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Are Corpsman allowed to take part in MCMAP?
This is inaccurate. We've had considerable numbers of Navy Corpsman (E-4 and above) attached to USMC fleet units (Greenside Navy) beocme instructors and teach well before 2008.
//Any service that is attached to a Marine Corps unit may become qualified and advance in the MCMAP. Once they are not longer attached to a Marine unit, they are not authorized to wear MCMAP belts. Only Navy (Greenside Only) may become MCMAP instructors. They may not become Instructor Trainers, only Sergeants or above in the Marine Corps may achieve this level.
I just spent a little bit of time today fleshing things on this article out, and hopefully I'll get a chance to revisit it in the near future. It's actually a very holistic program, so we should be able to turn this into a pretty respectable article with some work. Fox1 19:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The Martial arts program section of the United States Marine Corps page has more info than this page (or at least contains info that this page doesn't). Ideally, the page on Marine Corps Martial Arts Program should be longer and more detailed than the section in USMC. - Matthew238 05:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Created a history section, which includes the info from the old Unarmed Combat section, and was therefore replaced. Let me know what you all think. Gelston 04:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I added the synergy graphic, the MCMAP belts graphic and updated the Martial Culture section. When someone gets a chance, we need to put something in the Warrior study section and fatten up the history section, it only goes up to 2000. -- Adavies4 17:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The vast majority of this article is devoted to the discussion of unrelated, historical warrior cultures that have a tenuous tie at best to this topic; this could be much more effectively conveyed by a few links to the wikis on the cultures in question so as not to dominate the actual topic.
Beyond that, the article focuses almost entirely on the history of the program and the structure and rules relating thereto and doesn't deal much at all with the actual techniques or any critical analysis.
I'm sure these won't get a huge amount of use (just how many wikipedians are Marines who were servince while/since this program came out?), but they are there for your consumption. bahamut0013 ♠ ♣ 16:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything about civilian establishments that teaches mcmap technique? New York? I am interested in learning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.129.99 ( talk) 00:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm an instructor at Field Medical Training Battalion (East) and ALL Corpsmen that go through either here or at the West Coast are graduating with Tan belts. This is a new requirement and its definitely benfitting the Navy-Marine Corps team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.86.226 ( talk) 14:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Are these programs available for both Enlisted and Officers? At first thought I would just think enlisted a NCO's would be involved in it, but It would be nice to know and nice to add to the page. anybody? Fightinginthestreets ( talk) 03:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
why is there no mention of Rechard Strozzi-Heckler? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.232.240 ( talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009
Any luck on finding a reliable source for your nicknames of MCMAP? You are aware that no one in the Marine Corps uses those nicknames, right? I don't know where you are stationed or who around you uses those nicknames, but your here-say does not belong in this page. As long as you keep your nicknames section with the "citation needed" next to it, why can't I add: " MCMAP was used by the Spartans (citations needed)"? We both know that no one will be able to find evidence that they didn't use MCMAP, even though we know that they did not. See where I'm coming from? You're using an ad ignorantium argument here that, quite honestly, doesn't hold any water. I'm asking you to remove the nickname section, especially since you are representing the Marine Corps here. Think about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 23:07, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
You honestly think that readers can judge veracity for themselves? Why do we have the need for citations on anything then? Because the truth does matter, and that is what I'm trying to get to the bottom of: Why do you believe that your nickname section is true, yet will not verify it with any sources? Don't you find that odd? I would think that by now, you'd just site a source since you have told me that it is a fact (even though I still believe that you are wrong). By the way, the Marine Corps does care, and it doesn't matter how much work you've done for the Corps on Wikipedia, that does not excuse your hearsay that you have inserted on this specific page. As a Marine, everything you put on the internet DOES represent the Marine Corps and they DO care, whether you think you are acting as an individual or not. For example: why are we not allowed to publicly speak out on any political issues? Because the Marine Corps has stated that they do not want to give the impression to anyone that something a Marine says is representative of the Marine Corps. They don't want to take that chance, understandably so. Look, my only reason for offering this resistance here is to ensure that the Marine Corps is properly represented. That's it. There is not personal vendetta (I don't even know you) and I haven't threatened you, personally, in any way. You said that there isn't any misrepresentation on this Wikipedia page, yet I beg to differ. I'll say it again: If what you think you have said in the nickname section is true, then simply insert a citation and I will be on my way. But until you do, I will keep urging you to remove that last sentence in the opening paragraph. You call it trivial; I call it being accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 03:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
