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The name "Marin Getaldić" is ten times more frequent, just check Google. The article must have that name. Saying that the Italian version of the name should be used because his family supposedly arrived to Dubrovnik from Italy in the 8th century - seven centuries before he was born! - is simply ridiculous. The legendary origins can be mentioned, but nothing more. -- Zmaj 17:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I request the change of the article name into Marin Getladić! -- Anto 14:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The name of the article should be renamed into Marin Getaldić. He is one of the most respected Croatian scientists. Also name Marin Getaldić has the most results on Google search ( 18.600 ). -- Zelen-oko ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Gbook hits. 20th and 21st-century favours "Marino Ghetaldi".-- Zoupan 11:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Also Marin Getaldić has the most (18.900) results on Google search. Zelen-oko ( talk) 01:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Marin Getaldić has 25.100 results on Google search: Proof here: http://s17.postimg.org/bnnvx1ben/Screen_Shot_04_10_16_at_02_36_AM.png Marino Ghetaldi has 18.700. Proof here: http://s30.postimg.org/mkxfmoxfl/Screen_Shot_04_10_16_at_02_40_AM.png Marin Getaldić is his contemporary name used in Republic of Dubrovnik along with latin version. Italian version "Marino Ghetaldi" was given to him only in Italy, while working in Italy not in Republic of Dubrovnik. In his work he used latin version of his name. Soo Marino Ghetaldi is not proper name but Italian neologism. Zelen-oko ( talk) 00:46, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved per request Mike Cline ( talk) 12:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Marin Getaldić →
Marino Ghetaldi – As per GBook hits presented in the above section.
Zoupan
11:24, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. There seems to be a lot of shouting and not much good faith going on in this discussion, but as far as I can see English usage is fairly split, and no consensus seen here, so it is not moved at this time. ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 09:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Marino Ghetaldi →
Marin Getaldić – Marin Getaldić was not ethnic Italian. He never identified himself as Italian. Also people of Republic of Ragusa where Croats not Italians. Croats are present in Dubrovnik since 7th century. And there is many evidence of that. Among other things, all the documents from the time of the Dubrovnik Republic are still preserved in Dubrovnik.
Latin was the official language of Dubrovnik in politics. Because Latin was offical language of Catholic church. And Croats are Christians Catholics. Latin was official language in whole Croatia not just Dubrovnik.
In that time it was normal for nobles in whole Croatia to have latin versions of its name with their croat ( common ) name. Same was with Marin Getaldić.
Statement by Zoupan qoute:
He was an ethnic Italian living in a community that was Italian at the time. We should not project today's politics backward in time and make him Croatian
This statement above is offensive to the citizens of Dubrovnik and Croatia. Zoupan is the one who wants to rewrite History.
Marin Getaldić is his name and that name should be used. He was citizen of Dubrovnik and Dubrovnik is part of Croatia. Name Marino Ghetaldi was used only in Italy not in Republic of Ragusa. Marin Getaldić and latin version Marinus Ghetaldus where used in Republic of Ragusa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.6.174 ( talk • contribs) 10:12, March 22, 2016
We have same examples in modern times too. Croatia is english version of country name. But Hrvatska is the orginal name used by croats. Just because Croatia is used in english, does not mean that Hrvatska is actualy english country! Or that Hrvatska is not real name of the country. Marin Getaldić was croat. His father was croat Maro Marinov Jakova Getaldić, his mother was croat Anica Andrije Restić. His brothers was Andrija, Šimun, Martolic and Jakov and sister Nika. All croatian. Marin Getaldić never identified himself as Italian. Actualy Republic of Ragusa and Venice where enemies, at war. Also first croatian language grammer is wrriten in Dubrovnik by Bartol Kašić in 1604. Documents wrriten on croatian language from 12th and 13th century from Dubrovnik ( Ragusa ) still exist. They are kept in the Dubrovnik museums and archives. Soo statmets by Zoupan that Dubrovnik people are italians are just ridiculous. Show that he does not have any knowledge of the subject matter. Also if you use google search, Marin Getaldić has the most ( 18.900 ) results. As for the latin language. Latin language was official diplomatic and political language of all croats and in all croatian republics, states or kingdoms until 19th century, not just in Republic of Dubrovnik ( Ragusa ). Also first uses of the name Dubrovnik is from 1215. First use of the term Dubrovčani ( Dubrovnik people ) is from 1189. Even the most importan croatian king Tomislav ( king of the Kingdom of Croatia 925–1102 )had latin name Tamisclaus too. Zelen-oko ( talk) 01:21, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
All informations about his familly and original documents from that period still exist in Dubrovnik. As for my knowledge about Republic of Dubrovnik, it is much greater than yours Zoupan. Considering that Dubrovnik is my home city. And I can trace my familly to 14th century Dubrovnik. We are talking about my home. Name of the article must be changed to Marin Getaldić and Marinus Ghetaldus. As for his work, he used latin version of his name in his work. Zelen-oko ( talk) 04:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
