any article when I tried it out. magiciandude ( Talk) ( review) 16:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
YEs, I purchased it yesterday, so I will be more thsn hsppy to update things ( Talk) 15:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This article seems to be suffering from having too many lists. I've removed the unencyclopedic list of team names, I think the candy list should go to. The board list is pushing it. All of this seems non-encyclopedic. Any thoughts? McKay 21:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This dispute is about whether or not to include lists of mini-games into articles about Mario Party. This RFC extends to:
On these articles, User:Henchman 2000 had been including lists of mini-games, stating that without them, the articles are less complete. User:RobJ1981 and others have argued that the list is listcruft and does not warrant inclusion in the article. See above for the discussion that ensued after I had locked the article from editing. Since that dispute was resolved, lists have began to appear on other Mario Party-related articles. The dispute continued on to this point, where I had protected nearly all of them. I would like to see that this gets resolved as soon as possible. — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 11:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
My opinion on the matter is this: similar to Geoff B, NO Lists; some prose would be acceptable. Such lists are not meant for wikipedia. However, on this note, other pages similar to this must also take a hint. By that I refer to: Crash Tag Team Racing, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Sonic Shuffle, Super Monkey Ball Banana Blitz (resolved but can be expanded on) and many other pages that feature mini-games. Knuckles sonic8 17:02, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm not saying that Wikipedia is GameFAQs, anyway, a few articles having mini game lists doesn't make wikipedia look like GameFAQs. I'm saying that a list is more appropriate content for these articles because it gives us more information about the game, and an encyclopedia is supposed to give detailed information. These examples are nothing worth fighting about and no matter what anyone says, RobJ will not listen, oh and why would anyone want to change the examples? Changing examples is the last thing that someone would think of doing, even to vandalise an article. I am not saying that I disagree with the paragraphs, after all, I wrote them. I am saying why couldn't you just leave the articles alone? NO one's ever seen anything wrong with them until recently. The articles were just as good with the mini game lists than they are without them. While I do agree with these paragraphs I would prefer the mini game lists as they give a more detailed account of the game, which is what an encyclopedia should do. Henchman 2000 15:56, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Henchman. First of all, it said that the articles required cleanup not mass blanking of all lists that were bigger than barely existent. RobJ just took the easy way out by deleting it immediately rather than trying to acheive consensus or shortening some of those really long descriptions. Secondly, hear are my answers to what it said on the listcruft page to these lists:
Don't you think that it would have been deleted before now if this was the case?
If someone saw RobJ's sentence of "There are a number of minigames in Mario Party Whatever" they would want to know what they were.
If it was, it would have been on the talk pages before now
Mini-games are a key part of Mario Parties and are verified.
None of the articles were above the recommended size as explained by WP:SIZE.
It could have a category/article, but RobJ won't let it happen.
People would expect key elements of CVGs to be explained thourouly in an encyclopedia. And why are the pages protected? This is unnecessary as there is no edit wars going on in the articles. Bowsy 16:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
@Bowsy - I don't think it was Robj who deleted the list.
And why are the pages protected? This is unnecessary as there is no edit wars going on in the articles. - There most definitely would be an edit war going on if the pages were not protected. It's a wise decision which stimulated discussion. Geoff B 16:40, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Here is my opinion: a comprehensive article about Mario Party 8; heck, any Mario Party article, not only lists but describes the games through prose. The problem is, there's no reliable source that would list the myriad of the minigames (there are 70 new ones, and I'm assuming they're being added on to previous ones). — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 22:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
I meant minigames when I said "they" could have a category/article. Bowsy 18:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I have read WP:TRIV and it states nothing against a page on mini game lists. Henchman 2000 18:45, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
The good thing is that we have some beliefs about minigames-list-vs.-no-minigames-list, however it looks like we're on the road to nowhere here so we need to get something accomplished from this. How could we resolve this dispute? — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 12:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Maybe we could make a page on the minigames in the Mario Party series. Bowsy 19:01, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
That would just be defying Wikipedia standards. I made the same mistake for making a page of mini-games for the Monkey Ball series and a page for all the cards found in Sonic Rivals. The same rules apply. Knuckles sonic8 21:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a good thing that the only strict rules for pages are that content must be verifiable and not breaching copyright, which the lists comply with, isn't it? Bowsy 19:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
