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Anyone knows why did he lose his Intel Fellow title in 1983?
The following line was added by 152.163.100.5. It is not valid English, has no context, and is not sourced.
He won a competition when he was 15 to Washington DC.
Sheldrake 21:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello fellow editors! This is about this edit and its revert.
I was involved in the most recent round of the years-long debate over this comma. The current community consensus is that that comma is a style element—in other words, there is no "correct" usage of it for any individual, only varying styles used by different sources. English Wikipedia's house style is no-comma.
As a compromise, the community decided that the comma can be used in cases where (1) the living subject individual can be shown to clearly and consistently prefer the comma, -OR- (2) all reliable sources include the comma. That's all, not most. I didn't have to look very far to find these two reliable sources that omit the comma:
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/01/business/atari-hires-inventor-of-microprocessor-chip.html?mcubz=0
https://books.google.com/books?id=UUbB3d2UnaAC&pg=PA390&lpg=PA390&dq=marcian+hoff +jr&source=bl&ots=SdjZPbZP3d&sig=nkRViLlvsLCpSYWNlgOp2G84KD8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH4OCjiMTWAhUO5WMKHRaIDpU4ChDoAQg3MAQ#v=onepage&q=marcian%20hoff%20jr&f=false
It's a high bar, and it was intended to be high. I'm not aware of a case that has cleared it, and I and others have already modified thousands of articles to remove the comma. Unless someone wishes to claim that the The New York Times is not a reliable source, or can show that Mr. Hoff clearly and consistently uses the comma, there is nothing to discuss here, and I'm removing the comma again. ― Mandruss ☎ 00:59, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Glrx: Ok, with this revert you are now making up your own rules and edit warring. Please show me in WP:JR where it says that the only sources that matter are those used in refs. I will give you 24 hours to respond intelligently here, and then I will revert once again. ― Mandruss ☎ 02:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
You acknowledge that you are a long-term MOS warrior on an inflexible campaign.I acknowledge nothing of the sort. I stated that I am one of several editors who have devoted a significant amount of our time to implementing this community consensus. Not that we are the only ones doing these edits, I regularly see others doing them in smaller numbers, and that includes editors with more years than I. So "MOS warrior" is a misplaced criticism here, even if it's an appropriate one in any context. But I see you are one of those who refuse to abide by the community consensus because you disagree with it, inventing rationales that are nowhere to be seen in the guideline. I don't think WP:IAR means we can ignore a community consensus because we disagree with it.
@ Glrx: I think 10 days is long enough to wait for more participation. Regardless, after reflection I doubt I would defer to a local consensus in this case anyway, per WP:CONLEVEL. Are you still adamantly opposed to this edit? ― Mandruss ☎ 16:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Given their editing activity since my above ping, I can only assume that Glrx has withdrawn from this discussion. That ends the BRD process and I'm reinstating my edit. ― Mandruss ☎ 15:24, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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Anyone knows why did he lose his Intel Fellow title in 1983?
The following line was added by 152.163.100.5. It is not valid English, has no context, and is not sourced.
He won a competition when he was 15 to Washington DC.
Sheldrake 21:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello fellow editors! This is about this edit and its revert.
I was involved in the most recent round of the years-long debate over this comma. The current community consensus is that that comma is a style element—in other words, there is no "correct" usage of it for any individual, only varying styles used by different sources. English Wikipedia's house style is no-comma.
As a compromise, the community decided that the comma can be used in cases where (1) the living subject individual can be shown to clearly and consistently prefer the comma, -OR- (2) all reliable sources include the comma. That's all, not most. I didn't have to look very far to find these two reliable sources that omit the comma:
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/02/01/business/atari-hires-inventor-of-microprocessor-chip.html?mcubz=0
https://books.google.com/books?id=UUbB3d2UnaAC&pg=PA390&lpg=PA390&dq=marcian+hoff +jr&source=bl&ots=SdjZPbZP3d&sig=nkRViLlvsLCpSYWNlgOp2G84KD8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjH4OCjiMTWAhUO5WMKHRaIDpU4ChDoAQg3MAQ#v=onepage&q=marcian%20hoff%20jr&f=false
It's a high bar, and it was intended to be high. I'm not aware of a case that has cleared it, and I and others have already modified thousands of articles to remove the comma. Unless someone wishes to claim that the The New York Times is not a reliable source, or can show that Mr. Hoff clearly and consistently uses the comma, there is nothing to discuss here, and I'm removing the comma again. ― Mandruss ☎ 00:59, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
@ Glrx: Ok, with this revert you are now making up your own rules and edit warring. Please show me in WP:JR where it says that the only sources that matter are those used in refs. I will give you 24 hours to respond intelligently here, and then I will revert once again. ― Mandruss ☎ 02:28, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
You acknowledge that you are a long-term MOS warrior on an inflexible campaign.I acknowledge nothing of the sort. I stated that I am one of several editors who have devoted a significant amount of our time to implementing this community consensus. Not that we are the only ones doing these edits, I regularly see others doing them in smaller numbers, and that includes editors with more years than I. So "MOS warrior" is a misplaced criticism here, even if it's an appropriate one in any context. But I see you are one of those who refuse to abide by the community consensus because you disagree with it, inventing rationales that are nowhere to be seen in the guideline. I don't think WP:IAR means we can ignore a community consensus because we disagree with it.
@ Glrx: I think 10 days is long enough to wait for more participation. Regardless, after reflection I doubt I would defer to a local consensus in this case anyway, per WP:CONLEVEL. Are you still adamantly opposed to this edit? ― Mandruss ☎ 16:58, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
Given their editing activity since my above ping, I can only assume that Glrx has withdrawn from this discussion. That ends the BRD process and I'm reinstating my edit. ― Mandruss ☎ 15:24, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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