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Mariano Rivera's pitch control is extraordinary among MLB pitchers with good control (same as his personal control!). I have seen a theater-style presentation by retired physics professor Alan Nathan, former chair of SABR's Science and Baseball group, which includes graphic illustration of this point.
I don't quickly find that presentation online and cannot here check the more recent video (follow these links). These three pages all refer to that research and they or their links may be useful here.
-- P64 ( talk) 15:24, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Starting in the Records section, all new footnotes are pointing to the wrong number in the "References" section e.g. click on 162 ref for "Most career games finished" and it goes to 160 in the footnotes section. I found one way (maybe not the best way) to fix similar problem in Trevor Hoffman article by getting rid of list-defined references. This is a reminder for me or anyone else to clean this up here. More of a problem for people that would print the article than for most who view it online.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
My edit to quantify Gossage's criticism of Rivera was removed out of concerns that the sentence was undue. There is very little that is negative in the article, and mention in a book by an accomplished writer like Charley Rosen seems notable. The subject of Rivera and modern closers in geneal having it easy has been discussed in multiple sources, including the Hall of Fame and ESPN.— Bagumba ( talk) 21:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Just came to this article in order to see an example of a baseball FA, and noticed this imprecision in the lede. One only becomes eligible for the Hall after five years have elapsed since retirement, not "upon retirement," so in plain language that sentence was incorrect. I checked the cited source and found another issue in that the reference only represents one sportswriter's opinion, not "sportswriters". So I tweaked it for correctness on both counts while still trying to keep the tone of the original, although I'm not entirely pleased with the result. But I didn't want to drive-by-edit an FA without explaining myself, and I hope noone minds. -- Threephi ( talk) 00:58, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the two people killed Rivera's pool ? Sure seems like that should be somewhere in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.5.133 ( talk) 18:31, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
The citation used references a televised broadcast from Sunday Night Baseball without a timestamp, making it difficult to verify even if one were to get access to the entire game video. Woudn't want to watch the entire 3 hrs. This tweet would be easier to verify. However, with all of Mo's accomplishments, and given that most save milestones in the media are mentioned in increments of 10's and not 5's, I think the article could be tightened with the 25- and 35-save milestones removed, as they seem somewhat trivial. I'm sure Elias et al has similar 26- and 36-save records too.— Bagumba ( talk) 20:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
I have never heard anyone say the phrase "saves champion" in common use. When I look at Baseball-Reference, the section with relevant stats on this subject is called " Yearly League Leaders & Records for Saves". When I look at Baseball Almanac, it's called " Single Season Leaders for Saves". When I look at MLB.com, the link to get to that section is called " Regular Season Pitching Leaders". A Google search of "baseball 'saves champion'" returns just over 5,000 results, none of which appear to be from reliable sources. I don't know where this language came from, but "saves leader" seems to be more common for describing someone who has led in the saves category. "Champion" seems to indicate much more ceremony and accomplishment, something that does not come to mind when thinking of leading a league in saves. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 02:48, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
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Mariano Rivera's pitch control is extraordinary among MLB pitchers with good control (same as his personal control!). I have seen a theater-style presentation by retired physics professor Alan Nathan, former chair of SABR's Science and Baseball group, which includes graphic illustration of this point.
I don't quickly find that presentation online and cannot here check the more recent video (follow these links). These three pages all refer to that research and they or their links may be useful here.
-- P64 ( talk) 15:24, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Starting in the Records section, all new footnotes are pointing to the wrong number in the "References" section e.g. click on 162 ref for "Most career games finished" and it goes to 160 in the footnotes section. I found one way (maybe not the best way) to fix similar problem in Trevor Hoffman article by getting rid of list-defined references. This is a reminder for me or anyone else to clean this up here. More of a problem for people that would print the article than for most who view it online.— Bagumba ( talk) 01:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
My edit to quantify Gossage's criticism of Rivera was removed out of concerns that the sentence was undue. There is very little that is negative in the article, and mention in a book by an accomplished writer like Charley Rosen seems notable. The subject of Rivera and modern closers in geneal having it easy has been discussed in multiple sources, including the Hall of Fame and ESPN.— Bagumba ( talk) 21:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Just came to this article in order to see an example of a baseball FA, and noticed this imprecision in the lede. One only becomes eligible for the Hall after five years have elapsed since retirement, not "upon retirement," so in plain language that sentence was incorrect. I checked the cited source and found another issue in that the reference only represents one sportswriter's opinion, not "sportswriters". So I tweaked it for correctness on both counts while still trying to keep the tone of the original, although I'm not entirely pleased with the result. But I didn't want to drive-by-edit an FA without explaining myself, and I hope noone minds. -- Threephi ( talk) 00:58, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the two people killed Rivera's pool ? Sure seems like that should be somewhere in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.193.5.133 ( talk) 18:31, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
The citation used references a televised broadcast from Sunday Night Baseball without a timestamp, making it difficult to verify even if one were to get access to the entire game video. Woudn't want to watch the entire 3 hrs. This tweet would be easier to verify. However, with all of Mo's accomplishments, and given that most save milestones in the media are mentioned in increments of 10's and not 5's, I think the article could be tightened with the 25- and 35-save milestones removed, as they seem somewhat trivial. I'm sure Elias et al has similar 26- and 36-save records too.— Bagumba ( talk) 20:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
I have never heard anyone say the phrase "saves champion" in common use. When I look at Baseball-Reference, the section with relevant stats on this subject is called " Yearly League Leaders & Records for Saves". When I look at Baseball Almanac, it's called " Single Season Leaders for Saves". When I look at MLB.com, the link to get to that section is called " Regular Season Pitching Leaders". A Google search of "baseball 'saves champion'" returns just over 5,000 results, none of which appear to be from reliable sources. I don't know where this language came from, but "saves leader" seems to be more common for describing someone who has led in the saves category. "Champion" seems to indicate much more ceremony and accomplishment, something that does not come to mind when thinking of leading a league in saves. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 ( talk • contributions) 02:48, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
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