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As it stands the article gives the highly misleading impression that it the play was originally written in English. I don't have time to do the research to improve the article significantly, but at least I can and do give the German title and clarify that it was written in that language. -- Haruo 19:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the article is far too heavily based on the English language Peter Brook/Royal Shakespeare production and film. Most of the articles have blatant inaccuracies due to this or a misunderstanding of Peter Weiss's intentions for the play and in so make generalized statements of opinion (the 'Plot Summary' was more of an elaborated statement of the dramatic situation.) I cleaned up the music portion of the article a bit- attempting to distinguish between Marat/Sade the play and Marat/Sade the production and film by Peter Brook. Most of this was due to my basic knowledge of the production and its various products (film, scripts, scores, soundtracks). I have researched the original German Productions where Weiss played an intricate role but at the moment I do not have the data available. Also productions of the show were taking place on both sides of the iron curtain including both east and west germany. This divided the political slant of the play for both producers and the writer. This including a semi-radical production in the east german city Rostock offering a proactive leftist view point championing Marat's political ideals to counter the de Sade heavy view points of productions in the west. This production caused P. Weiss to re-write the play in favor of Marat (an alternate English translation of this version can be found in The German Library Vol. 92: Peter Weiss- published by The Continuum International Publishing Company and edited by Robert Cohen). I could try to clean up the article further but I would like to have more concrete info before I do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
Surely this article should use the film's full name for it's title, rather than the shortened one? It should be moved, really... 217.205.110.52 ( talk) 18:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Sam. First, I have to offer my apologies for edit warring over the picture that you are trying to add to Marat/Sade. I have self reverted my last change. You will want to join the conversation that I have started here [1] to make your case for the inclusion of this pic. I know that you are trying to improve the page. My interpretation of the current picture policy, which is highly restrictive, is that the picture would be removed now or latter. However, this is just one editors opinion. If the consensus is that it can be included I would only ask that the size of it is reduced. What I really wish is that you had a picture of the actor Ian Richardson recreating David's pose from the film. Again apologies and happy editing. MarnetteD | Talk 00:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of moving the following discussion from the Film Project talk page so everything is in one place . . .
Hello to the members of the film project. User:Sam wants to add J.L. David's picture of the slain Marat to the page for the play and film Marat/Sade as seen here [3]. I have objected to this based on the fact that the picture has virtually nothing to do with either the play or the film. I am using the highly restrictive nature of the current pictures policy as the basis for this thought. The argument that it represents the historical events that this play is based on has some flaws for me. It is David's idealized representation of an event that he was not in attendence at. The play/film is about a group of people locked in asylum creating an event that none of them saw. Thus, we have a one artists painted fiction representing another set of artists theatrical fiction. Unfortunately, I have removed it a second time before coming here to ask for comments and a consensus. I apologize for jumping the gun and I will replace it after I am done typing here. My question to the members of the film project is to help us decide whether this picture is appropriate to this page. If the consensus is to leave this picture as part of the article I would ask that it be reduced in size as, in its current form, it dominates the page. Thank you in advance for your time and attention in this matter. MarnetteD | Talk 00:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Now for my two cents . . . As I understand it, MarnetteD's primary objection to the image is the fact it has no relation to the Peter Weiss play or the film adapted from it. I would have to agree with that assessment. The image with this article is suitable for the one about the Marquis de Sade, but its placement here doesn't make sense. That it's in the public domain is irrelevant; it doesn't pertain to any production of the play or the film, which is the key issue. Surely there must be a screenshot or even an image of the Playbill from the Broadway production that could replace what's here at the moment. MovieMadness ( talk) 14:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I substituted the image of the cover of the 2001 paperback edition of the play. Any objections to this change can be made here. MovieMadness ( talk) 19:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Rented the film tonight, and took a screenshot of the scene where the painting is copied. Put them both back in the article. -- ☑ SamuelWantman 06:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to say hello and let you know that I'm trying to add a brief sub-section pertaining to a few lesser-known but notable productions of the play. I've added three to the article (which I must say is quite fine), and am tracking down several more. Citations are proving to be more of a difficulty than I'd anticipated, but I'm still working on that as well. I added a review of the film version by Variety to the appropriate chapter, btw. Evalpor ( talk) 21:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
"The first recording of the show was a three-LP set released in 1964 by Caedmon Records. This was a complete audio recording of the original Broadway production." Surely this is wrong; the article describes the original production in English as having been by the Royal Shakespeare Company, and the Broadway production as having opened in December 1965. Perhaps "Broadway" in the quote is a mistake and should read "London"? Harfarhs ( talk) 20:38, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Copied text and reference from Marat/Sade to Charenton (asylum). See former article's history for names of contributors. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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None of the 'other notable productions' seems particularly important, except perhaps the RSC revival; most of the entries look like self-promotion. Are there official criteria? Should I just delete them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoAdamite ( talk • contribs) 04:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to add the 1967 production at UC Irvine to the list of notable productions. The lead actors were Bob Gunton and Robert Cohen (playwright). Gunton is a notable actor and Cohen is a well known playwright who also has written about Peter Weiss. That seems notable enough to me. Thoughts? Justinkrivers ( talk) 15:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