It is hearsay. Each day that you leave the nickname section up without proper citation (that's all I'm asking for), you are proving my point that you have no real evidence for it. You just admitted that the MACE might get worked up about it. Why would they get worked up? Forget pejorative or unsavory, how about accurate? Why can't you cite a source for the nicknames? Until you do, you should remove it, otherwise, like you said, the concept of an [accurate] encyclopedia breaks down, and you are the one compromising its accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 16:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
No, I understand your point and I'll leave you alone after this: If you are correct about the nicknames, why won't you include a source? You said people use them; who are they? Please cite them. Sorry you think that this has become pointless. That was not my aim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 21:54, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm a former Marine with a tan belt earned in mid-2001 (August I think). "Semper Fu" I know was a common nickname, it seems to have been coined here http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001-03-08-marines.htm . I've also seen the term McNinja used but far less often. Finding specific sources for these nicknames will be difficult because they're just that, nicknames and not official terms used by the government. The most official thing that could likely be found is a unit's official webpage using the moniker. ( Anthony955 ( talk) 06:05, 16 June 2011 (UTC))
Could someone clarify the hours required part? It seems a bit low, are these hours just for the testing? (Although they seem a bit high for this). I have no military knowledge but did train in civilian martial arts, and there, it was generally the case that an average person would take around 1500 hours to attain a black belt (Around 10 hours a week for 3 years), and to be instructor level, you'd need at least 5 years, and usually it was closer to 10 before people got awarded. I can certainly understand the military requiring less hours as they will usually be in much better physical condition than most civilians, and perhaps due to the fact people only serve for a limited number of years means 5-10 years to become an instructor is unrealistic, but a ratio of 10:1 for black belts seems a bit out of whack there (1500 hours vs 150 hours total based on the numbers on the page). Quelbonpat ( talk) 06:27, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
In answering this question, the unfortunate response is; it depends. For the last several years the Marine Corps has started to push belt level requirements for promotion. As a result, many Marines in need of a particular belt often seek out an instructor and acquire their belts within a few days with little or no actual sparring, drills or tie-ins required to fill the actual standards for time. This is a trend that seems to be watering down the MCMAP program. When I went through my Green Belt Instructor course in 2006, it was 30 days long approximately 6-8 hours a day. In 2009, an IT ran the Black Belt course I was in and I acquired my belt in 6 days, 1.5 hours a day, plus a testing day. Things have certainly changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.45.181.24 ( talk) 01:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
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I am a prior service Marine in the Army National Guard and I’m trying to find if there is a regulation regarding the use of my MCMAP brown belt I earned if I can use it on my Army cammies (OCP). 67.1.23.140 ( talk) 22:03, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
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This is inaccurate. We've had considerable numbers of Navy Corpsman (E-4 and above) attached to USMC fleet units (Greenside Navy) beocme instructors and teach well before 2008.
//Any service that is attached to a Marine Corps unit may become qualified and advance in the MCMAP. Once they are not longer attached to a Marine unit, they are not authorized to wear MCMAP belts. Only Navy (Greenside Only) may become MCMAP instructors. They may not become Instructor Trainers, only Sergeants or above in the Marine Corps may achieve this level.
I just spent a little bit of time today fleshing things on this article out, and hopefully I'll get a chance to revisit it in the near future. It's actually a very holistic program, so we should be able to turn this into a pretty respectable article with some work. Fox1 19:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The Martial arts program section of the United States Marine Corps page has more info than this page (or at least contains info that this page doesn't). Ideally, the page on Marine Corps Martial Arts Program should be longer and more detailed than the section in USMC. - Matthew238 05:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Created a history section, which includes the info from the old Unarmed Combat section, and was therefore replaced. Let me know what you all think. Gelston 04:26, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I added the synergy graphic, the MCMAP belts graphic and updated the Martial Culture section. When someone gets a chance, we need to put something in the Warrior study section and fatten up the history section, it only goes up to 2000. -- Adavies4 17:06, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
The vast majority of this article is devoted to the discussion of unrelated, historical warrior cultures that have a tenuous tie at best to this topic; this could be much more effectively conveyed by a few links to the wikis on the cultures in question so as not to dominate the actual topic.
Beyond that, the article focuses almost entirely on the history of the program and the structure and rules relating thereto and doesn't deal much at all with the actual techniques or any critical analysis.