You will need a compromise if you ever want to get rid of me. Henchman 2000 14:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Indeed. That being said, who would like to take a stab at doing proses? Knuckles sonic8 22:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I would also like to help doing prose for the other articles. Oh, and do you think I did a good job with the current paragraphs? Henchman 2000 19:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't mind people editing what I have written as long as they can justify it. You can't justify why you are removing the examples. Henchman 2000 18:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The argument is pretty much over but why don't you just put a link to some other website that has a list of minigames so if people want to see them, they can. DarthJango42 23:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Why not? Henchman 2000 09:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Good idea, I was thinking of that myself. Henchman 2000 13:58, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
If nothing else can be done, this would do. However, our argument is backed by WikiProject Nintendo's aim to build a "comprehensive and detailed guide" and Wikipedia as an encyclopedia. Bowsy 14:55, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
People would have taken these steps (ie. deleting the list) if it really was listcruft. These lists have been there for years and none have objected. Please also see the part of Talk:Mario Party 5 about minigames as on it another user says it seems like "perfectly reasonable content for an article". This has gotten out of hand and I am taking no further part in this. Just think about the following things:
Bowsy 19:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
How do you know that the lists aren't coming back? I could easily go and make a page on them right now and you would be powerless to stop me! Don't assume the lists aren't coming back just because it doesn't look likely at the moment. Henchman 2000 09:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC) And anyone cannot just create a game site. Henchman 2000 09:12, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Remember that while a list of all them (there's a lot of them) would constitute listcruft, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be covered. — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 23:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I said I was dropping out of this but I think I'll just drop one more comment on this issue. A prose provides a very quick summary, half-hearted content for an encycopedia, really, while the list or even just some examples gives the reader a fair idea as to the minigames in the game. It's more encyclopedic for you to know everything because people buy encyclopedias because they contain everything in one place. Bowsy 09:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I agree messedrocker, mini games need covered. Apart from prose, how else do you think we can cover them, or should we just ignore RobJ, as he is only getting in the way of making a good article, and discuss this issue in private? Henchman 2000 09:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I wouldn't class this as a personal attack. I was suggesting that Messedrocker and I discuss this in private as we are getting no -where trying to work with you. Sorry if you considered it a personal attack. Henchman 2000 13:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
No personal attacks please. I have just read the NPA policy and what I put does qualify as a personal attack, so sorry RobJ, but you, Geoff B also tried to leave me out so you have personally attacked me, you will find a warning on your talk page. Oh, and we have not established a consensus as ALL must agree, Bowsy and I don't. We are getting somewhere working with me and I WILL NOT be ignored! Henchman 2000 19:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Henchman, I insist that you focus on the issue on hand, and not how Robj is a jerk. That matter is irrelevant and we will not get anywhere if you keep saying users are this and that. In any case, this is what I need: reliable sources that document the mini-games in Mario Party 8. Let's go out and find them! — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 17:57, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I'll try and find some more. Henchman 2000 19:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
You're ringht McKay, this is what I have been trying to tell RobJ all along about this list. It has many sources and can be written in an encyclopedic manner, as can the other lists. WE should start the article as there are some more mini games in some of the external links which may have gone unnoticed. Henchman 2000 09:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Ther we are. All done. Speedily delete it if your still so biased against it. Bowsy ( review me!) 09:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Finally, this edit war looks like it is well and truly over. Thanks Bowsy and Messedrocker for really helping out. Henchman 2000 11:15, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
RobJ, if you want this edit war over, get an admin to speedy keep the pages conserned with this unnecesary Afd. If you don't, once again, we will be getting no-where. Henchman 2000 19:36, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
What treat are you talking about? If it's about RobJ's talk page, I couldn't see any clear evidence of a consensus against a sentence of examples, only a list of mini games. Henchman 2000 09:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
uhh im not sure where to put this or how to or watever, but its a minigames game!!!! the first thing you look at is the minigames, not the storyline, not the new items, not the chars...the minigames!!!! you dont buy a minigames game without looking at the minigames to get a idea of if its any good, though previews do it better then writing its still good to have a list, like with some minigames games were they just have countless of the near same minigame ie catch 1 catch 2 catch 3 catch 4 catch 5 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.151.198 ( talk • contribs)
