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Mario Monti has NEVER been voted by anybody in regular elections. This is A FACT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.45.225.13 ( talk) 02:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
He is a fascist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.94.46.181 ( talk) 13:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC) As of now, Monti has not taken office as prime minister. While it appears likely he will, please do not list him as prime minister before it is official. Mrfeek ( talk) 21:30, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Intro: should't it say "asked by the President of the Republic"? I know it is mentioned in the article, but simply say that he was asked to become the PM seems a bit general to me... Luzz ( talk) 23:02, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I would like to point out that Egyptology is not an interest, but an Academic Degree; it it thus incorrect to state that Monti is an Egyptologist. He is rather a person interested in Egyptology or in ancient Egypt. Daniele Salvoldi, Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Egyptologist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.34.76.198 ( talk) 14:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Different graduate study programs fall under this headline (for example, M.A. or Ph.D.). It would be helpful to document which type of studies Mr. Monti pursued. The Italian page reports a similarly vague statement. I will cross-post this comment there, in case.
Fdm07 ( talk) 14:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Fdm07 ( talk) 16:48, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
About Mario Monti. He is now the new PM of Italy . Source: La Stampa "19.49 - Napolitano conferisce l'incarico a Monti l termine di un incontro durato esattamente 45 minuti, Giorgio Napolitano ha conferito a Mario Monti l’incarico per formare il Governo. L’annuncio viene dato dal segretario generale della Presidenza della Repubblica, Donato Marra. Come di prassi Marra esce nel corridoio dalla Vetrata e legge il comunicato (sempre lo stesso, crisi dopo crisi, in cui cambiano solo i nomi) e spiega che il Presidente della Repubblica ha affidato l’incarico al Senatore a vita. Questi ha accettato con riserva. Fra poco rilascerà alcune dichiarazioni. Interverrà anche Napolitano, successivamente." http://www3.lastampa.it/politica/sezioni/articolo/lstp/429582/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elyasid ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
To clarify: If someone (eg Monti) who has been charged/designated (incaricato) by the President to form a government fails to do so, as sometimes happens, that person will not be considered as having served as PM. So the difference is real.--
MistyMorn (
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I've just changed "PM Designate" to PM, based on a live report by the BBC News Channel supposedly showing Monti "being sworn in". However, Italian sources show the ceremony planned for 5 pm local time later on today. Seeing the presence other good faith edits following my own, I thought it better not to revert my mistake for the sake of just 3 hours technical innacuracy: Monti NOW is clearly the new PM.-- MistyMorn ( talk) 13:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Greetings ... admittedly I don't normally edit this article, or very many about politicians for that matter. However, a user added a link to Mario Monti from the article for Super Mario Bros., apparently because Mr. Monti is commonly called "Super Mario" in the world press, as evidenced here, here and here. I have since revised that reference to add Mr. Monti's name to the list of individuals called "Super Mario" and was wondering if a reference to his nickname should be added here as well. I may go ahead and be bold and add the info, but I also wanted to open discussion on it in case regular editors have issues about this being added. -- McDoob AU 93 00:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I've tried to fill in a little more info about Monti's father, who was born in Varese, emigrated to Argentina during the war, but then returned to his family house in Varese. I've removed the Italian Argentine WL, given that Monti's father does not strictly fit the WP article definition of "a person born in Argentina of Italian ancestry".-- MistyMorn ( talk) 10:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
His father was born in Lujan, Argentina. http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1423104-mario-monti-el-sucesor-de-berlusconi-es-hijo-de-un-argentino — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.225.125.21 ( talk) 23:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
The appointment of Monti didn't not follow any democratic process; it was a form of peaceful coup organised by the EU. Anyone got time to put together a few sources from the (admittely few) media outlets which have noticed this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.146.215.109 ( talk) 18:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
He was elected by nobody. This is not a consipracy theory and use of that term is designed to close don't debate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.246.91.205 ( talk) 16:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
The fact that he is an international adviser to Goldman Sachs and Coca Cola is mentioned twice in the article - it sounds redundant and overstressed - my suggestion is to remove it from the intro. -- Itemirus Message me! 07:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Fat&Happy has placed a tag pointing out that the ref provided doesn't mention Monti. This prompted me to have a google around: all the references I could find—irrespective of language—seem to to stem from Wikipedia... Oh Mummia Mia! I trust this wasn't just some vandal's idea of a joke.-- MistyMorn ( talk) 22:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the date at the end of the first sentence of the lede on the grounds that it is redundant and, at least in British English, ungrammatical. The current version seems to me to be in keeping in keeping with MOS and broadly similar to the lede for David Cameron, an article which has achieved GA status. However, user Everyking believes that the date on which Monti became PM is an important component of the opening sentence. We have basically agreed to disagree: the discussion can be found on our respective Talk pages, here and here. Any other views, I wonder, on how to improve the lede?