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I just added some information about the early Manics philosophy of sellout as freedom. Please dont take this the wrong way, I am not doubting the Manics sincerity or calling them sellouts in that bullshit, punk rock fashion that is by now little more than a tired music press cliche. All I am trying to say is that by basically flying in the face of what was around at the time (the grunge/indie anti-success ethic etc.) the Manics both made it harder for themselves willingly and also that they one of the few (if not only) visible bands around at the time that were doing something new and unique to them.
"I Know I Believe In Nothing But It Is My Nothing" - Richey James Edwards. Motown Junkie 10:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Alright, we have enough unsourced material as is, but a lot of new editors (while acting in good faith) continue to pile upon material that is not sourced, including some comments about the early era. We seriously need sources to make this a genuine encyclopedia article. Also, one user has added the 10th anniversary editions to the discography and deleted things he may not deem worthy (like the awards), which is not acting in good faith. For the anniversary editions, just add them to the original edition of said albums (which has already been done). Again, sorry to make a big deal about this but this article definitely needs work. -- TLIP 23:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I deleted the awards and links section by mistake. Many thanks for putting them back (very quickly!). - lonelywreckage
I contributed the info from an interview with Delirium that the album title would 'possibly' be 'Send Away The Tigers' and its been deleted, as was the Nicky telling Jupitus that they hoped to do a duet with Nina from the Cardigans. I wasn't making any of that up, yet its been edited out. I even quoted the sources for christs sake. In future I won't bother trying to help frankly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.118.45 ( talk • contribs) 14:05, 16 November 2006
I have this along with The Doors as my next priority for GA. Dunno which I'll start on first.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Cool. I would like to see this become an encyclopaedic article, but there are far too many irrelevant details in there. My biggest bug is there are alot of things in there that have happened recently, which aren't at all important, in the scheme of things. Ade1982 ( talk) 20:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
The introduction needs to be a brief run down of who they are and of their history. only the basic and major events. no details. The rest of it needs editing or a complete re-write. Needs sources too if it's gonna ever be a FA. Person642 ( talk) 23:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Gig was held at Manchester Central, amongst others.
Also perhaps worth mentioning the band supported the Foos a couple of weeks back? Worley-d ( talk) 23:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
HOW ABOUT NO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.90.237 ( talk) 23:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
In the info box Britpop is listed under genres. It's certainly not a genre I would associate with The Manics - can we take it out?
Wikipedia's own Britpop entry describes it as:
"Britpop emerged from the indie scene of the early 1990s and was characterised by bands influenced by British guitar pop music of the 1960s and 1970s. The movement developed as a reaction against various musical and cultural trends in the late 1980s and early 1990s, particularly the grunge phenomenon from the United States. In the wake of the grunge invasion led by bands like Nirvana, many bands positioned themselves as opposing musical forces, referencing British guitar music of the past and writing about uniquely British topics and concerns."
I don't think that refelcts The Manics body of work - even that produced during the "Britpop era".
-- Mike Infinitum 22:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I think Britpop is a fair label for post the richie era, although to say that the Manics were reacting to Grunge is wrong, as the band were fans Nirvana, Hole etc. (Can get soruces if anyone wants) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.108.23 ( talk) 10:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Can somebody please update the article with the following information from the link below, as it contains confirmation of the both the album title and the release date. I would do it myself but I do not know how to source information when editing a Wiki article. Many thanks: http://www.the-fly.co.uk/words/news/top-news-stories/4363/new-manics-album —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.28.0 ( talk) 20:36, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Never mind, I have now worked out how to reference information when adding new info to an article. Thanks anyway folks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.71.7 ( talk) 02:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
There is some news reported in a number of sources about how the Journal For Plague Lovers album cover is being hidden by some of the major supermarkets. [1] [2] [3] One problem is that these two sources cite different reasons for hiding the cover. The Guardian and The BBC, report that the objection is about the use of a painting of a boy's face apparently splattered with blood, whereas The Telegraph says that the objection is about objects to its use of a portrait of a child with a birthmark. I am not sure how to word it, and how to introduce it. Should it just be a new paragraph in the section on this album, or should it be in a more separate "Controversy about album cover" section. Kuitan ( talk) 21:31, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
This article reads more like a feature from NME than an encyclopedic entry, with POV and hyperbole all over the place, (all of which, to make matters worse, and as mentioned above, is unsourced). Here are some examples of what I'm talking about:
At early gigs they were bottled and heckled from beginning to end. Bradfield and Wire hurled abuse at their audiences and tear through short sets similar to those of The Ramones famous "Twenty minutes of energy" gigs, a display of an odd punk rock style band/audience interaction that had been unheard of since the infamous riotous early gigs of Scotland's The Jesus and Mary Chain a few years earlier.
