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Hi, HansClumsy. I am confused why you deleted my request for this page to be deleted without discussing it. Please explain - Réunion (stylised) - ( talk to me) 20:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Please don't delete this page. At the very least, don't delete it NOW. If it truly turns out to be worthy of deleting, we will soon know. Evangeline ( talk) 02:29, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be any reason to delete such a well referenced article.
The main argument against it is it's "speedy" creation, but that is invalid when it's so well referenced with historical information Kennedy ( talk) 03:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
As of today, this woman is an important historical figure. Why delete the page? Evan R. Murphy ( talk) 05:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I vote to keep this well-sourced article. Per WP:1E, she is notable because she is the primary actor in a notable event. Channel 1 is a tightly controlled propaganda machine for the Kremlin, and the newscaster is one that Putin likes to watch. These make the event notable because the protest happened live on one of the Kremlin-controlled TV stations. Websurfer2 ( talk) 08:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Delete discussion is over here folks: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marina_Ovsyannikova
User:Pahanda has just made his/her second edit in two and a half years. The edit removed sourced information. 89.8.146.21 ( talk) 11:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Photograph from court appearance on March 15, show her wearing her "peace necklace". Has media spelled that out yet? 89.8.146.21 ( talk) 15:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm sure this will come out in reporting, but in terms of what time this event happened, oldest clip I see on twitter right now is from 9:45pm Moscow time (14 March 2022). [1] (Translation: "Live, Channel One. An unknown girl ran out with a poster "No war" and stood behind Ekaterina Andreeva")-- Milowent • has spoken 21:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
I want to make sure that this is not a conflation. There is this record on IMDB:
I cannot tell if this is the same person. It may even be that more than one person is identified here. At bottom is a listing for Self - Russian television employee (2022)
. I am thinking that the actress first active in 1999 may be different from the 2020 & 2022 listings. Is there someone familiar with Russian TV who can comment? I have hesitated adding this to Wikidata until confirmed.
Peaceray (
talk)
16:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Conspiracy theories flying around on social media that this is an info-op. Some verification that it was broadcast live in Russia would be useful. Christiaan ( talk) 10:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
What an inspiration Marina Ovsyannikova is! Amazing woman! But she is notable for one event and article should be deleted. See
WP:EVENT.
Cinadon
36
07:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
So...I now noticed deleting the article has been discussed. Sorry for bringing this up again. I was using my phone and discussions were collapsed. Cinadon 36 07:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
So, this removes any final doubts about Wikipedia being used as a political tool: pages with much bigger interest have been removed, on the basis of being not notable. But as it can be seen here, the choice is made on a political basis. So be it. -- Oakwood ( talk) 13:11, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I have changed the spelling of program to programme. Typically these types of articles are written in British English because Britain has proximity to Ukraine and the conflict. See 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Solipsism 101 ( talk) 14:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I know so much crap that is filled in my homewiki DEwiki constantly. Now i'm a bit surprised such blunder can stay in ENwiki with much broader audience. I'm unable to explain more than i did. -- Itu ( talk) 06:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
I don't see a source mentioning the patronymic name (neither in WP.ru or in WD). That's why I removed it. Please add back this name only if you can provide a source. -- Rießler ( talk) 10:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Hi, HansClumsy. I am confused why you deleted my request for this page to be deleted without discussing it. Please explain - Réunion (stylised) - ( talk to me) 20:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Please don't delete this page. At the very least, don't delete it NOW. If it truly turns out to be worthy of deleting, we will soon know. Evangeline ( talk) 02:29, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be any reason to delete such a well referenced article.
The main argument against it is it's "speedy" creation, but that is invalid when it's so well referenced with historical information Kennedy ( talk) 03:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
As of today, this woman is an important historical figure. Why delete the page? Evan R. Murphy ( talk) 05:27, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I vote to keep this well-sourced article. Per WP:1E, she is notable because she is the primary actor in a notable event. Channel 1 is a tightly controlled propaganda machine for the Kremlin, and the newscaster is one that Putin likes to watch. These make the event notable because the protest happened live on one of the Kremlin-controlled TV stations. Websurfer2 ( talk) 08:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Delete discussion is over here folks: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marina_Ovsyannikova
User:Pahanda has just made his/her second edit in two and a half years. The edit removed sourced information. 89.8.146.21 ( talk) 11:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Photograph from court appearance on March 15, show her wearing her "peace necklace". Has media spelled that out yet? 89.8.146.21 ( talk) 15:31, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I'm sure this will come out in reporting, but in terms of what time this event happened, oldest clip I see on twitter right now is from 9:45pm Moscow time (14 March 2022). [1] (Translation: "Live, Channel One. An unknown girl ran out with a poster "No war" and stood behind Ekaterina Andreeva")-- Milowent • has spoken 21:02, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
I want to make sure that this is not a conflation. There is this record on IMDB:
I cannot tell if this is the same person. It may even be that more than one person is identified here. At bottom is a listing for Self - Russian television employee (2022)
. I am thinking that the actress first active in 1999 may be different from the 2020 & 2022 listings. Is there someone familiar with Russian TV who can comment? I have hesitated adding this to Wikidata until confirmed.
Peaceray (
talk)
16:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Conspiracy theories flying around on social media that this is an info-op. Some verification that it was broadcast live in Russia would be useful. Christiaan ( talk) 10:12, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
What an inspiration Marina Ovsyannikova is! Amazing woman! But she is notable for one event and article should be deleted. See
WP:EVENT.
Cinadon
36
07:21, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
So...I now noticed deleting the article has been discussed. Sorry for bringing this up again. I was using my phone and discussions were collapsed. Cinadon 36 07:27, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
So, this removes any final doubts about Wikipedia being used as a political tool: pages with much bigger interest have been removed, on the basis of being not notable. But as it can be seen here, the choice is made on a political basis. So be it. -- Oakwood ( talk) 13:11, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I have changed the spelling of program to programme. Typically these types of articles are written in British English because Britain has proximity to Ukraine and the conflict. See 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Solipsism 101 ( talk) 14:44, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I know so much crap that is filled in my homewiki DEwiki constantly. Now i'm a bit surprised such blunder can stay in ENwiki with much broader audience. I'm unable to explain more than i did. -- Itu ( talk) 06:53, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
I don't see a source mentioning the patronymic name (neither in WP.ru or in WD). That's why I removed it. Please add back this name only if you can provide a source. -- Rießler ( talk) 10:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)