This threat:RobJ, if you want this edit war over, get an admin to speedy keep the pages conserned with this unnecesary Afd. If you don't, once again, we will be getting no-where. Consensus has been established. Like the consensus that was established before, which you also ignored, it is for the minigames to receive a treatment in prose, not a list. A sentence of examples is a list, just laid out like a sentence. There is a clear consensus for this article, and it's been explained to you many times. Please don't threaten to continue an edit war on this article because another article is up for deletion. Please don't ignore consensus. Geoff B 16:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Geoff B, on this talk page, I think we have established a clear consensus for the mini games. Bowsy, McKay, perhaps Messedrocker and I all agree that the mnin games should be here and have strong arguments to back us up. You and RobJ, however, are in a minority and have very weak arguments. Henchman 2000 09:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm sorry, you will be in for a shock. I am not trying to reverse a consensus. I am using evidence to make a new one. Obviously, this discussion says there is a consensus for the mini games. You and RobJ are outvoted and outmatched. I have had to accept the cosensus against the mini games, it is your turn to accept a consensus for the mini games. Henchman 2000 11:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
The page was protected over this issue
This time, the edit war is over the release date! To streamline it, I'm going to divide the conversation into two parts: March 5 and To Be Announced, where you can discuss the validity of each date. Feel free to add subsections for third options, fourth options, etc. — Signed, your friendly neighborhood MessedRocker. 11:11, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I think MessedRocker locked it, and he knows the situation, having been involved in it for quite a while. Making demands, by the way, will probably get you nowhere. At the moment, the prose states Q2, and the infobox says March 5th. Geoff B 17:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah, right. I believe this was instigated because it's WP's policy (IIRC) to communicate about such disagreements in the hope of coming to an understanding instead of just reverting back and forth continually. There are, obviously, some editors who feel that March 5th is the correct release date, and this would be the ideal place to present their sources and arguments. Geoff B 19:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Amazon is now giving a date of 30 Jun :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.244.215.51 ( talk • contribs)
ALSO, I've officially received an email from Nintendo telling me personally the official date is Q2 2007, after asking them. I apologize for earlier on thinking it was March fifth. If proof need be shown, I can do that. King Gamer28 00:06, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=WnjIJm5FSwjb8m39oUzkZvIqkRXZ6F-I
Clearly, they state it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.226.227.225 ( talk) 02:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC).
The game will be released on March 5, 2007. Both sites the guy above gave(
http://wii.nintendo.com/software_mp8.jsp and
http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=WnjIJm5FSwjb8m39oUzkZvIqkRXZ6F-I) said March 5 along with my latest issue of Nintendo Power (March 2007). It had a full length article on Mario Party 8, discussing the many aspects of the game.
Nickm717
23:15, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
proposed text feel free to edit this section
|released={{flagicon|USA}} Q2 [[2007]]<!-- Do not change this to 5 March without first consulting the talk page. --> [[2007]]<br/>
I didn't put a source in because I couldn't find a reliable one, but I didn't look very hard. Feel free to add it. I feel somewhat responsible as the page was protected after I made the change, this text would have deterred me (I'm not sure about everyone else) McKay 07:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Do any of you people have proof this game's release is in Q2. On Nintendo's website it says March 5, 2007.
SuperMarioGamer
20:46, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I went down to my local GAME store to check and they had it in their upcoming games book as March 30. Bowsy 14:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
http://wii.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=9075 Pretty reliable source. Feel free to change back if you don't see suited but most of us can guess that it is Summer. Nickm717 22:24, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Okay, here's how I see the issue:
Questions? If you want, I can present a plethora of sources that support my conclusion. Saying that "some store" says that it will be released on 5 March is WP:OR and is probably using older informataion. I also can show stores that show it being released Q2 (or give an estimated date near the beginning or the end of Q2, like Amazon, EB, Gamestop...), so it will take more information than that. McKay 06:20, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand, why does it say that it will be the tenth game in the series and the eleventh in Japan. Obviously Mario Party 8 is the 8th game everywhere in the world! 74.112.91.185 14:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I believe that Arcade one was developed by Capcom, but it still doesn't really matter. They're all apart of the Mario Party series. Hardcore gamer 48 08:49, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
The blooper is a squid, how do you play as a squid when everyone else is a human. Besides, don't bloopers only have 2 limbs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pikazilla ( talk • contribs) 12:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC).