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I'm sure these won't get a huge amount of use (just how many wikipedians are Marines who were servince while/since this program came out?), but they are there for your consumption. bahamut0013 ♠ ♣ 16:04, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know anything about civilian establishments that teaches mcmap technique? New York? I am interested in learning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.129.99 ( talk) 00:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm an instructor at Field Medical Training Battalion (East) and ALL Corpsmen that go through either here or at the West Coast are graduating with Tan belts. This is a new requirement and its definitely benfitting the Navy-Marine Corps team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.184.86.226 ( talk) 14:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Are these programs available for both Enlisted and Officers? At first thought I would just think enlisted a NCO's would be involved in it, but It would be nice to know and nice to add to the page. anybody? Fightinginthestreets ( talk) 03:41, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
why is there no mention of Rechard Strozzi-Heckler? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.232.240 ( talk) 10:45, 22 July 2009
Any luck on finding a reliable source for your nicknames of MCMAP? You are aware that no one in the Marine Corps uses those nicknames, right? I don't know where you are stationed or who around you uses those nicknames, but your here-say does not belong in this page. As long as you keep your nicknames section with the "citation needed" next to it, why can't I add: " MCMAP was used by the Spartans (citations needed)"? We both know that no one will be able to find evidence that they didn't use MCMAP, even though we know that they did not. See where I'm coming from? You're using an ad ignorantium argument here that, quite honestly, doesn't hold any water. I'm asking you to remove the nickname section, especially since you are representing the Marine Corps here. Think about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 23:07, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
You honestly think that readers can judge veracity for themselves? Why do we have the need for citations on anything then? Because the truth does matter, and that is what I'm trying to get to the bottom of: Why do you believe that your nickname section is true, yet will not verify it with any sources? Don't you find that odd? I would think that by now, you'd just site a source since you have told me that it is a fact (even though I still believe that you are wrong). By the way, the Marine Corps does care, and it doesn't matter how much work you've done for the Corps on Wikipedia, that does not excuse your hearsay that you have inserted on this specific page. As a Marine, everything you put on the internet DOES represent the Marine Corps and they DO care, whether you think you are acting as an individual or not. For example: why are we not allowed to publicly speak out on any political issues? Because the Marine Corps has stated that they do not want to give the impression to anyone that something a Marine says is representative of the Marine Corps. They don't want to take that chance, understandably so. Look, my only reason for offering this resistance here is to ensure that the Marine Corps is properly represented. That's it. There is not personal vendetta (I don't even know you) and I haven't threatened you, personally, in any way. You said that there isn't any misrepresentation on this Wikipedia page, yet I beg to differ. I'll say it again: If what you think you have said in the nickname section is true, then simply insert a citation and I will be on my way. But until you do, I will keep urging you to remove that last sentence in the opening paragraph. You call it trivial; I call it being accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 03:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
It is hearsay. Each day that you leave the nickname section up without proper citation (that's all I'm asking for), you are proving my point that you have no real evidence for it. You just admitted that the MACE might get worked up about it. Why would they get worked up? Forget pejorative or unsavory, how about accurate? Why can't you cite a source for the nicknames? Until you do, you should remove it, otherwise, like you said, the concept of an [accurate] encyclopedia breaks down, and you are the one compromising its accuracy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 16:58, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
No, I understand your point and I'll leave you alone after this: If you are correct about the nicknames, why won't you include a source? You said people use them; who are they? Please cite them. Sorry you think that this has become pointless. That was not my aim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.167.89 ( talk) 21:54, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm a former Marine with a tan belt earned in mid-2001 (August I think). "Semper Fu" I know was a common nickname, it seems to have been coined here http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2001-03-08-marines.htm . I've also seen the term McNinja used but far less often. Finding specific sources for these nicknames will be difficult because they're just that, nicknames and not official terms used by the government. The most official thing that could likely be found is a unit's official webpage using the moniker. ( Anthony955 ( talk) 06:05, 16 June 2011 (UTC))
Could someone clarify the hours required part? It seems a bit low, are these hours just for the testing? (Although they seem a bit high for this). I have no military knowledge but did train in civilian martial arts, and there, it was generally the case that an average person would take around 1500 hours to attain a black belt (Around 10 hours a week for 3 years), and to be instructor level, you'd need at least 5 years, and usually it was closer to 10 before people got awarded. I can certainly understand the military requiring less hours as they will usually be in much better physical condition than most civilians, and perhaps due to the fact people only serve for a limited number of years means 5-10 years to become an instructor is unrealistic, but a ratio of 10:1 for black belts seems a bit out of whack there (1500 hours vs 150 hours total based on the numbers on the page). Quelbonpat ( talk) 06:27, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
In answering this question, the unfortunate response is; it depends. For the last several years the Marine Corps has started to push belt level requirements for promotion. As a result, many Marines in need of a particular belt often seek out an instructor and acquire their belts within a few days with little or no actual sparring, drills or tie-ins required to fill the actual standards for time. This is a trend that seems to be watering down the MCMAP program. When I went through my Green Belt Instructor course in 2006, it was 30 days long approximately 6-8 hours a day. In 2009, an IT ran the Black Belt course I was in and I acquired my belt in 6 days, 1.5 hours a day, plus a testing day. Things have certainly changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.45.181.24 ( talk) 01:41, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
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I am a prior service Marine in the Army National Guard and I’m trying to find if there is a regulation regarding the use of my MCMAP brown belt I earned if I can use it on my Army cammies (OCP). 67.1.23.140 ( talk) 22:03, 28 November 2021 (UTC)