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Gerry Adams has not accepted the position. The Speakers Office has stated he has not accepted the position. Exiledone ( talk) 18:20, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12292896
Gerry Adams has officially been appointed to the post according to an announcement by HM treasury on 26 January 2010. Regardless of whether or not he "accepted" the appointment, he now holds the post. Is the proper title: Baron of the Manor of Northstead, with the powers of Crown Steward, High Sheriff and Crown Steward and Bailiff of Manor of Northstead? As a position of profit to the crown - it carries elevation to the House of Lords, temporarily as a Baron (whether accepted or refused or not is not relevant, and although no longer the right to sit there). The question arises as Gerard Adams, being elevated to the House of Lords and not yet having been superceded by the next persons to the office could not have stood for TD in Louth at that time? The Irish Constitution prohibits MP's and Lords from holding elected offices in Leinster house; however the procedure to remove a peerage has been used for Anglo Irish peers to be allowed to leave the Lords to stand for office. Monkety ( talk) 23:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
There is no need to "accept" appointment to the Manor of Northstead, nor to apply for it in order too be granted. The grant of the office is a function performed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer and he has done so in order to give effect to Gerry Adam's resignation. There is no other mechanism by which an MP can resign (see the House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975). In any event, this is not relevant to a page on the manor of Northstead generally. Monkety ( talk) 23:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC) No other mechanism - there are other positions of profit in the Army to the crown, what about Chiltern Hundreds or Master of the Tower of London, just to bring up two that stand out - are you suggesting there are no other mechanism as these have to be formally applied for, resigned, or granted by the Crown, which may have caused problems?
This article has always mentioned who the current appointee is. However, recent events have made the wording of this much more contentious. I suggest we try to agree on a consensus version here before re-instating any mention of Adams in the article. To kick it off, I propose:
I am, of course, fully open to all comments! ninety: one 12:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
With much releuctence (because it indicates personal research) I've cut the following
- the official book containing appointments to the Stewardship (lodged in The National Archives under catalogue reference E 197/1 [1]) indicates that Patrick Chalmers, MP for Montrose Burghs, was appointed to this office on 6 April 1842. His replacement (Joseph Hume) was elected on the 16th April.
Which Stewardship is here being referred to? If Chalmers' applied for the Stewardship of the Chiltern Hundreds - then Sir George Henry Rose, as the article claims, may well have been the first MP to apply for the Northstead stewardship in order to resign his seat.
Ned of the Hills ( talk) 15:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
This has now been clarified - the log book says Chalmers' was appointed to the Northstead post - but when the writ was moved for the seat he vacated it was said he had taken the Chiltern post. Good research it would seem by Paul1337.
Ned of the Hills ( talk) 18:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
So, what does the stewardship pay? — Tamfang ( talk) 05:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Let's start a discussion on the infobox. I would say that the infobox should be there simply under WP:INFOBOX as it provided "A quick and convenient summary of the key facts". Even if the political post infobox was used, it still fulfilled the same purpose. The main objection appears to be claiming that it is not a political post. However the fact is that it can only be held by one person and is recognized by the government as a position but besides, that doesn't negate any reason for removing the infobox. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 12:24, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
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Gerry Adams has not accepted the position. The Speakers Office has stated he has not accepted the position. Exiledone ( talk) 18:20, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12292896
Gerry Adams has officially been appointed to the post according to an announcement by HM treasury on 26 January 2010. Regardless of whether or not he "accepted" the appointment, he now holds the post. Is the proper title: Baron of the Manor of Northstead, with the powers of Crown Steward, High Sheriff and Crown Steward and Bailiff of Manor of Northstead? As a position of profit to the crown - it carries elevation to the House of Lords, temporarily as a Baron (whether accepted or refused or not is not relevant, and although no longer the right to sit there). The question arises as Gerard Adams, being elevated to the House of Lords and not yet having been superceded by the next persons to the office could not have stood for TD in Louth at that time? The Irish Constitution prohibits MP's and Lords from holding elected offices in Leinster house; however the procedure to remove a peerage has been used for Anglo Irish peers to be allowed to leave the Lords to stand for office. Monkety ( talk) 23:34, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
There is no need to "accept" appointment to the Manor of Northstead, nor to apply for it in order too be granted. The grant of the office is a function performed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer and he has done so in order to give effect to Gerry Adam's resignation. There is no other mechanism by which an MP can resign (see the House of Commons Disqualification Act 1975). In any event, this is not relevant to a page on the manor of Northstead generally. Monkety ( talk) 23:49, 26 January 2011 (UTC) No other mechanism - there are other positions of profit in the Army to the crown, what about Chiltern Hundreds or Master of the Tower of London, just to bring up two that stand out - are you suggesting there are no other mechanism as these have to be formally applied for, resigned, or granted by the Crown, which may have caused problems?
This article has always mentioned who the current appointee is. However, recent events have made the wording of this much more contentious. I suggest we try to agree on a consensus version here before re-instating any mention of Adams in the article. To kick it off, I propose:
I am, of course, fully open to all comments! ninety: one 12:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
With much releuctence (because it indicates personal research) I've cut the following
- the official book containing appointments to the Stewardship (lodged in The National Archives under catalogue reference E 197/1 [1]) indicates that Patrick Chalmers, MP for Montrose Burghs, was appointed to this office on 6 April 1842. His replacement (Joseph Hume) was elected on the 16th April.
Which Stewardship is here being referred to? If Chalmers' applied for the Stewardship of the Chiltern Hundreds - then Sir George Henry Rose, as the article claims, may well have been the first MP to apply for the Northstead stewardship in order to resign his seat.
Ned of the Hills ( talk) 15:24, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
This has now been clarified - the log book says Chalmers' was appointed to the Northstead post - but when the writ was moved for the seat he vacated it was said he had taken the Chiltern post. Good research it would seem by Paul1337.
Ned of the Hills ( talk) 18:57, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
So, what does the stewardship pay? — Tamfang ( talk) 05:13, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Let's start a discussion on the infobox. I would say that the infobox should be there simply under WP:INFOBOX as it provided "A quick and convenient summary of the key facts". Even if the political post infobox was used, it still fulfilled the same purpose. The main objection appears to be claiming that it is not a political post. However the fact is that it can only be held by one person and is recognized by the government as a position but besides, that doesn't negate any reason for removing the infobox. The C of E God Save the Queen! ( talk) 12:24, 7 April 2013 (UTC)