-- MistyMorn ( talk) 15:38, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I've rephrased the lede to shift the emphasis to his position as Italian Prime Minister. The style used follows that for other current major world leaders on wiki. Connolly15 ( talk) 14:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Consensus to remove sources tag on the article? Otherwise, please point to statements which require sources... I can't see anymore! Thanks! Connolly15 ( talk) 13:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Can we please have a discussion on the use of the term technocracy in this article? The main problem is that if you read the technocracy article it obviously does not fit with the situation in Italy (also see the talk page). I appreciate the media has been referring to the government as a technocratic government essentially because they are "experts in their fields" rather than elected officials (this by definition is not a technocracy anyway). However, Lucas Papademos's government (also described as a technocrat in the media) is being described as a national unity government on wikipedia. I would argue this is more appropriate description of the situation in Italy as well - all the Italian political parties (except Lega Nord) are supporting the Monti cabinet through parliamentary votes of confidence and Monti's cabinet has been created to deal with a "national emergency". Monti also regularly meets with and consults the political party leadership on all sides before decisions are taken. Thoughts? Connolly15 ( talk) 15:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I've started to introduce a couple of edits to help address some of the issues. I see the
Politics of Italy article speaks of "technical government", while providing a wikilink to
technocracy. IMO, there may be a reasonable case for using the expression 'technical government'. While it's true that some influential sources, such as the BBC, have rendered governo tecnico as "technocratic government", overall on Google "technical government" seems fairly common too (
n=97,700 vs
n=75,500).
MistyMorn (
talk) 15:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if he is still a mason... but i'm sure he was a mason.
this link say about it. Original Italian link
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Mario_Monti#Monti_su_altre_wikipedia
-- 151.47.93.35 ( talk) 15:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
In the "infobox" for Mr. Monti, it says that Pier Bersani is PM designate and will follow Monti as PM of Italy. However, I have seen articles that say Italy is in governmental limbo Here, and Here. I have not seen any proof that Mr. Bersani is PM Designate. If anybody can find proof of Mr. Bersani's PM Designate status, great. If not, I suggest removing the error from the article. Mhoppmann ( talk) 17:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Can we stop calling him a 'technocrat' his austerity policies have failed - he is an ideologue. How come president correa of Ecuador is not a 'technocrat'? 90.217.167.67 ( talk) 18:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
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Mario Monti has NEVER been voted by anybody in regular elections. This is A FACT. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.45.225.13 ( talk) 02:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
He is a fascist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.94.46.181 ( talk) 13:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC) As of now, Monti has not taken office as prime minister. While it appears likely he will, please do not list him as prime minister before it is official. Mrfeek ( talk) 21:30, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Intro: should't it say "asked by the President of the Republic"? I know it is mentioned in the article, but simply say that he was asked to become the PM seems a bit general to me... Luzz ( talk) 23:02, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I would like to point out that Egyptology is not an interest, but an Academic Degree; it it thus incorrect to state that Monti is an Egyptologist. He is rather a person interested in Egyptology or in ancient Egypt. Daniele Salvoldi, Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Egyptologist — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.34.76.198 ( talk) 14:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Different graduate study programs fall under this headline (for example, M.A. or Ph.D.). It would be helpful to document which type of studies Mr. Monti pursued. The Italian page reports a similarly vague statement. I will cross-post this comment there, in case.
Fdm07 ( talk) 14:44, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Fdm07 ( talk) 16:48, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
About Mario Monti. He is now the new PM of Italy . Source: La Stampa "19.49 - Napolitano conferisce l'incarico a Monti l termine di un incontro durato esattamente 45 minuti, Giorgio Napolitano ha conferito a Mario Monti l’incarico per formare il Governo. L’annuncio viene dato dal segretario generale della Presidenza della Repubblica, Donato Marra. Come di prassi Marra esce nel corridoio dalla Vetrata e legge il comunicato (sempre lo stesso, crisi dopo crisi, in cui cambiano solo i nomi) e spiega che il Presidente della Repubblica ha affidato l’incarico al Senatore a vita. Questi ha accettato con riserva. Fra poco rilascerà alcune dichiarazioni. Interverrà anche Napolitano, successivamente." http://www3.lastampa.it/politica/sezioni/articolo/lstp/429582/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elyasid ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
To clarify: If someone (eg Monti) who has been charged/designated (incaricato) by the President to form a government fails to do so, as sometimes happens, that person will not be considered as having served as PM. So the difference is real.--
MistyMorn (
talk) 22:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