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As it stands the article gives the highly misleading impression that it the play was originally written in English. I don't have time to do the research to improve the article significantly, but at least I can and do give the German title and clarify that it was written in that language. -- Haruo 19:47, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the article is far too heavily based on the English language Peter Brook/Royal Shakespeare production and film. Most of the articles have blatant inaccuracies due to this or a misunderstanding of Peter Weiss's intentions for the play and in so make generalized statements of opinion (the 'Plot Summary' was more of an elaborated statement of the dramatic situation.) I cleaned up the music portion of the article a bit- attempting to distinguish between Marat/Sade the play and Marat/Sade the production and film by Peter Brook. Most of this was due to my basic knowledge of the production and its various products (film, scripts, scores, soundtracks). I have researched the original German Productions where Weiss played an intricate role but at the moment I do not have the data available. Also productions of the show were taking place on both sides of the iron curtain including both east and west germany. This divided the political slant of the play for both producers and the writer. This including a semi-radical production in the east german city Rostock offering a proactive leftist view point championing Marat's political ideals to counter the de Sade heavy view points of productions in the west. This production caused P. Weiss to re-write the play in favor of Marat (an alternate English translation of this version can be found in The German Library Vol. 92: Peter Weiss- published by The Continuum International Publishing Company and edited by Robert Cohen). I could try to clean up the article further but I would like to have more concrete info before I do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
Surely this article should use the film's full name for it's title, rather than the shortened one? It should be moved, really... 217.205.110.52 ( talk) 18:33, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Sam. First, I have to offer my apologies for edit warring over the picture that you are trying to add to Marat/Sade. I have self reverted my last change. You will want to join the conversation that I have started here [1] to make your case for the inclusion of this pic. I know that you are trying to improve the page. My interpretation of the current picture policy, which is highly restrictive, is that the picture would be removed now or latter. However, this is just one editors opinion. If the consensus is that it can be included I would only ask that the size of it is reduced. What I really wish is that you had a picture of the actor Ian Richardson recreating David's pose from the film. Again apologies and happy editing. MarnetteD | Talk 00:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I have taken the liberty of moving the following discussion from the Film Project talk page so everything is in one place . . .
Hello to the members of the film project. User:Sam wants to add J.L. David's picture of the slain Marat to the page for the play and film Marat/Sade as seen here [3]. I have objected to this based on the fact that the picture has virtually nothing to do with either the play or the film. I am using the highly restrictive nature of the current pictures policy as the basis for this thought. The argument that it represents the historical events that this play is based on has some flaws for me. It is David's idealized representation of an event that he was not in attendence at. The play/film is about a group of people locked in asylum creating an event that none of them saw. Thus, we have a one artists painted fiction representing another set of artists theatrical fiction. Unfortunately, I have removed it a second time before coming here to ask for comments and a consensus. I apologize for jumping the gun and I will replace it after I am done typing here. My question to the members of the film project is to help us decide whether this picture is appropriate to this page. If the consensus is to leave this picture as part of the article I would ask that it be reduced in size as, in its current form, it dominates the page. Thank you in advance for your time and attention in this matter. MarnetteD | Talk 00:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Now for my two cents . . . As I understand it, MarnetteD's primary objection to the image is the fact it has no relation to the Peter Weiss play or the film adapted from it. I would have to agree with that assessment. The image with this article is suitable for the one about the Marquis de Sade, but its placement here doesn't make sense. That it's in the public domain is irrelevant; it doesn't pertain to any production of the play or the film, which is the key issue. Surely there must be a screenshot or even an image of the Playbill from the Broadway production that could replace what's here at the moment. MovieMadness ( talk) 14:16, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I substituted the image of the cover of the 2001 paperback edition of the play. Any objections to this change can be made here. MovieMadness ( talk) 19:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
Rented the film tonight, and took a screenshot of the scene where the painting is copied. Put them both back in the article. -- ☑ SamuelWantman 06:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to say hello and let you know that I'm trying to add a brief sub-section pertaining to a few lesser-known but notable productions of the play. I've added three to the article (which I must say is quite fine), and am tracking down several more. Citations are proving to be more of a difficulty than I'd anticipated, but I'm still working on that as well. I added a review of the film version by Variety to the appropriate chapter, btw. Evalpor ( talk) 21:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
"The first recording of the show was a three-LP set released in 1964 by Caedmon Records. This was a complete audio recording of the original Broadway production." Surely this is wrong; the article describes the original production in English as having been by the Royal Shakespeare Company, and the Broadway production as having opened in December 1965. Perhaps "Broadway" in the quote is a mistake and should read "London"? Harfarhs ( talk) 20:38, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Copied text and reference from Marat/Sade to Charenton (asylum). See former article's history for names of contributors. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
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None of the 'other notable productions' seems particularly important, except perhaps the RSC revival; most of the entries look like self-promotion. Are there official criteria? Should I just delete them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoAdamite ( talk • contribs) 04:17, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
I'd like to add the 1967 production at UC Irvine to the list of notable productions. The lead actors were Bob Gunton and Robert Cohen (playwright). Gunton is a notable actor and Cohen is a well known playwright who also has written about Peter Weiss. That seems notable enough to me. Thoughts? Justinkrivers ( talk) 15:28, 26 January 2023 (UTC)