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Is this the most appropriate title for the article? All but one of the other languages' articles call her "Marie Louise of Austria." (The other just calls her "Marie Louise"). This is the only one that uses the "Duchess of Parma" title. Funnyhat 05:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Marie Louise, Duchess of Parma → Marie Louise of Austria, Duchess of Parma or Marie Louise of Austria — As Marie Louise was Empress of the French, she is typically known, or at least identified, as a member of the House of Austria. Given that, and the importance of her pre-marital status in her selection as an imperial bride, I think it would be appropriate to rename this page Marie Louise of Austria, Duchess of Parma or even Marie Louise of Austria. — Charles 05:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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2008-01-11 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.208.93.34 ( talk) 17:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but I thought the French royal family have been named “de Capet” as long as they have had any surname. Monarchs and their families does have surnames at least during later centuries. However, they rarely use them. I myself use them only about those which where ether not born royal or had lost their titles. Is not the present-day heir to the royal French throne named de Capet? How about king Juan Carlos of Spain? If I have understood it correctly both of them are descendants of king Louis XIV of France. So where Marie Antoinette's husband. 2008-01-11 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.208.93.34 ( talk) 18:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Napoléon I once refered to Marie Antoinette as ”the vidow de Capet”. (This was two years before he came to power.) However, he did not know her and might had made the same mistake as me. Anyway, the surname issue is a bit of topic. I originaly asked how Marie Louise was related to Marie Antoinette. You wrote that she was her grandnice. Does that mean she was the sister of her paternal grandfather? I wounder because want to be able to express their relationship in Swedish. This language has more words for realtives than English has.
2008-01-15 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.233.151.44 ( talk) 11:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
How patriarchalist. Why are people always thinking kinship via men first? While it is true that Marie Antoinette was sister of Marie Louise's paternal grandfather, an equally close and genetically more important kinship however is that Marie Antoinette was sister of Marie Louise's maternal grandmother, and they shared the same mitochondrial DNA. Marie Louise was daughter of Maria Teresa of Sicily, herself daughter of Maria Carolina of Austria-Lorraine, who was next-elder sister of Marie Antoinette. Shilkanni ( talk) 07:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Even in german, the spelling of her name seems to have been Erzherzogin Marie Louise, and not Maria Luise! reference TheRationalGuitarist ( talk) 18:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
The illustrating portrait is from Isabey, who was an imperial portraitist, and shows obviously the Empress of the French, and surely not the Duchess of Parma, as said in the caption... -- 82.123.215.124 ( talk) 00:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
At http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Luigia_d%27Austria#mediaviewer/File:Maria_Luigia_Duchess_of_Parma.jpg there is a copy of the decree, published on 29 February 1816, stating her decision that her title must be:
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Is this the most appropriate title for the article? All but one of the other languages' articles call her "Marie Louise of Austria." (The other just calls her "Marie Louise"). This is the only one that uses the "Duchess of Parma" title. Funnyhat 05:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Marie Louise, Duchess of Parma → Marie Louise of Austria, Duchess of Parma or Marie Louise of Austria — As Marie Louise was Empress of the French, she is typically known, or at least identified, as a member of the House of Austria. Given that, and the importance of her pre-marital status in her selection as an imperial bride, I think it would be appropriate to rename this page Marie Louise of Austria, Duchess of Parma or even Marie Louise of Austria. — Charles 05:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
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2008-01-11 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.208.93.34 ( talk) 17:55, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, but I thought the French royal family have been named “de Capet” as long as they have had any surname. Monarchs and their families does have surnames at least during later centuries. However, they rarely use them. I myself use them only about those which where ether not born royal or had lost their titles. Is not the present-day heir to the royal French throne named de Capet? How about king Juan Carlos of Spain? If I have understood it correctly both of them are descendants of king Louis XIV of France. So where Marie Antoinette's husband. 2008-01-11 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.208.93.34 ( talk) 18:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Napoléon I once refered to Marie Antoinette as ”the vidow de Capet”. (This was two years before he came to power.) However, he did not know her and might had made the same mistake as me. Anyway, the surname issue is a bit of topic. I originaly asked how Marie Louise was related to Marie Antoinette. You wrote that she was her grandnice. Does that mean she was the sister of her paternal grandfather? I wounder because want to be able to express their relationship in Swedish. This language has more words for realtives than English has.
2008-01-15 Lena Synnerholm, Märsta, Sweden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.233.151.44 ( talk) 11:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
How patriarchalist. Why are people always thinking kinship via men first? While it is true that Marie Antoinette was sister of Marie Louise's paternal grandfather, an equally close and genetically more important kinship however is that Marie Antoinette was sister of Marie Louise's maternal grandmother, and they shared the same mitochondrial DNA. Marie Louise was daughter of Maria Teresa of Sicily, herself daughter of Maria Carolina of Austria-Lorraine, who was next-elder sister of Marie Antoinette. Shilkanni ( talk) 07:46, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Even in german, the spelling of her name seems to have been Erzherzogin Marie Louise, and not Maria Luise! reference TheRationalGuitarist ( talk) 18:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
The illustrating portrait is from Isabey, who was an imperial portraitist, and shows obviously the Empress of the French, and surely not the Duchess of Parma, as said in the caption... -- 82.123.215.124 ( talk) 00:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
At http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Luigia_d%27Austria#mediaviewer/File:Maria_Luigia_Duchess_of_Parma.jpg there is a copy of the decree, published on 29 February 1816, stating her decision that her title must be:
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