Specifically: "hurled", "tear", "odd", "unheard of", "infamous", "riotous"
Their first single for the label - Motown Junk (released on January 21, 1991) - showcased their iconoclastic ("I laughed when Lennon got shot") punk/metal influenced rock n' roll. The song also displayed their huge cultural scope with a Public Enemy-sampling intro and an outro sample of The Skids.
Specifically: "iconoclastic", "huge cultural scope".
In a now legendary interview with then New Musical Express journalist Steve Lamacq - a man known for despising anything he sees as hype or contrivance...
Specifically: "legendary", "despising".
The group's next album, The Holy Bible, released on August, regained their critical acclaim but sold extremely poorly. In fact it sold fewer copies than the previous albums and was not released at all in America, though an American mix of the album was in the can (and was released in Canada - it would later resurface as part of a 10th anniversary edition of the record). Despite this it is regarded by many as the band's magnum opus and is often voted onto lists of all time great albums.
Specifically: "extremely", "in fact", "in the can", "magnum opus".
etc. etc. throughout the whole article.
I'm not disputing the factuality of any of this information, just the way in which it is presented. Firstly, is is not sourced, and secondly, this is an encyclopedia, not a biography or a fan mag, so it needs to be toned down to something more NPOV.
Straussian ( talk) 13:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with all of this and I'm currently stripping the article down on my computer. I will try and get a version up soon so people can have a look and crit before it goes over the current one. For example James Dean Bradfield does not play bass etc on the Massive Attack song, he remixed it. Darkanddivine —Preceding comment was added at 22:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah sorry I know about the remix, the original article suggested he played bass on the actual song rathar than the remix. Still working on a more factual re-write as I don't have much time. It is split into era's based on album, and shortened with later details stripped down significantly. Darkanddivine —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC).
Unregistered user.
I found the eccess use of brakctes to be quite distracting. examples:
Politically, the Manics appear as a socialist group — a stance inflected by their working class upbringing in Blackwood, Caerphilly, South Wales (they grew up during the miners' strike of the 1980s) as evidenced by their often highly politicised lyrics and actions (they once dedicated an award to Arthur Scargill, leader of the National Union of Mineworkers and later the Socialist Labour Party). The band also played a highly publicised gig in Cuba as guests of President Fidel Castro [1].
Although it gives a reason for their socialist leanings, I dont think it is necisary. The bit about Arthur Scargil dosnt seem apropriate. Firstly, as an apropriate example and Secondly it is extra info that isn't really needed. Politics could be dealt with later on.
The cover was highly reminiscent of The Clash's first album (simply titled The Clash)
No need to give the name of another bands album. If it's needed though, maybe rearange the sentence to say "self titled album".
In 2001 they became the first popular western rock band to play in Cuba, (at the Karl Marx Theater) and met with president Fidel Castro.
Could be incorperated into the sentence or erased completely.
The greatest hits (plus remixes) album Forever Delayed was released in...
