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This battle doesnt exist and this page should be deleted, along with the attock battle page and any sections in any pages giving a notion that marathas had a presence north of sonipat, until they were checked at panipat much later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:DE0:2F98:D428:3E3C:773C:4BA4 ( talk) 02:00, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
The Marathas were clearly not an Empire, they deny being a Confederacy...therefore they should just be called Marathas — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
182.182.56.188 (
talk) 08:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is garbage... Exactly one reference listed suggests a Marhatta presence in Peshawar (Alexander M), while even the Indian sources espouse the standard narrative of a Sikh backed occupation till Attock. I reiterate... This article is misleading and should be binned. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.44.50.173 (
talk)
01:48, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken marathas had help from the mughals and sikhs in their battles in Punjab. This article needs to state how long the marathas held on to Peshawar. I think it was less than one year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.116.58 ( talk) 16:32, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
This is made up history. Only reference to a Marhatta presence was when they were routed at Hasan Abdal by Khattaks fighting in the name of Ahmad Shah. If this really happened, you wouldn't be struggling to find references for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.245.214 ( talk) 00:12, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The article does not mention the actual battle which is the main topic of the article. Except the battle the article has everything. The citations also doesn't mention any such battle. I think this article is just some kind of a boast, I propose that the article should be deleted. Hiensrt ( talk) 19:02, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
"Maratha soldiers in Peshawar reportedly took home many Peshawari women to Pune," looks unsourced. It has been challenged. It should be left out unless it can be reliably sourced. This whole page has sourcing problems. Non of the cites display cited content, and it is impossible to determine what sources to where. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:36, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
User:Hiensrt is removing refs as an act of vandalism, he had proposed deletion of this article too. [1]. Removing refs is not ok. Crashed greek ( talk) 05:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Article [4], under section "Others" shows that author Jeneet Sorokhaibam is not reliable. This is what it says:
Chhatrapati Shivaji: The Maratha Warrior and His Campaign by Jeneet Sorokhaibam (Vij Books, 2013)For example, see page 139: "Afzal Khan felt that the ensuing battle..." Copied from the 2012 version of the Wikipedia article on Afzal Khan (general).
Also author Abhas Verma is not reliable as he has no professional expertise in the area and is writer by choice. Also the writer is a regular user on quora as well and a blogger. Here is his profile, [5]
Therefore, updated and more accurate information from academic scholars with citations were added, to replace the unreliable sources above. MehmoodS ( talk) 08:57, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Bbb23 can you please shed some light here? The article heavily relied on unreliable sources I mentioned above, which shows the unreliability of the source but crashed greek states that the article [6] is just an essay. And the article also did not follow proper citation templates which I made a fix and improvement on. And now crashed greek is reverting all changes including citations from academic historians/scholars I added to the article. MehmoodS ( talk) 09:26, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Crashed greek Please join the discussion to reach a consensus about the reliability of the sources above before reverting any changes. Like I have shown that the article clearly shows why author Jeneet Sorokhaibam is unreliable. He plagiarizes from Wikipedia itself. On the other hand, Abhas Verma is just a random writer, a quora user and blogger who is writer as hobby and is actually an IT employee working in Bangalore. So that is why I replaced these sources with citations from real academic scholars and information provided by scholars, which you removed as well earlier. If you think that the above two sources of Jeneet and Abhas are still reliable, then please get a vote on WP:RS noticeboard and if the conclusion is to keep these sources, then I would have absolutely no problem readding them along with the extra citations and changes I applied. Does that sound reasonable? MehmoodS ( talk) 11:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
It took place over two months, really? Slatersteven ( talk) 16:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
There is a suggestion we turn this into a redirect, and also I would suggest a rename as well to Capture of Peshawar (1758). Slatersteven ( talk) 16:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
As there is no source supporting there was a battle here. Slatersteven ( talk) 16:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The discussion [15] was only about 2 sources Jeneet Sorokhaibam and Abhas Verma. But other sources like [1] [2] [3] [4] are not disputed. So those tags should be removed. Crashed greek ( talk) 07:04, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
References
The Marathas attacked soon after and, with some help from the Sikhs, managed to capture Attock, Peshawar, and Multan between April and May 1758.
