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What are the chances that I should have translated alcalde as "justice of the peace" instead of "mayor"?
Is there too much detail on the battle of Santa Fe? Maybe some of the material in this article belongs there, but I thought it was all revealing of Armijo's character. — JerryFriedman 01:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Alcalde Mayores were people whose job it was to settle disputes between the Spanish colonists. The governor usually chose them. They were more than just judges, they were respected leaders in the community. They were not mayors.
Manuel Armijo's story has always been told by the conquerors. He wasn't the villain that the Americans always made him out to be.
For one thing, the troops that he had at Apache Canyon (the actual place he position himself to defend New Mexico, not Santa Fe)
were civilian militia who were poorly equipped and trained. The story I've always heard about him is that this army was so poorly trained Manuel felt it was better to save their lives than fight in a battle they were doomed to all die from. He simply accepted the inevitable, and disbanded the militia. According to Thomas E. Chávez in his book New Mexico, Past and Future, Manuel had asked for reinforcements be sent from Mexico, and when none arrive, he decided it was best to send the militia home.
There are many stories about Manuel Armijo. He was indeed a colorful character, but many of these stories are made up. Most are unflattering.
Most of us who have ancestry in among Manuel's brothers, uncles, etc. have heard the stories our ancestors passed down, and that was that Manuel was a scapegoat for the newcomers who invaded New Mexico. Another thing is that he stood up for the Hispanic land grants that were quickly being snatched up by the Americans.
Before 1850, Armijo was living at his residence in Lemitar New Mexico, which lies, between Belén and Socorro. He is even is listed in the 1850 census (Census Place: Limitar, Valencia, New Mexico Territory; Roll: M432_470; Page: 331; Image: 252.) of Lemitar misspelled Limitar. My great grandfather was also living in Lemitar at the time. Manuel died on the 23rd of January in 1954, not in Mexico, but in Lemitar, Valencia County, New Mexico Territory. Cybergata 22:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
— JerryFriedman 23:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
User: Wikiphan I'm a bit surprised that a famous expression that has been attributed to Governor Armijo is not mentioned in this article. ("Poor New Mexico! So far from heaven and so close to Texas!") I understand there is little support for the attribution, but even that fact should be incorporated since the expression is oft-quoted. The expression is referred to in the Richard Bradford best seller "So Far From Heaven." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.154.9 ( talk) 21:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC) 192.195.154.9 ( talk) 21:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC) I made the comment immediately above. Alfred Chavez 18 October 2012 192.195.154.9 ( talk) 21:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Was Armijo an American citizen in later life? Does anyone know what he claimed to be his actual motivation in not fighting the Americans? 71.28.111.57 11:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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Glad to see inline citations. Consider crafting a lead according to WP:LEAD and breaking it up into sections. plange 06:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC) |
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What are the chances that I should have translated alcalde as "justice of the peace" instead of "mayor"?
Is there too much detail on the battle of Santa Fe? Maybe some of the material in this article belongs there, but I thought it was all revealing of Armijo's character. — JerryFriedman 01:50, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Alcalde Mayores were people whose job it was to settle disputes between the Spanish colonists. The governor usually chose them. They were more than just judges, they were respected leaders in the community. They were not mayors.
Manuel Armijo's story has always been told by the conquerors. He wasn't the villain that the Americans always made him out to be.
For one thing, the troops that he had at Apache Canyon (the actual place he position himself to defend New Mexico, not Santa Fe)
were civilian militia who were poorly equipped and trained. The story I've always heard about him is that this army was so poorly trained Manuel felt it was better to save their lives than fight in a battle they were doomed to all die from. He simply accepted the inevitable, and disbanded the militia. According to Thomas E. Chávez in his book New Mexico, Past and Future, Manuel had asked for reinforcements be sent from Mexico, and when none arrive, he decided it was best to send the militia home.
There are many stories about Manuel Armijo. He was indeed a colorful character, but many of these stories are made up. Most are unflattering.
Most of us who have ancestry in among Manuel's brothers, uncles, etc. have heard the stories our ancestors passed down, and that was that Manuel was a scapegoat for the newcomers who invaded New Mexico. Another thing is that he stood up for the Hispanic land grants that were quickly being snatched up by the Americans.
Before 1850, Armijo was living at his residence in Lemitar New Mexico, which lies, between Belén and Socorro. He is even is listed in the 1850 census (Census Place: Limitar, Valencia, New Mexico Territory; Roll: M432_470; Page: 331; Image: 252.) of Lemitar misspelled Limitar. My great grandfather was also living in Lemitar at the time. Manuel died on the 23rd of January in 1954, not in Mexico, but in Lemitar, Valencia County, New Mexico Territory. Cybergata 22:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
— JerryFriedman 23:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
User: Wikiphan I'm a bit surprised that a famous expression that has been attributed to Governor Armijo is not mentioned in this article. ("Poor New Mexico! So far from heaven and so close to Texas!") I understand there is little support for the attribution, but even that fact should be incorporated since the expression is oft-quoted. The expression is referred to in the Richard Bradford best seller "So Far From Heaven." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.154.9 ( talk) 21:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC) 192.195.154.9 ( talk) 21:19, 18 October 2012 (UTC) I made the comment immediately above. Alfred Chavez 18 October 2012 192.195.154.9 ( talk) 21:21, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Was Armijo an American citizen in later life? Does anyone know what he claimed to be his actual motivation in not fighting the Americans? 71.28.111.57 11:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Manuel Armijo/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Glad to see inline citations. Consider crafting a lead according to WP:LEAD and breaking it up into sections. plange 06:58, 3 August 2006 (UTC) |
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