The fact that some remixes were used is not relivant here. It would need mentioning only when going into some detail about the album. Or, again, incorperate it into the setence.
single as well as album (entitled The Great Western) were released in...
use commas instead?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.146.127 ( talk) 19:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Is this chap really notable enough to warrant his own article? There's really nothing there that can't be merged into the "Early years" section of the Manics article. PC78 14:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, same situation with Jenny Watkins-Isnardi. Is there really anything to say about her that can't be said in the main article? PC78 16:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I think more info should be accessible about Flicker and Jenny Watkins-Isnardi, as at one point both have been influential in the band girlwhowantedtobegod
But now we've got Jenny Watkins-Isnardi redirecting to here, and no mention of her. Who was she? Rojomoke ( talk) 08:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
There is A LOT of junk in this article and far too many unsubstantiated claims. This is suppose to be a wiki article, NOT a fan bio.
It needs seriously cleaning up. I've started to remove some of it but it needs a real good clear up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobsdad ( talk • contribs) 12:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Theres a band called The Manics, but "the manics" is redirected here, can someone who knows how to do it cancel that redirect or whatever? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.160.134.157 ( talk) 23:03, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
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The section about the next album was a direct lift - in it's entirety - from an NME article. This is copyright violation, and is poor writing. pomegranate ( talk) 22:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Nicky Wire isn't in the picture. Shouldn't it be fixed, since he's a core member of the group? RicheylovesJDB ( talk) 01:29, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
4( )st 7( )lb(s): What is the correct title and should it be all the same? -- Diwas ( talk) 22:53, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
obviously this is all open to discussion. there is also some code below the 'Awards' section, which I don't know how to get rid of. Lachlan Foley ( talk) 23:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
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The band seems to consider him still a part of the band. They keep his spot empty and say his royalties go into a separate account for him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.206.240.169 ( talk • contribs)
Since Wales is not an independent country, and many people do not even know where it is, I think that we should state that MSP are a British band from the United Kingdom. I going to modify this. Larry.europe ( talk) 23:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Any source for this? The current link is dead. This article states 17 and Edwards' article states 18. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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I just added some information about the early Manics philosophy of sellout as freedom. Please dont take this the wrong way, I am not doubting the Manics sincerity or calling them sellouts in that bullshit, punk rock fashion that is by now little more than a tired music press cliche. All I am trying to say is that by basically flying in the face of what was around at the time (the grunge/indie anti-success ethic etc.) the Manics both made it harder for themselves willingly and also that they one of the few (if not only) visible bands around at the time that were doing something new and unique to them.
"I Know I Believe In Nothing But It Is My Nothing" - Richey James Edwards. Motown Junkie 10:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Alright, we have enough unsourced material as is, but a lot of new editors (while acting in good faith) continue to pile upon material that is not sourced, including some comments about the early era. We seriously need sources to make this a genuine encyclopedia article. Also, one user has added the 10th anniversary editions to the discography and deleted things he may not deem worthy (like the awards), which is not acting in good faith. For the anniversary editions, just add them to the original edition of said albums (which has already been done). Again, sorry to make a big deal about this but this article definitely needs work. -- TLIP 23:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I deleted the awards and links section by mistake. Many thanks for putting them back (very quickly!). - lonelywreckage
I contributed the info from an interview with Delirium that the album title would 'possibly' be 'Send Away The Tigers' and its been deleted, as was the Nicky telling Jupitus that they hoped to do a duet with Nina from the Cardigans. I wasn't making any of that up, yet its been edited out. I even quoted the sources for christs sake. In future I won't bother trying to help frankly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.118.45 ( talk • contribs) 14:05, 16 November 2006
I have this along with The Doors as my next priority for GA. Dunno which I'll start on first.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:10, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Cool. I would like to see this become an encyclopaedic article, but there are far too many irrelevant details in there. My biggest bug is there are alot of things in there that have happened recently, which aren't at all important, in the scheme of things. Ade1982 ( talk) 20:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
The introduction needs to be a brief run down of who they are and of their history. only the basic and major events. no details. The rest of it needs editing or a complete re-write. Needs sources too if it's gonna ever be a FA. Person642 ( talk) 23:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Gig was held at Manchester Central, amongst others.
Also perhaps worth mentioning the band supported the Foos a couple of weeks back? Worley-d ( talk) 23:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
HOW ABOUT NO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.90.237 ( talk) 23:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
In the info box Britpop is listed under genres. It's certainly not a genre I would associate with The Manics - can we take it out?