Hello @ Slatersteven, what did you want a source for exactly, when you reverted my edit? PadFoot2008 13:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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This battle doesnt exist and this page should be deleted, along with the attock battle page and any sections in any pages giving a notion that marathas had a presence north of sonipat, until they were checked at panipat much later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:DE0:2F98:D428:3E3C:773C:4BA4 ( talk) 02:00, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
The Marathas were clearly not an Empire, they deny being a Confederacy...therefore they should just be called Marathas — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
182.182.56.188 (
talk) 08:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
This article is garbage... Exactly one reference listed suggests a Marhatta presence in Peshawar (Alexander M), while even the Indian sources espouse the standard narrative of a Sikh backed occupation till Attock. I reiterate... This article is misleading and should be binned. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
82.44.50.173 (
talk)
01:48, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
If I'm not mistaken marathas had help from the mughals and sikhs in their battles in Punjab. This article needs to state how long the marathas held on to Peshawar. I think it was less than one year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.53.116.58 ( talk) 16:32, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
This is made up history. Only reference to a Marhatta presence was when they were routed at Hasan Abdal by Khattaks fighting in the name of Ahmad Shah. If this really happened, you wouldn't be struggling to find references for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.245.214 ( talk) 00:12, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
The article does not mention the actual battle which is the main topic of the article. Except the battle the article has everything. The citations also doesn't mention any such battle. I think this article is just some kind of a boast, I propose that the article should be deleted. Hiensrt ( talk) 19:02, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
"Maratha soldiers in Peshawar reportedly took home many Peshawari women to Pune," looks unsourced. It has been challenged. It should be left out unless it can be reliably sourced. This whole page has sourcing problems. Non of the cites display cited content, and it is impossible to determine what sources to where. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:36, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
User:Hiensrt is removing refs as an act of vandalism, he had proposed deletion of this article too. [1]. Removing refs is not ok. Crashed greek ( talk) 05:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Article [4], under section "Others" shows that author Jeneet Sorokhaibam is not reliable. This is what it says:
Chhatrapati Shivaji: The Maratha Warrior and His Campaign by Jeneet Sorokhaibam (Vij Books, 2013)For example, see page 139: "Afzal Khan felt that the ensuing battle..." Copied from the 2012 version of the Wikipedia article on Afzal Khan (general).
Also author Abhas Verma is not reliable as he has no professional expertise in the area and is writer by choice. Also the writer is a regular user on quora as well and a blogger. Here is his profile, [5]
Therefore, updated and more accurate information from academic scholars with citations were added, to replace the unreliable sources above. MehmoodS ( talk) 08:57, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Bbb23 can you please shed some light here? The article heavily relied on unreliable sources I mentioned above, which shows the unreliability of the source but crashed greek states that the article [6] is just an essay. And the article also did not follow proper citation templates which I made a fix and improvement on. And now crashed greek is reverting all changes including citations from academic historians/scholars I added to the article. MehmoodS ( talk) 09:26, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Crashed greek Please join the discussion to reach a consensus about the reliability of the sources above before reverting any changes. Like I have shown that the article clearly shows why author Jeneet Sorokhaibam is unreliable. He plagiarizes from Wikipedia itself. On the other hand, Abhas Verma is just a random writer, a quora user and blogger who is writer as hobby and is actually an IT employee working in Bangalore. So that is why I replaced these sources with citations from real academic scholars and information provided by scholars, which you removed as well earlier. If you think that the above two sources of Jeneet and Abhas are still reliable, then please get a vote on WP:RS noticeboard and if the conclusion is to keep these sources, then I would have absolutely no problem readding them along with the extra citations and changes I applied. Does that sound reasonable? MehmoodS ( talk) 11:13, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
It took place over two months, really? Slatersteven ( talk) 16:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
There is a suggestion we turn this into a redirect, and also I would suggest a rename as well to Capture of Peshawar (1758). Slatersteven ( talk) 16:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
As there is no source supporting there was a battle here. Slatersteven ( talk) 16:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
The discussion [15] was only about 2 sources Jeneet Sorokhaibam and Abhas Verma. But other sources like [1] [2] [3] [4] are not disputed. So those tags should be removed. Crashed greek ( talk) 07:04, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
References
The Marathas attacked soon after and, with some help from the Sikhs, managed to capture Attock, Peshawar, and Multan between April and May 1758.
Hello @ Slatersteven, what did you want a source for exactly, when you reverted my edit? PadFoot2008 13:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)