Bloopers have WAY more than two limbs, and if you really want to know, ask Nintendo, they'll know because I doubt you'll find an answer on Wikipedia. Bowsy ( review me!) 19:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Yoshi isn't human. Toad isn't human. Boo isn't human; and it only has two limbs. It's entirely possible to make Blooper a playable character if you can make Boo one. Blooper could use two of it's tentacles for arms if need be. Hardcore gamer 48 09:18, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
Exactly. It's not unheard of. Bowsy ( review me!) 19:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Toad is human like mario and others,don't you see the skin of toad (To Hardcore gamer 48) Wfmp time, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
I know, and in Super Mario 64 DS a toad says, "It's enough to drive a fungus insane.", so that obviously means he isn't a human. Henchman 2000 19:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Let's rephrase it, How do you play as a non humoniod character? Pikazilla 11:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
is Mario Party8 going to come out in australia? they've removed australia from the main page so i was just wondering —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.151.198 ( talk) 13:23, 22 February 2007 (UTC).
Don't worry, I'm positive it will. I honestly have no idea why Australia was removed from the page; I'm going to re-add it now. Also, a question: any confirmation that MP8 will be rated "G" from the OFLC? I'd have thought it would be "PG"... Hardcore gamer 48 06:57, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It has come to my attention that the official date of release for Mario Party 8 is infact June 1st. I have done a lot of reserch through GameSpot and Nintendo Power. Im going to change it from Q2 to the date of June 1st. And also can some one help me with user boxes for my page I know this is un-related but i need help!
Robert Coombs 23:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)Robert Coombs (February, 27th 2007)
With so many more playable characters being added, in a few more games in the series, there probably won't there not be enough non-playable characters to be featured in the minigames and on the board. If blooper is a character, most likely soon shy guys, goombas, koopas, cheepcheeps etc., will be soon as well and they'll have to do weird things like how they made all non-playable boos pink. Anyquestions 23:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, I changed the release date, because on Nintendo's website, it says that the release date is March 5th, 2007.
Thanks. Anyquestions (UTC)
It says May 28 2007 on GameSpot Wfmp Time, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
As of tomorrow (March 5th) we will all finnaly know exactly when its coming out! of course by now i hope you all agree that March 5th cant be the real date. but hopefully this will end the war and give some more reason as to why most realese dates are inaccurate. Miked54321 10:06, March 4 2007 (EST)
Nintendo.com changed the release date to Q2. http://www.nintendo.com/gamemini?gameid=WnjIJm5FSwjb8m39oUzkZvIqkRXZ6F-I Thusly, the article should be changed to say Q2 and that the game has not been released yet. 71.176.150.229 04:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
May 28 2007 is now the date of Mario Party 8 which is like Q2 but this site says May 29 2007 which is not.MAY 29 2007. Wfmp Time, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Nintendo has sent a message to Kotaku saying May 29 for Mario Party 8, wooo!: http://kotaku.com/gaming/wii/horror-story-wii-ds-release-schedule-242474.php 154.5.85.250 09:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The Nintendo website still says Q2. Should the date of the letter be used or the company's official website's date? 71.176.152.167 22:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
My local EB games says theyre getting shipments today, and are putting it on sale either tomorrow or late tonight.
I have reverted the date back from April 2007 to TBA 2007 as nintendo.com does not verify this and says TBA. The following is the Spain Nintendo website: http://www.nintendo-europe.com/NOE/es/ES/games/gamepage.do?ElementId=TJ-A3_rZnDkql-iIuGhXpaKTnbTy7xrl. Iamtall47 23:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
First of all, they're all from the same link: Australian IGN. 2nd of all IGN only cares about the american release dates. They give 12/31 release dates to Japan, Australia and Europe. Please get rid of the December 31 release dates for Japan, Europe and Australia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SuperNESPlayer ( talk • contribs) 15:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC).
How long did THAT take? Anyway, new screens for all of you to enjoy revealing new mini-games. http://media.wii.ign.com/media/853/853824/imgs_1.html
That boo game works just like Mansion Patrol from Super Paper Mario. Knuckles sonic8 19:39, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone found any info on the Australia or European Realease dates yet? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.81.132 ( talk) 14:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC).
I redirect "MP8" here? It's doesn't redirect to any article when I tried it out. magiciandude ( Talk) ( review) 16:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
YEs, I purchased it yesterday, so I will be more thsn hsppy to update things ( Talk) 15:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This article seems to be suffering from having too many lists. I've removed the unencyclopedic list of team names, I think the candy list should go to. The board list is pushing it. All of this seems non-encyclopedic. Any thoughts? McKay 21:42, 30 May 2007 (UTC)