Wikipedia's own Britpop entry describes it as:
"Britpop emerged from the indie scene of the early 1990s and was characterised by bands influenced by British guitar pop music of the 1960s and 1970s. The movement developed as a reaction against various musical and cultural trends in the late 1980s and early 1990s, particularly the grunge phenomenon from the United States. In the wake of the grunge invasion led by bands like Nirvana, many bands positioned themselves as opposing musical forces, referencing British guitar music of the past and writing about uniquely British topics and concerns."
I don't think that refelcts The Manics body of work - even that produced during the "Britpop era".
-- Mike Infinitum 22:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I think Britpop is a fair label for post the richie era, although to say that the Manics were reacting to Grunge is wrong, as the band were fans Nirvana, Hole etc. (Can get soruces if anyone wants) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.108.23 ( talk) 10:45, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Can somebody please update the article with the following information from the link below, as it contains confirmation of the both the album title and the release date. I would do it myself but I do not know how to source information when editing a Wiki article. Many thanks: http://www.the-fly.co.uk/words/news/top-news-stories/4363/new-manics-album —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.28.0 ( talk) 20:36, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
EDIT: Never mind, I have now worked out how to reference information when adding new info to an article. Thanks anyway folks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.71.7 ( talk) 02:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
There is some news reported in a number of sources about how the Journal For Plague Lovers album cover is being hidden by some of the major supermarkets. [1] [2] [3] One problem is that these two sources cite different reasons for hiding the cover. The Guardian and The BBC, report that the objection is about the use of a painting of a boy's face apparently splattered with blood, whereas The Telegraph says that the objection is about objects to its use of a portrait of a child with a birthmark. I am not sure how to word it, and how to introduce it. Should it just be a new paragraph in the section on this album, or should it be in a more separate "Controversy about album cover" section. Kuitan ( talk) 21:31, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
This article reads more like a feature from NME than an encyclopedic entry, with POV and hyperbole all over the place, (all of which, to make matters worse, and as mentioned above, is unsourced). Here are some examples of what I'm talking about:
At early gigs they were bottled and heckled from beginning to end. Bradfield and Wire hurled abuse at their audiences and tear through short sets similar to those of The Ramones famous "Twenty minutes of energy" gigs, a display of an odd punk rock style band/audience interaction that had been unheard of since the infamous riotous early gigs of Scotland's The Jesus and Mary Chain a few years earlier.
Specifically: "hurled", "tear", "odd", "unheard of", "infamous", "riotous"
Their first single for the label - Motown Junk (released on January 21, 1991) - showcased their iconoclastic ("I laughed when Lennon got shot") punk/metal influenced rock n' roll. The song also displayed their huge cultural scope with a Public Enemy-sampling intro and an outro sample of The Skids.
Specifically: "iconoclastic", "huge cultural scope".
In a now legendary interview with then New Musical Express journalist Steve Lamacq - a man known for despising anything he sees as hype or contrivance...
Specifically: "legendary", "despising".
The group's next album, The Holy Bible, released on August, regained their critical acclaim but sold extremely poorly. In fact it sold fewer copies than the previous albums and was not released at all in America, though an American mix of the album was in the can (and was released in Canada - it would later resurface as part of a 10th anniversary edition of the record). Despite this it is regarded by many as the band's magnum opus and is often voted onto lists of all time great albums.
Specifically: "extremely", "in fact", "in the can", "magnum opus".
etc. etc. throughout the whole article.
I'm not disputing the factuality of any of this information, just the way in which it is presented. Firstly, is is not sourced, and secondly, this is an encyclopedia, not a biography or a fan mag, so it needs to be toned down to something more NPOV.
Straussian ( talk) 13:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree with all of this and I'm currently stripping the article down on my computer. I will try and get a version up soon so people can have a look and crit before it goes over the current one. For example James Dean Bradfield does not play bass etc on the Massive Attack song, he remixed it. Darkanddivine —Preceding comment was added at 22:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah sorry I know about the remix, the original article suggested he played bass on the actual song rathar than the remix. Still working on a more factual re-write as I don't have much time. It is split into era's based on album, and shortened with later details stripped down significantly. Darkanddivine —Preceding undated comment was added at 23:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC).