I've just changed "PM Designate" to PM, based on a live report by the BBC News Channel supposedly showing Monti "being sworn in". However, Italian sources show the ceremony planned for 5 pm local time later on today. Seeing the presence other good faith edits following my own, I thought it better not to revert my mistake for the sake of just 3 hours technical innacuracy: Monti NOW is clearly the new PM.-- MistyMorn ( talk) 13:00, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Greetings ... admittedly I don't normally edit this article, or very many about politicians for that matter. However, a user added a link to Mario Monti from the article for Super Mario Bros., apparently because Mr. Monti is commonly called "Super Mario" in the world press, as evidenced here, here and here. I have since revised that reference to add Mr. Monti's name to the list of individuals called "Super Mario" and was wondering if a reference to his nickname should be added here as well. I may go ahead and be bold and add the info, but I also wanted to open discussion on it in case regular editors have issues about this being added. -- McDoob AU 93 00:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I've tried to fill in a little more info about Monti's father, who was born in Varese, emigrated to Argentina during the war, but then returned to his family house in Varese. I've removed the Italian Argentine WL, given that Monti's father does not strictly fit the WP article definition of "a person born in Argentina of Italian ancestry".-- MistyMorn ( talk) 10:53, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
His father was born in Lujan, Argentina. http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1423104-mario-monti-el-sucesor-de-berlusconi-es-hijo-de-un-argentino — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.225.125.21 ( talk) 23:54, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
The appointment of Monti didn't not follow any democratic process; it was a form of peaceful coup organised by the EU. Anyone got time to put together a few sources from the (admittely few) media outlets which have noticed this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.146.215.109 ( talk) 18:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
He was elected by nobody. This is not a consipracy theory and use of that term is designed to close don't debate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.246.91.205 ( talk) 16:25, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
The fact that he is an international adviser to Goldman Sachs and Coca Cola is mentioned twice in the article - it sounds redundant and overstressed - my suggestion is to remove it from the intro. -- Itemirus Message me! 07:43, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Fat&Happy has placed a tag pointing out that the ref provided doesn't mention Monti. This prompted me to have a google around: all the references I could find—irrespective of language—seem to to stem from Wikipedia... Oh Mummia Mia! I trust this wasn't just some vandal's idea of a joke.-- MistyMorn ( talk) 22:12, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
I have removed the date at the end of the first sentence of the lede on the grounds that it is redundant and, at least in British English, ungrammatical. The current version seems to me to be in keeping in keeping with MOS and broadly similar to the lede for David Cameron, an article which has achieved GA status. However, user Everyking believes that the date on which Monti became PM is an important component of the opening sentence. We have basically agreed to disagree: the discussion can be found on our respective Talk pages, here and here. Any other views, I wonder, on how to improve the lede?-- MistyMorn ( talk) 15:38, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
I've rephrased the lede to shift the emphasis to his position as Italian Prime Minister. The style used follows that for other current major world leaders on wiki. Connolly15 ( talk) 14:34, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Consensus to remove sources tag on the article? Otherwise, please point to statements which require sources... I can't see anymore! Thanks! Connolly15 ( talk) 13:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Can we please have a discussion on the use of the term technocracy in this article? The main problem is that if you read the technocracy article it obviously does not fit with the situation in Italy (also see the talk page). I appreciate the media has been referring to the government as a technocratic government essentially because they are "experts in their fields" rather than elected officials (this by definition is not a technocracy anyway). However, Lucas Papademos's government (also described as a technocrat in the media) is being described as a national unity government on wikipedia. I would argue this is more appropriate description of the situation in Italy as well - all the Italian political parties (except Lega Nord) are supporting the Monti cabinet through parliamentary votes of confidence and Monti's cabinet has been created to deal with a "national emergency". Monti also regularly meets with and consults the political party leadership on all sides before decisions are taken. Thoughts? Connolly15 ( talk) 15:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I've started to introduce a couple of edits to help address some of the issues. I see the
Politics of Italy article speaks of "technical government", while providing a wikilink to
technocracy. IMO, there may be a reasonable case for using the expression 'technical government'. While it's true that some influential sources, such as the BBC, have rendered governo tecnico as "technocratic government", overall on Google "technical government" seems fairly common too (
n=97,700 vs
n=75,500).
MistyMorn (
talk) 15:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if he is still a mason... but i'm sure he was a mason.
this link say about it. Original Italian link
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussione:Mario_Monti#Monti_su_altre_wikipedia
-- 151.47.93.35 ( talk) 15:35, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
In the "infobox" for Mr. Monti, it says that Pier Bersani is PM designate and will follow Monti as PM of Italy. However, I have seen articles that say Italy is in governmental limbo Here, and Here. I have not seen any proof that Mr. Bersani is PM Designate. If anybody can find proof of Mr. Bersani's PM Designate status, great. If not, I suggest removing the error from the article. Mhoppmann ( talk) 17:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Can we stop calling him a 'technocrat' his austerity policies have failed - he is an ideologue. How come president correa of Ecuador is not a 'technocrat'? 90.217.167.67 ( talk) 18:22, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
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