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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Neduvelilmathew, Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(clergy)#Syriac_bishops is clear on this; if you believe this is not correct then the best place to resolve your concerns would be at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions. fish& karate 15:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
– Relisted. Favonian ( talk) 11:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC) Names of this ancient historical church clergy at the higher level is not given in the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (clergy). These new titles given to these Malankara Metropolitans and bishops are ridiculus and insulting. I am a member of this church. So the reverting. Neduvelilmathew ( talk) 14:09, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Cuchullain,
Marthoma (Mar Thoma in English), is the name given to the head of the Malankara Church at the time of his consecration. Head of this Church is addressed only by the name, ‘’Marthoma’’ and not by any other name. Even their parents call them, ‘’Mar Thoma’’. Their baptismal names are unknown and giving them the name Thoma by Wikipedia is not correct and acceptable.
I did not know that Wikipedia is authorized to change the names of people according to some ‘’Naming Conventions’’ that they make. Respected people must always be respected. The name Elizabeth is very common. Her Majesty should be respected and her name should be given correctly. The name Thoma is very common in Kerala. ‘’Mar Thoma’’ should be respected and the name should not be changed. Neduvelilmathew ( talk) 17:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: all moved Kotniski ( talk) 10:15, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I think this needs to be reopened, as move-warring has clouded the issue. It seems from the above discussion that no-one has yet countered the claim that the current names (without "Mar") are simply not used. If that is the case, then we absolutely can't use those names - if there's a guideline that tells us to, then it means there's something wrong with the guideline, not with the proposed titles. As was said somewhere above, Wikipedia does not make stuff up. Can someone who supports the shorter names provide some sources to support them? If not, then we need the articles to be moved and the guideline updated. Kotniski ( talk) 07:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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Mar Thoma 1 is not from pakalomattom family. His actual name is Thomas de Campo means Parambil Thoma Lathamar and he was a couscin of Alexander da Campo of kalli family Tony kokkat ( talk) 07:35, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Neduvelilmathew, Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(clergy)#Syriac_bishops is clear on this; if you believe this is not correct then the best place to resolve your concerns would be at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions. fish& karate 15:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
– Relisted. Favonian ( talk) 11:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC) Names of this ancient historical church clergy at the higher level is not given in the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (clergy). These new titles given to these Malankara Metropolitans and bishops are ridiculus and insulting. I am a member of this church. So the reverting. Neduvelilmathew ( talk) 14:09, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Cuchullain,
Marthoma (Mar Thoma in English), is the name given to the head of the Malankara Church at the time of his consecration. Head of this Church is addressed only by the name, ‘’Marthoma’’ and not by any other name. Even their parents call them, ‘’Mar Thoma’’. Their baptismal names are unknown and giving them the name Thoma by Wikipedia is not correct and acceptable.
I did not know that Wikipedia is authorized to change the names of people according to some ‘’Naming Conventions’’ that they make. Respected people must always be respected. The name Elizabeth is very common. Her Majesty should be respected and her name should be given correctly. The name Thoma is very common in Kerala. ‘’Mar Thoma’’ should be respected and the name should not be changed. Neduvelilmathew ( talk) 17:19, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: all moved Kotniski ( talk) 10:15, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
I think this needs to be reopened, as move-warring has clouded the issue. It seems from the above discussion that no-one has yet countered the claim that the current names (without "Mar") are simply not used. If that is the case, then we absolutely can't use those names - if there's a guideline that tells us to, then it means there's something wrong with the guideline, not with the proposed titles. As was said somewhere above, Wikipedia does not make stuff up. Can someone who supports the shorter names provide some sources to support them? If not, then we need the articles to be moved and the guideline updated. Kotniski ( talk) 07:25, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
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Mar Thoma 1 is not from pakalomattom family. His actual name is Thomas de Campo means Parambil Thoma Lathamar and he was a couscin of Alexander da Campo of kalli family Tony kokkat ( talk) 07:35, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
The image used in the info box is of Giwargis of Christ. J.Stalin S Talk 07:39, 9 November 2023 (UTC)