Unregistered user.
I found the eccess use of brakctes to be quite distracting. examples:
Politically, the Manics appear as a socialist group — a stance inflected by their working class upbringing in Blackwood, Caerphilly, South Wales (they grew up during the miners' strike of the 1980s) as evidenced by their often highly politicised lyrics and actions (they once dedicated an award to Arthur Scargill, leader of the National Union of Mineworkers and later the Socialist Labour Party). The band also played a highly publicised gig in Cuba as guests of President Fidel Castro [1].
Although it gives a reason for their socialist leanings, I dont think it is necisary. The bit about Arthur Scargil dosnt seem apropriate. Firstly, as an apropriate example and Secondly it is extra info that isn't really needed. Politics could be dealt with later on.
The cover was highly reminiscent of The Clash's first album (simply titled The Clash)
No need to give the name of another bands album. If it's needed though, maybe rearange the sentence to say "self titled album".
In 2001 they became the first popular western rock band to play in Cuba, (at the Karl Marx Theater) and met with president Fidel Castro.
Could be incorperated into the sentence or erased completely.
The greatest hits (plus remixes) album Forever Delayed was released in...
The fact that some remixes were used is not relivant here. It would need mentioning only when going into some detail about the album. Or, again, incorperate it into the setence.
single as well as album (entitled The Great Western) were released in...
use commas instead?
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.128.146.127 ( talk) 19:48, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Is this chap really notable enough to warrant his own article? There's really nothing there that can't be merged into the "Early years" section of the Manics article. PC78 14:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
OK, same situation with Jenny Watkins-Isnardi. Is there really anything to say about her that can't be said in the main article? PC78 16:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I think more info should be accessible about Flicker and Jenny Watkins-Isnardi, as at one point both have been influential in the band girlwhowantedtobegod
But now we've got Jenny Watkins-Isnardi redirecting to here, and no mention of her. Who was she? Rojomoke ( talk) 08:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
There is A LOT of junk in this article and far too many unsubstantiated claims. This is suppose to be a wiki article, NOT a fan bio.
It needs seriously cleaning up. I've started to remove some of it but it needs a real good clear up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobsdad ( talk • contribs) 12:11, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Theres a band called The Manics, but "the manics" is redirected here, can someone who knows how to do it cancel that redirect or whatever? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.160.134.157 ( talk) 23:03, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
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The section about the next album was a direct lift - in it's entirety - from an NME article. This is copyright violation, and is poor writing. pomegranate ( talk) 22:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Nicky Wire isn't in the picture. Shouldn't it be fixed, since he's a core member of the group? RicheylovesJDB ( talk) 01:29, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
4( )st 7( )lb(s): What is the correct title and should it be all the same? -- Diwas ( talk) 22:53, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
obviously this is all open to discussion. there is also some code below the 'Awards' section, which I don't know how to get rid of. Lachlan Foley ( talk) 23:25, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
The lead section should briefly summarize the most important points covered in an article in such a way that it can stand on its own as a concise version of the article.A lede serves to convey enough information that a reader doesn't need to read the whole article if they do not desire further depth.
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The band seems to consider him still a part of the band. They keep his spot empty and say his royalties go into a separate account for him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.206.240.169 ( talk • contribs)
Since Wales is not an independent country, and many people do not even know where it is, I think that we should state that MSP are a British band from the United Kingdom. I going to modify this. Larry.europe ( talk) 23:40, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Any source for this? The current link is dead. This article states 17 and Edwards' article states 18. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 11:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
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I've added this tag, as, although this is referenced, the source is a book about the MSP and not a medical text so cannot be a primary source. As the cited book is not available freely, a possible primary source is not available to add. Suggested phrasing: "The song was named after 4 stones 7 pounds, or 63 pounds (29 kg), because Edwards had heard that that is the weight below which death is said to be medically unavoidable for an anorectic." Genericist ( talk) 14:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)