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The name "Marin Getaldić" is ten times more frequent, just check Google. The article must have that name. Saying that the Italian version of the name should be used because his family supposedly arrived to Dubrovnik from Italy in the 8th century - seven centuries before he was born! - is simply ridiculous. The legendary origins can be mentioned, but nothing more. -- Zmaj 17:22, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I request the change of the article name into Marin Getladić! -- Anto 14:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The name of the article should be renamed into Marin Getaldić. He is one of the most respected Croatian scientists. Also name Marin Getaldić has the most results on Google search ( 18.600 ). -- Zelen-oko ( talk • contribs) 20:39, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Gbook hits. 20th and 21st-century favours "Marino Ghetaldi".-- Zoupan 11:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
Also Marin Getaldić has the most (18.900) results on Google search. Zelen-oko ( talk) 01:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Marin Getaldić has 25.100 results on Google search: Proof here: http://s17.postimg.org/bnnvx1ben/Screen_Shot_04_10_16_at_02_36_AM.png Marino Ghetaldi has 18.700. Proof here: http://s30.postimg.org/mkxfmoxfl/Screen_Shot_04_10_16_at_02_40_AM.png Marin Getaldić is his contemporary name used in Republic of Dubrovnik along with latin version. Italian version "Marino Ghetaldi" was given to him only in Italy, while working in Italy not in Republic of Dubrovnik. In his work he used latin version of his name. Soo Marino Ghetaldi is not proper name but Italian neologism. Zelen-oko ( talk) 00:46, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved per request Mike Cline ( talk) 12:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Marin Getaldić →
Marino Ghetaldi – As per GBook hits presented in the above section.
Zoupan
11:24, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus to move. There seems to be a lot of shouting and not much good faith going on in this discussion, but as far as I can see English usage is fairly split, and no consensus seen here, so it is not moved at this time. ( non-admin closure) — Amakuru ( talk) 09:58, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
Marino Ghetaldi →
Marin Getaldić – Marin Getaldić was not ethnic Italian. He never identified himself as Italian. Also people of Republic of Ragusa where Croats not Italians. Croats are present in Dubrovnik since 7th century. And there is many evidence of that. Among other things, all the documents from the time of the Dubrovnik Republic are still preserved in Dubrovnik.
Latin was the official language of Dubrovnik in politics. Because Latin was offical language of Catholic church. And Croats are Christians Catholics. Latin was official language in whole Croatia not just Dubrovnik.
In that time it was normal for nobles in whole Croatia to have latin versions of its name with their croat ( common ) name. Same was with Marin Getaldić.
Statement by Zoupan qoute:
He was an ethnic Italian living in a community that was Italian at the time. We should not project today's politics backward in time and make him Croatian
This statement above is offensive to the citizens of Dubrovnik and Croatia. Zoupan is the one who wants to rewrite History.
Marin Getaldić is his name and that name should be used. He was citizen of Dubrovnik and Dubrovnik is part of Croatia. Name Marino Ghetaldi was used only in Italy not in Republic of Ragusa. Marin Getaldić and latin version Marinus Ghetaldus where used in Republic of Ragusa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.6.174 ( talk • contribs) 10:12, March 22, 2016
We have same examples in modern times too. Croatia is english version of country name. But Hrvatska is the orginal name used by croats. Just because Croatia is used in english, does not mean that Hrvatska is actualy english country! Or that Hrvatska is not real name of the country. Marin Getaldić was croat. His father was croat Maro Marinov Jakova Getaldić, his mother was croat Anica Andrije Restić. His brothers was Andrija, Šimun, Martolic and Jakov and sister Nika. All croatian. Marin Getaldić never identified himself as Italian. Actualy Republic of Ragusa and Venice where enemies, at war. Also first croatian language grammer is wrriten in Dubrovnik by Bartol Kašić in 1604. Documents wrriten on croatian language from 12th and 13th century from Dubrovnik ( Ragusa ) still exist. They are kept in the Dubrovnik museums and archives. Soo statmets by Zoupan that Dubrovnik people are italians are just ridiculous. Show that he does not have any knowledge of the subject matter. Also if you use google search, Marin Getaldić has the most ( 18.900 ) results. As for the latin language. Latin language was official diplomatic and political language of all croats and in all croatian republics, states or kingdoms until 19th century, not just in Republic of Dubrovnik ( Ragusa ). Also first uses of the name Dubrovnik is from 1215. First use of the term Dubrovčani ( Dubrovnik people ) is from 1189. Even the most importan croatian king Tomislav ( king of the Kingdom of Croatia 925–1102 )had latin name Tamisclaus too. Zelen-oko ( talk) 01:21, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
All informations about his familly and original documents from that period still exist in Dubrovnik. As for my knowledge about Republic of Dubrovnik, it is much greater than yours Zoupan. Considering that Dubrovnik is my home city. And I can trace my familly to 14th century Dubrovnik. We are talking about my home. Name of the article must be changed to Marin Getaldić and Marinus Ghetaldus. As for his work, he used latin version of his name in his work. Zelen-oko ( talk) 04:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)